UK Gov In Turmoil & Bexit Mess.
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PM aims to push Brexit bill through in three days
The government has published its 110-page bill to turn Boris Johnson's Brexit deal into law.
No 10 will ask MPs on Tuesday to approve its proposals for three days of intensive debate over the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB).
The PM urged MPs to back the schedule, saying: "The public doesn't want any more delays, neither do other European leaders and neither do I."
But opposition MPs said there would not be enough time to scrutinise the bill.
Repeating his calls for MPs to "get Brexit done", Mr Johnson said his deal allowed the UK to leave the EU "without disruption" and provide a "framework for a new relationship based on free trade and friendly cooperation".
"We are leaving the European Union but we will always be European," he said.
'I hope Parliament today votes to take back control for itself and the British people and the country can start to focus on the cost of living, the NHS, and conserving our environment."
Leader of the Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg said that if MPs did not back the intensive timetable it could result in the UK missing the government's 31 October Brexit deadline.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50132790
The government has published its 110-page bill to turn Boris Johnson's Brexit deal into law.
No 10 will ask MPs on Tuesday to approve its proposals for three days of intensive debate over the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB).
The PM urged MPs to back the schedule, saying: "The public doesn't want any more delays, neither do other European leaders and neither do I."
But opposition MPs said there would not be enough time to scrutinise the bill.
Repeating his calls for MPs to "get Brexit done", Mr Johnson said his deal allowed the UK to leave the EU "without disruption" and provide a "framework for a new relationship based on free trade and friendly cooperation".
"We are leaving the European Union but we will always be European," he said.
'I hope Parliament today votes to take back control for itself and the British people and the country can start to focus on the cost of living, the NHS, and conserving our environment."
Leader of the Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg said that if MPs did not back the intensive timetable it could result in the UK missing the government's 31 October Brexit deadline.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50132790
Bercow said that he wouldn't allow a vote because Parliament had already voted on a similar motion and some arcane rule prevents the same question being put twice.
In which case, can we also expect him to stop MPs putting forward amendments calling for a second referendum and continued membership of the customs union — both of which have already been rejected?
Don't hold your breath...
The Man From Del Monte says b******s to Brexit: RICHARD LITTLEJOHN watches gurning gargoyle John Bercow block Boris Johnson's deal
By Richard Littlejohn for the Daily Mail
22 Oct 2019
To nobody's great surprise, up popped that gurning gargoyle Bercow yesterday to stymie, yet again, the latest attempt to get Brexit through the Commons.
In the name of 'democratic accountability', Mr Speaker prevented Boris Johnson's departure deal being put to a vote.
You couldn't make it up.
Frankly, it doesn't matter what excuse he fell back on this time. Bercow has bent every rule in the book to help Remainers scupper the result of the 2016 referendum.
He's like The Man From Del Monte in reverse. Readers who recall this famous TV advertising campaign from the Eighties and Nineties will know exactly what I'm getting at.
It featured a colonial fruit and vegetable buyer for a canned goods company. Kitted out in a fedora and Our Man In Havana white suit, he would be wafted to remote tropical farming districts in pursuit of the purest produce.
Nervous locals who'd spent months toiling in the fields would await the arrival of his seaplane, or chauffeur-driven limo.
After ceremoniously squeezing oranges, dissecting pineapples and sampling freshly picked tomatoes, The Man From Del Monte would pass judgment.
A thumbs down meant financial ruin, a thumbs up prosperity. Eventually, a farmer with a Viva Zapata moustache and a dodgy, Mind Your Language accent would declare, to rapturous relief:
'The Man From Del Monte, he say YES!'
If they ever revive the campaign, Bercow would be perfect for the part.
The problem would be getting him to stick to the script. Because when it comes to Brexit, The Man From Del Monte, he always say NO! It doesn't matter what ministers lay before the House, the Speaker takes a perverse delight in obstructing all attempts to take Britain out of the EU.
He was never going to permit Boris's deal to be put to a vote of MPs — especially once it became apparent that the Government might just have cobbled together enough support to get it passed.
Scaling new heights of pomposity and self-justification, Bercow blew the Government's Brexit timetable out of the water.
It's largely irrelevant which reason he plucked out of thin air. If it hadn't have been this one, it would have been another.
But bear with me for a moment. Bercow said that he wouldn't allow a vote because Parliament had already voted on a similar motion and some arcane rule prevents the same question being put twice.
In which case, can we also expect him to stop MPs putting forward amendments calling for a second referendum and continued membership of the customs union — both of which have already been rejected?
Don't hold your breath.
What really sticks in the craw is the repeated bleating of Bercow and his fellow diehard Remainers that democratic accountability demands Brexit is subject to Parliamentary scrutiny.
Don't make me laugh.
This rotten, cynical Parliament has shown nothing but contempt for democracy. Having promised to respect the referendum result, the majority of MPs have strained every sinew to overturn it.
The only reason they are insisting on Parliamentary scrutiny is because that's the best way of preventing Brexit ever happening.
I don't want to depress you, but we could be in for another three years of this. Because of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, there needn't be another General Election until the summer of 2022.
Labour isn't going to back an election it would inevitably lose. The only way an election could be triggered is if the Government is defeated in a vote of confidence.
But the Opposition refuses to move one.
I suppose Boris could always hold a vote of confidence in himself in the hope that he'd lose, thus freeing him to go to the country. But he doesn't even have the numbers to get that through the House.
Despite agitating for a 'People's Vote', a 'confirmatory vote', the Opposition is scared stiff of letting the people decide.
Among those demanding a People's Vote are a couple of dozen MPs who have resigned from the Tory and Labour parties recently and either joined the Lib Dems, set up Change UK, or are sitting as independents.
Chucky Umunna is on his third party in the past few months.
Not a single one of them has had the decency to offer themselves back to their constituents in a 'confirmatory' by-election, even though they now represent a different political party.
So I think we can take whatever they say about a People's Vote with a shovel of Himalayan rock salt.
To be honest, I had hoped that after I'd taken a week's holiday, I would come back to find MPs had seen sense and embraced Boris's deal on Saturday.
Not that I think it is worth the paper it's written on. It's Theresa May's dismal, defeatist 'deal' on Botox — a pig in lipstick. The triumphalism we are seeing is some quarters is misplaced wishful thinking.
But it's probably the best we can expect in the circumstances. If it gets through, we might, just might, be able to pick the bones out of it later.
Having said they didn't want to leave without a deal, however, MPs then threw it out. Go figure.
What happens next? As I've written before, anyone who claims to know is a liar.
The public mood has moved beyond exasperation. I've never known such despair at the antics of the political class, the courts, the pro-Remain media.
Instead of action, honesty and plain speaking, all we get is self-indulgent waffle about the 'Benn Act', the 'Letwin Law', blah, blah . . .
They might as well call it the Bill And Ben Act, as the political class are all talking Flowerpot Man.
Flob-a-Dob, Flob-a-Dob, Flob-a-Dob.
And coming up after the break, it's Soubry Loo.
Weeeee-eeeeed!
Whether there will be a backlash if and when we are eventually allowed a General Election remains to be seen. The politicians will drag this out as long as they can, in the hope that we'll all get so bored we'll forget about it.
And at the centre of it all struts Mr Speaker himself, a preening popinjay in love with the magnificence of his own verbosity.
He's been described as the most powerful man in Britain, since staging a coup which empowered Parliament to neuter the Prime Minister and remove the Government's ability to govern.
Yet Parliament has seized power without accepting responsibility. It's what Kipling called the prerogative of the harlot through the ages.
Welcome to our very own Parliament of Whores.
But who, precisely, voted for that? To whom is Bercow accountable? Certainly not the electorate. Convention dictated that he was returned to Westminster unopposed.
In turn, he is supposed to remain unimpeachably impartial.
Yet Bercow ripped up his end of that bargain. Even his own deputy now says he is blatantly biased in favour of Remain.
And despite the fact that he was foisted on the Tories by Labour as a kind of practical joke at the end of the Brown years, the incoming Cameron government decided not to remove him.
Another triumph for Call Me Dave.
Bercow is due to retire at the end of this month. But I wouldn't put money on it. He's already broken his word on standing down once before.
My guess is that he won't give up the chair until Brexit is dead and buried, even if that takes another couple of years.
All we can do is watch impotently, while Bercow and his Remainer allies trash democracy before our very eyes.
The only thing we can be sure of is that when it comes to Brexit, The Man From Del Monte, he say B@££&%#$!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...le-John-Bercow-block-Boris-Johnsons-deal.html
The Remainers told us that the EU has no plans for an army (it has), that a vote for Brexit would cause an immediate economic downturn (it didn't), thousands of job losses (employment is at its highest ever) and that Brexit will cause WWIII (it won't).
I wonder how many gullible folk voted Remain on the basis of those lies.
Leave Lies? Remainers Need To Look In The Mirror
The Huffington Post
Matthew Ellery
Programmes Officer at The Housing & Finance Institute
27th September 2017
Recently, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker blamed the Brexit vote on 40 years of lies and the lies of 'Leave' campaigners. Juncker is correct in one sense, there were many lies during the EU Referendum campaign. However, these lies were from the 'Remain' side. The so-called lies from Leavers are a figment of the federalists' imagination.
The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.
In reality the lies came from the 'Remain' campaign.
European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As I am sitting here writing this article, and as you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.
David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.
George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.
Despite Anna Soubry's claim to the contrary on a recent Question Time appearance, Remainers did suggest there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date, in fact the OECD now believes the UK economy will grow 1.8% this year, up 0.1% on its pre-referendum estimate. Even Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. Lie number four.
3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs was the fictitious figure banded about. However, in July the claimant count fell by 8,600 to 763,600, despite an expected rise of 9,500. Another lie.
"A dangerous fantasy" is how then Deputy PM Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper.
We were told companies would leave the UK in their droves, especially in the car industry. There is no sign of this, and UK car manufacturing achieving its 12th successive month of growth in July, with production passing one million units in seven months for the first time in 12 years. Lie number 7.
David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.
The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.
Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place. Lie number 10.
This is 10 of many lies spouted by the 'Remain' campaign during the EU referendum. It is about time us Brexiteers challenged this ridiculous narrative of leave lies and remain truths. We voted 'Leave' for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we Get Britain Out of the EU, the better.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matt...BpgtHWiYryv5-X0zZeAs712_kfSDQXXcy7veWNU-vR62q
The Huffington Post
Matthew Ellery
Programmes Officer at The Housing & Finance Institute
27th September 2017
Recently, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker blamed the Brexit vote on 40 years of lies and the lies of 'Leave' campaigners. Juncker is correct in one sense, there were many lies during the EU Referendum campaign. However, these lies were from the 'Remain' side. The so-called lies from Leavers are a figment of the federalists' imagination.
The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from 'Remain' campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words 'gross' and 'net' as well as the difference between the words 'could' and 'will'.
In reality the lies came from the 'Remain' campaign.
European Council President Donald Tusk, said western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'. As I am sitting here writing this article, and as you are currently reading this, it is safe to say western political civilisation has not ended. Therefore, we must conclude this was a 'Remain' lie.
David Cameron implied in a speech about the "serried rows of white headstones" that World War 3 would be upon us if Brexit occurred. The last time I checked the UK had not invaded Poland or any other country, and therefore we must conclude this was a lie.
George Osborne predicted tax rises and spending cuts would be implemented. To date, no changes to the planned tax rates or public spending have been implemented. So, another lie, and thankfully after his sacking Osborne is no longer in a position create his 'punishment budget'.
Despite Anna Soubry's claim to the contrary on a recent Question Time appearance, Remainers did suggest there would be an immediate Brexit recession. No recession to date, in fact the OECD now believes the UK economy will grow 1.8% this year, up 0.1% on its pre-referendum estimate. Even Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England, now admits he is "quietly optimistic" about Brexit. Lie number four.
3 million people in the UK will lose their jobs was the fictitious figure banded about. However, in July the claimant count fell by 8,600 to 763,600, despite an expected rise of 9,500. Another lie.
"A dangerous fantasy" is how then Deputy PM Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army. I'm looking forward to Nick Clegg's next apology video like the one he made after his last whopper.
We were told companies would leave the UK in their droves, especially in the car industry. There is no sign of this, and UK car manufacturing achieving its 12th successive month of growth in July, with production passing one million units in seven months for the first time in 12 years. Lie number 7.
David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote. Enough said.
The former Prime Minister also tried to claim the UK could manage its immigration policy while inside the EU. Why are 'Remain' campaigners insisting we start to control immigration in any Brexit deal then? Because we cannot control EU immigration now, proving Cameron was lying.
Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place. Lie number 10.
This is 10 of many lies spouted by the 'Remain' campaign during the EU referendum. It is about time us Brexiteers challenged this ridiculous narrative of leave lies and remain truths. We voted 'Leave' for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we Get Britain Out of the EU, the better.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matt...BpgtHWiYryv5-X0zZeAs712_kfSDQXXcy7veWNU-vR62q
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Boris Johnson publishes his Brexit Withdrawal Bill: PM unveils 110-page 'declaration of independence' (with 124 pages of explanatory notes) just hours before MPs start to debate it - as he bids to push it through Parliament in THREE DAYS
The Prime Minister wants to pass his Brexit deal through the Commons in just three days as he attempts to avoid another delay to Britain's departure from the EU by October 31. Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg told MPs debate on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB) would start on Tuesday with ministers hoping to get it through all its Commons stages by Thursday. Under the provisions of the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act (CRAG), an international treaty - such as the Brexit deal - must be laid before Parliament for at least 21 sitting days before ratification to take place
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-110-page-document-just-hours-MPs-debate.html
The Prime Minister wants to pass his Brexit deal through the Commons in just three days as he attempts to avoid another delay to Britain's departure from the EU by October 31. Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg told MPs debate on the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB) would start on Tuesday with ministers hoping to get it through all its Commons stages by Thursday. Under the provisions of the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act (CRAG), an international treaty - such as the Brexit deal - must be laid before Parliament for at least 21 sitting days before ratification to take place
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-110-page-document-just-hours-MPs-debate.html
Parliament denies Boris Johnson support for fast-tracked Brexit deal, making it unlikely that Britain will leave E.U. by Oct. 31
The vote was a major political defeat for the prime minister.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1
Funny how they can unconstitutionally and undemocratically fast-track anti-Brexit legislation like the Benn Act but can't find the wherewithal to fast-track the Withdrawal Agreement.
The vast majority of those 84% of MPs who were elected on mandates to deliver Brexit are just oblivious to the severe punishment that votes will dish out to them in the next election. They just can't see it.
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Why? We'll only vote to leave again.
What would be simpler is if MPs actually respected the result of the referendum instead of acting like overgrown children just because most don't like the result.
Still, the upside is that most of them will be having to take trips down to their local labour exchange very soon - an it'll be entirely deserved.
If I spent three years ****ing up a job and not doing as I was ordered to do I'd be fired. Hundreds of MPs will soon be fired for the same thing.
Remainer MPs seem to have forgotten that, sooner or later, they will have to face their constituents and that because most constituents are Leave supporting there's going to be a lot of bloodshed. They just don't seem to have realised it yet.
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are you sure???? That another referendum would yield the results you think they would??
I think Leave would win by an even greater margin.
And what makes YOU so sure that a second referendum in which we vote Remain would be the end of the matter? Brexiteers might then force a third one, just like they forced the first.
Anyway, there's not going to be a second referendum. Not only would it be undemocratic (obviously) but the Commons has already voted against such a thing earlier this year and as Speaker Bercow reminded us yesterday he doesn't like the Commons to vote on the same thing more than once.
There won't be a second referendum. There's just going to be Brexit.