UK Gov In Turmoil & Bexit Mess.

[Blackleaf]

Boris Johnson 'will dare the Queen to SACK him': Her Majesty puts on a brave face after PM dragged her further into Brexit crisis with vow to 'refuse to leave No 10' if MPs try to oust him and delay EU exit

Boris Johnson (left following his appearance at the House of Commons on Thursday) is prepared to spark a major constitutional crisis drawing the Queen into the heart of politics in order to get Brexit done by the end of the month. The Prime Minister is said to be prepared to 'squat' in Downing Street and dare the monarch to fire him if MPs topple his administration in a confidence vote and seek to delay the UK's exit from the EU. It comes as the Queen was today pictured looking glum at Balmoral (centre), as she attended a church service in Crathie Kirk (right). Under a backbench law passed last month Mr Johnson has to seek a three-month Brexit delay if there is no deal by October 19, and opposition parties are planning to try to topple his administration. The 93-year-old monarch is set to be drawn into the heart of the debate, despite the fact that she has previously worked hard to remain separated from frontline politics. Under a backbench law passed last month Mr Johnson has to seek a three-month Brexit delay if there is no deal by October 19, and opposition parties are planning to try to topple his administration. A senior source today said that 'unless the police turn up at the doors of 10 Downing Street with a warrant for the prime minister's arrest, he won't be leaving.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ACK-SQUATTING-Downing-Street-Brexit-done.html

 

[Curious Cdn]

Well, if Boris government falls to a non-confidence motion, she can always ask Jeremy Corbin to form a government.

 

[Blackleaf]

Well, if Boris government falls to a non-confidence motion, she can always ask Jeremy Corbin to form a government.

Or she could order a General Election - you know, the democratic thing, rather than foisting an unelected government on us consisting of a party led by the most unpopular Opposition leader of all time who have just fallen further behind the Tories in the polls. A General Election that Boris would win.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Or she could order a General Election - you know, the democratic thing, rather than foisting an unelected government on us consisting of a party led by the most unpopular Opposition leader of all time who have just fallen further behind the Tories in the polls. A General Election that Boris would win.

If he calls an election, the Queen has difficulty handing the government over to Labour.

 

[Blackleaf]

If he calls an election, the Queen has difficulty handing the government over to Labour.

The Queen shouldn't be handing the Government over to Labour. They wouldn't have been elected. It would be an unelected government.

Do you know how democracy works?

If there's a Vote of No Confidence against the Government, then either Boris or the Queen should call a General Election - one that Boris would win.

 

[Curious Cdn]

The Queen shouldn't be handing the Government over to Labour. They wouldn't have been elected. It would be an unelected government.
Do you know how democracy works?
If there's a Vote of No Confidence against the Government, then either Boris or the Queen should call a General Election - one that Boris would win.

The Queen can ask anyone she wants to form a government.

Do you know how constitutional monarchy works?

 

[Blackleaf]

The Queen can ask anyone she wants to form a government.

Do you know how constitutional monarchy works?

She could do but she has never done so and will never do so because it would be undemocratic and cause a constitutional crisis.

 

[Serryah]

She could do but she has never done so and will never do so because it would be undemocratic and cause a constitutional crisis.

And BoJo threatening not to leave 10 isn't a constitutional crisis?


Honestly if he forces the Queen to make a stand, he's a... not nice person.


The Queen SHOULD be neutral to all this, but he's pushing her to be involved. What's he hope to gain? By forcing her hand, having people turn on the Monarchy?


... hmn... I wonder...

 

[Blackleaf]

And BoJo threatening not to leave 10 isn't a constitutional crisis?
Honestly if he forces the Queen to make a stand, he's a... not nice person.
The Queen SHOULD be neutral to all this, but he's pushing her to be involved. What's he hope to gain? By forcing her hand, having people turn on the Monarchy?
... hmn... I wonder...

Why's it a bad thing to do when he's doing it to try and get Brexit done?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Why's it a bad thing to do when he's doing it to try and get Brexit done?

he should not involve the queen in his political agenda. Her positron is to remain neutral and objective ......while being head of state regardless of the party in power.He is trying to break boundaries, and traditions for his own motives. His diplomatic skills are lacking.He is actually quite crude.

 

[Serryah]

Why's it a bad thing to do when he's doing it to try and get Brexit done?

Are you really that ignorant?


He involves the Queen, she has to now make a choice.


Either way makes the entire political situation WORSE in Britain.


She chooses FOR BoJo, people will freak out over her being involved in what should be a government/electoral/people's only decision.


If she decides AGAINST BoJo, then he and others will call the position of the Monarchy now useless as they cannot even make a decision to aid Britain one way or another.


Again, her position should always be neutral.


IF he forces her hand, and it's against what YOU think, do you honestly see yourself supporting the Monarchy, Blackie??

 

[Blackleaf]

he should not involve the queen in his political agenda. Her positron is to remain neutral and objective ......while being head of state regardless of the party in power.He is trying to break boundaries, and traditions for his own motives. His diplomatic skills are lacking.He is actually quite crude.

Getting rid of PMs is actually one of the powers that the Queen has. She sacked the Australian PM in the 1970s.

The Remainers have threatened to use the Queen in order to achieve their nefarious ends and the champion at breaking boundaries and traditions is Speaker Bercow, who has been doing those things to destroy Brexit (democracy).

But I suppose it's only bad when the Brexiteers do such things, eh?

 

[Hoid]

Its bad when a Brexiter lies to the Queen in order to illegally suspend debate in parliament.

It is worse when the Queen does so - revealing a complete lack of knowledge on decisions she is supposed to be making.

They should both have been removed immediately

 

[Blackleaf]

Its bad when a Brexiter lies to the Queen in order to illegally suspend debate in parliament.

How do you know he lied? I doubt you were there.

 

[Hoid]

Supreme Court rules against prorogue 11-0

 

[Blackleaf]

Supreme Court rules against prorogue 11-0

The Supreme Court didn't rule that Boris lied.

It decided simply that the effect of a lengthy, parliamentary suspension at this time was unlawful. “We are not concerned with the prime minister’s motive in doing what he did,” the justices ruled.

 

[Hoid]

They certainly determined that the reasons he gave were false and that the prorogue was illegal

The Queen ought to have been able to deetrmine that by herself. she is obviously not capable of understanding the law and should not be in the position of making those calls.

 

[Blackleaf]

They certainly determined that the reasons he gave were false

No, they didn't. Fake news.

 

[Blackleaf]

The Supreme Court did NOT find Mr Johnson had lied.

According to the law of England & Wales he's innocent.

 

[Hoid]

"The decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification."