It is not any sin to be rich.

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Give it your best .Never get it all ..Enjoy what you have or you'll never know till it's gone...

Treat people like you want to be treated..Unless your rich, than at least treat the People fair...
 

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Interesting thread.

Here in NB, we are home to the Irving clan. Interesting thing about that family is that their money is, for the most part, plowed back into businesses, growth, and job creation. These guys don't sit around, they work 10-12 hours a day, creating more jobs for more people.

Still, there are lots of folks around who hate them for working hard and being successful.
 

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I'm quite sure God doesn't make some rich to test them, that would be using temptation to do evil. I'm not all that convinced that rich and poor have rigid definitions.


Those who believed Prophet Mohammed at the start of his mission were the rich and the poor.

It is not necessarily a man is rich or poor in order to believe and be righteous.

But generally speaking, the richness makes man lofty and haughty and will be tyrant → then will disbelieve and will be independent of God and His religion, and will usually deny the next afterlife.

Any bounty he gains, he says I have got this according to my intelligence and hard work (while it is his decreed provision, and he only gets it by working and striving; and may even gets it without any effort, and it comes to him while sitting at home.)

Therefore, when man becomes rich, he should be alert to this point, and should be grateful to his Lord Who created and bestowed on him the richness and other bounties.

I saw a man who came with his car, then slapped the door of his car when he came out of it,and I astonished how he stamped haughtily on the earth with his steps feeling much pride, and all people started respecting him, calling him "hajjie"; because his pocket was full of money :smile:

While, it is not good to respect man according to his money, but according to his righteousness only and his knowledge and his morale and good manner.

The money has a magic influence on man; and I became alert that in the days I gained some money, I felt some assuredness and felt self confidence; while it is some bad thing to feel such attitude because of the money, but because of the almsgiving, if there has been any such almsgiving, and according to the thanksgiving and gratitude in case there has been any such gratitude to God.

On the other hand, generally speaking, the poor clings more to God; he supplicates God to give him out of His surplus, to save him from dangers and adversity, and to protect him in his daily life.

So in general the poor is better than the rich.

But in case the rich gives out of his provision, and the poor forbears patiently → this will be very good for them in the next afterlife.

Concerning what you said about the trial: Everything in this World is a trial; this Worldly life is a trial, and the next afterlife is the recompense and reward.

This is in the Quran 21: 35
كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ وَنَبْلُوكُم بِالشَّرِّ وَالْخَيْرِ فِتْنَةً وَإِلَيْنَا تُرْجَعُونَ

The explanation:
(Every soul shall taste of death;

and We try you with evil [one time] and [another time with] good for a testing,

then unto Us you shall be returned [and We shall recompense you accordingly].)
 
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Give it your best .Never get it all ..Enjoy what you have or you'll never know till it's gone...

Treat people like you want to be treated..Unless your rich, than at least treat the People fair...

I agree totally, Greenfish. Give your best in any endeavor. Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst. Normal outcome is usually between the best and the worst.
 

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Only the 'poor' can have a cheque bounce?.. Yeah, sure. As far as the cost of a bounced cheque, how about don't write cheques that aren't covered and save yourself $80?... Blaming an individual's mismanagement on the rest of the world is not the answer.
Oh you know some rich people who bounce cheques? How is asking why it costs $80 for a bounced cheque blaming the rest of the world. At most it costs the banks a few pennies.

Your banking costs are directly related to your individual usage, it very little to do with your account balance. That said, those persons with significant funds deposited in a bank do receive preferenial treatment only because the bank makes money from their deposits - there is no bank that provides their facilities and services exclusively as a charitable function to society... If you don't like the fees then keep your cash under a matress or buried under the shed... Just don't bitch when it gets lost or stolen.
You do get the point that my post was about how the Bible covers banking and not this current system. It has some interesting ideas that include how usury is to be used and how it is not. In that respect you post has no bearing on that aspect.

Since when is it the responsibility of 'the wealthy' to 'absorb' all of your banking costs?... Why are you so dead-set on demanding that others pay your way?
See above comment.

Your annual tax bill and the associated fees, GST/PST's, property taxes, mill rates and assessments aren't tax deductible, are they?
I was thinking more along the line of the 'give to the poor' type of charities that are tax-deductable.

.... Time to stand-up and be counted buddy and stop this moaning about how everyone with a few more dollars than you owe you a living.
Time to get with the topic, the Bible and usury and the Bible and the rich. What made you think my post was a personal life-story?
 

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Those who believed Prophet Mohammed at the start of his mission were the rich and the poor.

It is not necessarily a man is rich or poor in order to believe and be righteous.

But generally speaking, the richness makes man lofty and haughty and will be tyrant → then will disbelieve and will be independent of God and His religion, and will usually deny the next afterlife.

Any bounty he gains, he says I have got this according to my intelligence and hard work (while it is his decreed provision, and he only gets it by working and striving; and may even gets it without any effort, and it comes to him while sitting at home.)

Therefore, when man becomes rich, he should be alert to this point, and should be grateful to his Lord Who created and bestowed on him the richness and other bounties.

I saw a man who came with his car, then slapped the door of his car when he came out of it,and I astonished how he stamped haughtily on the earth with his steps feeling much pride, and all people started respecting him, calling him "hajjie"; because his pocket was full of money :smile:

While, it is not good to respect man according to his money, but according to his righteousness only and his knowledge and his morale and good manner.

The money has a magic influence on man; and I became alert that in the days I gained some money, I felt some assuredness and felt self confidence; while it is some bad thing to feel such attitude because of the money, but because of the almsgiving, if there has been any such almsgiving, and according to the thanksgiving and gratitude in case there has been any such gratitude to God.

On the other hand, generally speaking, the poor clings more to God; he supplicates God to give him out of His surplus, to save him from dangers and adversity, and to protect him in his daily life.

So in general the poor is better than the rich.

But in case the rich gives out of his provision, and the poor forbears patiently → this will be very good for them in the next afterlife.

Concerning what you said about the trial: Everything in this World is a trial; this Worldly life is a trial, and the next afterlife is the recompense and reward.

This is in the Quran 21: 35
كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ وَنَبْلُوكُم بِالشَّرِّ وَالْخَيْرِ فِتْنَةً وَإِلَيْنَا تُرْجَعُونَ

The explanation:
(Every soul shall taste of death;

and We try you with evil [one time] and [another time with] good for a testing,

then unto Us you shall be returned [and We shall recompense you accordingly].)
I seem to recall reading some account that said in the stock market crash of 1930's more than a few formerly rich people found relief only in jumping to their deaths. I doubt anybody that was already poor did that, not that their suffering didn't get worse and I am sure there was more than a few deaths attributed to food and not being able to keep warm. What makes it evil is that some knew it was going to happen so they sold out at the still high prices and as soon as things hit bottom they bought it back for pennies. Rothschild did that to get control of England. He got word 24 hrs before anybody else that Napoleon lost. He started the rumor that he won, everybody sold and he bought it up for pennies. If that was a rarity I would be less leery of the rich but they can and do use tactics just like that. That is just making sure there are only so many rich people. You would think that once you started to hoard money it might be time to lower the prices on your products. The shareholders would have you killed if you did that.

Life will throw us enough temptations to test us. If God was really testing us He could do it by having a 5spot fall out of an poor looking elderly person and have us see it. What we did next would determine our true worth in the Kingdom.
Some of the stories of big lottery winners doesn't seem to have been all roses and wine after cashing it.
 

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Oh you know some rich people who bounce cheques? How is asking why it costs $80 for a bounced cheque blaming the rest of the world. At most it costs the banks a few pennies.


Yes, I do know some.. They may bounce for different reasons, but it happens. It is a reality and it's time to get organized or pay the price. As far as the $80 fee, let's reverse the roles. You are promised your paycheque on a certain day and magically it doesn't appear... Are you OK with that? Does it not cause you problems/concerns? Do you not speak to your employer/client and possibly take some form of action (drop the client if it happens too often or change employers)?... Of course you do. That said, don't get upset 'cause the banks do the same.




You do get the point that my post was about how the Bible covers banking and not this current system. It has some interesting ideas that include how usury is to be used and how it is not. In that respect you post has no bearing on that aspect.

No, i didn't get the point, particularly as you are railing at 'the rich' and the banks for charging for NSF... I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty certain that the banks back in the Old Testament didn't have ATM's or chequing accounts... That said, there would be no bounced cheques, right?




I was thinking more along the line of the 'give to the poor' type of charities that are tax-deductable.


It does happen. But the reality is that in Canada, taxes (up 53% - Que) are collected in order to redistributethe $$ and help the poor. Each time that the feds/prov raise the income tax rates, the first casuality are the charities. Ironically, the CRA plays the role of beggaring more Canadians in the name of 'helping the poor'.


Time to get with the topic, the Bible and usury and the Bible and the rich. What made you think my post was a personal life-story?


Please see above explanations RE: banking facilities/practices during the OT times. Further, there were also penalties associated with non-payment back then... Ignoring that reality doesn't further your argument.
 

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Life will throw us enough temptations to test us. If God was really testing us He could do it by having a 5spot fall out of an poor looking elderly person and have us see it. What we did next would determine our true worth in the Kingdom.


If we study this aya 21: 35 and many other similar ayat in the Glorious Quran: the marvelous word of God: what we see:
كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ وَنَبْلُوكُم بِالشَّرِّ وَالْخَيْرِ فِتْنَةً وَإِلَيْنَا تُرْجَعُونَ

The explanation:
(Every soul shall taste of death;

and We try you with evil [one time] and [another time with] good for a testing,

then unto Us you shall be returned [and We shall recompense you accordingly].)
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It is not only the trial with poverty and richness, but with health and disease, with fear and security, with war and peace, with happiness and misery …etc.

I may not be good in English, but I tell you a parable in Arabic: the hammering of metals: if the metal is bad like some rusty iron or bad copper it will crack by hammering and appear with its true nature. But if the metal is gold, as much as do they hammer it, as much will it appear as pure gold.

Therefore, this is the trial (and we should not wish for such trial; I seek refuge with God from the consequences: man may fail.)

The circumstances and situations and experiences that man faces in this World, will put him under this trial to expose his true faith or hypocrisy and wickedness.

As in the Quran 29: 2-3
أَحَسِبَ النَّاسُ أَن يُتْرَكُوا أَن يَقُولُوا آمَنَّا وَهُمْ لَا يُفْتَنُونَ . وَلَقَدْ فَتَنَّا الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ فَلَيَعْلَمَنَّ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَلَيَعْلَمَنَّ الْكَاذِبِينَ
The explanation:
(Do the people [who have believed] think that they will be left [merely for] that they say: "We believe", and will not be tried [by the struggle in God's way.]


We certainly tried those that were before them,

and assuredly God knows those who are truthful, and assuredly He knows the untruthful.)


And also like this aya 2: 214
أَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ أَن تَدْخُلُواْ الْجَنَّةَ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِكُم مَّثَلُ الَّذِينَ خَلَوْاْ مِن قَبْلِكُم مَّسَّتْهُمُ الْبَأْسَاء وَالضَّرَّاء وَزُلْزِلُواْ حَتَّى يَقُولَ الرَّسُولُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ مَعَهُ مَتَى نَصْرُ اللّهِ أَلا إِنَّ نَصْرَ اللّهِ قَرِيبٌ

The explanation:
(Or do you deem [O believers] that you will be admitted into Paradise while yet there has not come to you the like of [that which came to] those who passed away before you?

They were encountered with affliction and suffering and were [so much] troubled,

so that the messenger [of God] and those who believed with him said: 'When will the help of God come!?'

[The messenger would answer them:] 'Surely, the help of God is approaching.')

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
 

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IMO, it is a sin (I prefer the term "bad aspect") to be greedy, to want more than one needs at the expense of others.
Tell your Islamic fairy story to the rulers of the various rulers of the Islamic theocracies such as Iran, S.A, Etc.. They, and the corrupt hypocritical, lying, douchebag Imams who are the powers behind the 'thrones' are mostly rich as well as brutal & barbaric. Iran being arguably the worst, due to the fact that these disgusting ruling pigs are actuallyON THE 'Throne as well.

As an aside, there is only one State in the ME where Muslims are able to vote, hold elected office, express their own sexuality, and control their own reproductive cycle.

IRONICALLY that nation is Israel! ROFL
 

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The Bible would classify somebody as being rich if they had more money than the bankers (take home pay) Below that line (poor and poorest)certain benefits kick in, above that line banks can and do charge some form of interest. In a busy economy their income would be more and they do more. In lean times they take in less and they do less. The system is geared to keeping the poorest as close to the dividing line as possible. Nor does it try to stifle all business growth, a sound business should not be subsidized by the poor, nor does it need an annual growth that is more than single digit prophets. The general public all benefit because anything above that growth margin would take care of any interest owing and above that it would mean reduced prices.

I would have to re-read those Scriptural references to see how else it could affect banking at the pace we do it and at the pace growth will affect this system we use today. Never being able to repay a loan doesn't last forever. It could last much longer if when the interest is paid the client gets to keep the rest. @ 5% interest the Gov borrows 1M, the way it is today he hast to pay back the 1M+5%. The payback should be the 5% and the rest stays with the Gov forever. When damaged it is replaced for free because the Bank gets the old and now unusable tender. The borrower always ends up with the purchase. The Bank has to pay all his bills from that 5%. The amount of new money (growth) is still a good chunk of change for doing nothing but paper-work. Canada has paid them 42B/yr plus all the other interest and all the other service charges. Take from the poor they should be able to demand lower prices cause they have less money. Take from the rich at years end they are still richer than they were, in lean time the poor have no extra money to spend so he loses his business and becomes less wealthy.

The Jewish practices that were given in the OT could be updated simple by making Christians and Muslims and others as being relatives because all 3 recognize one God as being the true God. They don't have to agree on anything else. The ones outsides are still covered by conditions that apply to times of peace. Across the board banking is one of them. The rich carry the whole weight of banking, the poor have this as a free service.
The Scriptures, Qu'ran are irrelevant. No saneperson would run their lives by their direction.

The bible has copied stories & commands from the cuneiform tablets of the Mesopotamians 1000 years earlier, when their were no Jews. The early Bronze Age Jews who thought the sun went around the earth, the earth was flat, illness was a punishment from an invisible God are to be ignored for sure. Their God approved slavery,ethnic cleansing, genocide,& murdering your own daughter if someone rapes her!
Adonai in the Torah us a genocidal, petty,childish, psychopathic mass killer- piss on him.

The xtians invented a new 'Jewish' cult of human sacrifice, eternal torture and damnation. Naturally they kept the worst, most sick & evil parts and extended their persecution especially of the Jews whose religious bullshit they had appropriated ahd just modified it by adding a systematic killing, torturing, rape,and suppression of the Jews on the charge of Deicide for killing Jesus.

Incidentally, even after the Holocaust, the filthy swine in the Vatican did not absolve present day Judaism until 1964!
IMO the Vatican has been the center of the worlds longest lasting criminal thugs in history.

Islam of course, is no better at all. When an illiterate merchant supposedly (ha ha!) had the Archangel Gabriel stupidly choose an illiterate Mohamned in a savage part of the world the die was cast. The angel could have visited civilized cultures that were literate etc thereby facilitating the spreading of 'Gods'word thereby mandating centuries of the usual religious crap aka. murder, genocide, rape and of course lots of booty. But I guess that wouldnt have been fun.

BTW Muslims make two additional ridiculous claims.
First,they say the Qu'ran can only be understood in its original Arabic.
A really dumb decision therefore for an 'omniscient' Deity who wants to spread his message. A 'real' God would have chosen Latin,Greek, or Chinese. Dumbass!

Lastly, in their overwhelming combination of arrogance and stupidity, they insist the Mohammeds revelation is the last one ever; period. LOL.

A reading of these books proves one certain fact.
God did not make man. Man made God.

And we dis a lousy job tool
 

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Tell your Islamic fairy story to the rulers of the various rulers of the Islamic theocracies such as Iran, S.A, Etc.. They, and the corrupt hypocritical, lying, douchebag Imams who are the powers behind the 'thrones' are mostly rich as well as brutal & barbaric. Iran being arguably the worst, due to the fact that these disgusting ruling pigs are actuallyON THE 'Throne as well.
As an aside, there is only one State in the ME where Muslims are able to vote, hold elected office, express their own sexuality, and control their own reproductive cycle.
IRONICALLY that nation is Israel! ROFL
LOL ziotards.

IRONICALLY

Unable to vote, Palestinians shrug off Israel’s elections

2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank who have no voice in choosing Israel’s next government and no control over whether it decides to annex part or all of the occupied territory, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to do . With the peace process having sputtered to a halt a decade ago, they also have little hope of getting a state of their own anytime soon.
https://apnews.com/5bd073882ef148a4be098b8e3754c0d1

Oh well, back to collecting BILLIONS in welfare and shootin' babies from the wall.
 
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People should not be punished for the wealth they have accumulated while on the other hand having wealth does not give you the right to steal someone else's wealth away.
 

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they also have little hope of getting a state of their own anytime soon.
Just like the Arab/muslim world wanted it. Go read the UNSCOP report from 1946. The Arab/muslim world is NOT Palestine's friend. Their plan was to destroy Israel, and then Egypt, Syria and Lebanon were going to divvy up the lands of both Israel and Palestine amongst themselves. Egypt was going to annex the entire southern half while Syria and Lebanon were going to split the northern half between them.
The real irony here is, the ONLY reason Palestine still exists today is because Israel still stands. If it any point Israel had been defeated, Palestine would have disappeared completely.
 

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Just like the Arab/muslim world wanted it. Go read the UNSCOP report from 1946. The Arab/muslim world is NOT Palestine's friend. Their plan was to destroy Israel, and then Egypt, Syria and Lebanon were going to divvy up the lands of both Israel and Palestine amongst themselves. Egypt was going to annex the entire southern half while Syria and Lebanon were going to split the northern half between them.
The real irony here is, the ONLY reason Palestine still exists today is because Israel still stands. If it any point Israel had been defeated, Palestine would have disappeared completely.
It was written by Jews. So were the lies about who did the actual bombing.
Look familiar?



On July 22 1946 an armed Jewish group opposed to British rule in Palestine attacked the hotel in Jerusalem where the British had their headquarters. 91 people were killed in the bombing, dozens of ...
 

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People should not be punished for the wealth they have accumulated while on the other hand having wealth does not give you the right to steal someone else's wealth away.
The tipping point is when material things become more important than a living person of other being for we call 'flesh'. Most people today are rich because of 'inherited wealth' rather than they are smarter than anybody who started at 'the bottom'. The 'rich' spend a lot of money to make sure things stay that way.

It makes them psychopaths and that is never a good thing. 'Nobody goes hungry.' is the latest command from above, it is a work in progress . . . .
 

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The Scriptures, Qu'ran are irrelevant. No saneperson would run their lives by their direction.
I don't know anybody that does, that being said 4B people claim they believe in God (in some form) and the elite of the world are practicing the religion Moses introduced about 4,000 years ago. Nobody seems to have a very good handle on any of it. Losing the context of the passage a verse come from is a big part of it in most cases. (Exodus:14 if you want an example)

By using the term 'sane' you are using yourself as the standard, if it was true you would have figured it out, because you failed to do that the whole thing must be bullshit from start to finish.

How big of an ego would that be in the real world? Would it even fit??
The bible has copied stories & commands from the cuneiform tablets of the Mesopotamians 1000 years earlier, when their were no Jews. The early Bronze Age Jews who thought the sun went around the earth, the earth was flat, illness was a punishment from an invisible God are to be ignored for sure. Their God approved slavery,ethnic cleansing, genocide,& murdering your own daughter if someone rapes her!
Adonai in the Torah us a genocidal, petty,childish, psychopathic mass killer- piss on him.
It would take about 4 threads to begin to cover those points.

If the man married her I assume that was fine with the people. A female child captured in battle could either marry the man of the family that raised her or she could marry any boy she fell in love with. A natural daughter was part of a large business deal.

You were not all that clear about how things worked back then.
The xtians invented a new 'Jewish' cult of human sacrifice, eternal torture and damnation. Naturally they kept the worst, most sick & evil parts and extended their persecution especially of the Jews whose religious bullshit they had appropriated ahd just modified it by adding a systematic killing, torturing, rape,and suppression of the Jews on the charge of Deicide for killing Jesus.
Gentiles didn't write the Babylonian Talmud. You are full of lies, are you Jewish?? The Bible is pretty clear that Jesus going to the grave was the completion of the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15, only Satan would want that to remain unfulfilled. Are you sure he should be left out considering you beliefs are the same ones that got them exiled from the Promised Land in 600BC. 450 before Rome came onto the scene.

Incidentally, even after the Holocaust, the filthy swine in the Vatican did not absolve present day Judaism until 1964!
IMO the Vatican has been the center of the worlds longest lasting criminal thugs in history.
The Jewish money-changers were the reason for the exile in 600BC, they escaped with the gold in 70AD. In 1350 the beat the RCC, in 1650 they beat the Portuguese, in 1850 they beat the UK and in 1950 they beat the USA.
If the Vatican are 'filthy swine' who are these Jews??
De:4:26-28:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,
that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it;
ye shall not prolong your days upon it,
but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
M't:23:31-38:
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Ye serpents,
ye generation of vipers,
how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Wherefore,
behold,
I send unto you prophets,
and wise men,
and scribes:
and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
and persecute them from city to city:
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you,
All these things shall come upon this generation.
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
(in part)
Islam of course, is no better at all. When an illiterate merchant supposedly (ha ha!) had the Archangel Gabriel stupidly choose an illiterate Mohamned in a savage part of the world the die was cast. The angel could have visited civilized cultures that were literate etc thereby facilitating the spreading of 'Gods'word thereby mandating centuries of the usual religious crap aka. murder, genocide, rape and of course lots of booty. But I guess that wouldnt have been fun.

Same as the exodus wars yet totally unrelated, you are a retard, time somebody clued you in on that fact.

That would have been when the sermon to the village the woman from the well came from would be revealed as the 'little horn' verse in Da:8 said the RCC wiuld get the truth and then mess it up. I wonder if the Jewish Money-changers 'helped' them decide a

Latin Bible' would be an improvement over what the Jews called the OT.

BTW Muslims make two additional ridiculous claims.
First,they say the Qu'ran can only be understood in its original Arabic.
A really dumb decision therefore for an 'omniscient' Deity who wants to spread his message. A 'real' God would have chosen Latin,Greek, or Chinese. Dumbass!

The Jews say that about the Hebrew OT, the 1611 KJV is not disputed by them as being the best English translation available. Mistake #2 for you.
Lastly, in their overwhelming combination of arrogance and stupidity, they insist the Mohammeds revelation is the last one ever; period. LOL.
Sound mor than a bit racist as you won't say the same thing about the Jews. Typical psychopath.
A reading of these books proves one certain fact.
God did not make man. Man made God.
It proves you even had to 'ask an expert' as you are so clueless you can't even post a summary. lol. The world has a right to fear you and your kind. Strike #3.
And we dis a lousy job tool
First you brag the present day Jews up and then close by saying they did a lousy fukking job. That is usually followed by a false flag event, like the UN moving to Jerusalem alone would fix all the 70 years of fukups its it now famous for while based in NY,NY.


I would bet your part was actually a bit less than 'zero'.