Elon Musk acted like a jerk, and Tesla stock paid the price

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Trust me when I say there are more important issues to be covered. Only the chronically stupid will have missed the changes that have taken place already. The 'old ways' will never be coming back. You will be itchy for the rest of your days because of it.

Karma can take the credit for the whole loco collective going through the same growing pains, something is why there will be no let-up.
 

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I hate to agree with Hoid that the future "might" mean electric vehicles or other form of power for personal vehicles
Where I disagree with the greenies is the means of achieving the change...
Enough with the carbon tax, and the global warming bullshite...
Like I've said many times before......I'm all for clean environment and clean air to breathe

What I say is.... let the market decide....Innovation and competition will decide what sells and what doesn't
Competition and mass production will also bring down the prices
Manufacturers know that a product has to be affordable in order to sell it!
I agree , we can all get behind breathing cleaner air , why they didn’t continue down that path I will never understand . With the results from the elimination of lead and sulphuric from autos and more fuel efficient vehicles combined with the change to home heating with natural gas cleaned our environment more then any of the carbon tax will .
 

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EV and especially battery tech, will need to advance far more before the public at large can support them.


As it stands, the market (read: public) are not enticed enough to make the switch and thus have any real impact in terms of support.. Take hoid for example, he/she sermonizes about how great they are and how we NEED this, yet, he\she can not personally justify the expenditure.
They do make sense for a commuter vehicle , they are quite and comfortable, however at present are only practical for city use . In ten or twenty years they will probably be more mainstream .
 

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You find an alien planet that has all that because it sure as heel can't be found on this planet.

Innovation and competition= monopoly
Competition and mass production= early end of life means the same items get produced forever rather than building quality pieces so all people can enjoy the things that comes with electricity.
Manufacturers know that a product has to be affordable in order to sell it= The cost is made as high as possible do the rich can but without it being a hardship and anybody else means there is a 20 year loan @ interest.

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noun: monopoly; plural noun: monopolies; noun: Monopoly

  1. 1.
    the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.
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    • a company or group having exclusive control over a commodity or service.
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    • a commodity or service in the exclusive control of a company or group.
      "electricity, gas, and water were considered to be natural monopolies"
    • the exclusive possession, control, or exercise of something.
      "men don't have a monopoly on unrequited love"
  2. 2.
    trademark
    a board game in which players engage in simulated property and financial dealings using imitation money. It was invented in the US and the name was coined by Charles Darrow c. 1935.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-electronics-is-getting-shorter-study-finds
Lifespan of consumer electronics is getting shorter, study finds
Investigation of built-in obsolescence for German environment agency finds percentage of products sold to replace defective ones has increased remarkably, reports ENDS Europe


https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-wholesale-and-retail.html
Difference Between Wholesale and Retail
The word wholesale simply means selling in bulk quantities and retail stands for selling merchandise in small quantities. Wholesale and retail are two distribution arrangement that constitutes a major part of the supply chain. When the goods are manufactured, they are sold in large quantities (wholesale) to the wholesalers who further sells them to the retailers who finally sells them to the ultimate customers.
While a wholesaler sells goods to the businesses, as they purchase goods to sell it further. On the other hand, a retailer targets final consumer and sells goods to them.
In this way, these two business forms are one of the important intermediaries of the marketing channel. In the absence of these two links, the whole chain will get disturbed. Today, we are going to describe the significant differences between wholesale and retail. Have a look at it.
Content: Wholesale Vs Retail

    1. Comparison Chart
    2. Definition

  1. Key Differences
  2. Conclusion
Comparison Chart

Basis for ComparisonWholesaleRetail

MeaningWholesale is a business in which goods are sold in large quantities to the retailers, industries and other businesses.When the goods are sold to the final consumer in small lots, then this type of business is termed as retail.

Creates link betweenManufacturer and RetailerWholesaler and Customer

PriceLower Comparatively higher

Competition LessVery high

Volume of transactionLarge Small

Capital Requirement Huge Little

Deals in Limited products Different products

Area of operation Extended to various cities Limited to a specific area

Art of selling Not Required Required

Need for advertisement No Yes
Definition of Wholesale
Wholesale refers to the selling of goods to the customers like retailers, industries, and others in bulk, at a low price. It is a type of business in which goods are being purchased from the producers by the wholesaler in big lots, and then the bulk is split into comparatively smaller lots. Finally, they are repacked and resold to the other parties.
Wholesalers do not pay much attention to the location of the shop and its appearance, and display of goods because they sell only a specific type of items, and their customers are generally retailers or other businesses who purchase the goods for the purpose of resale. These things do not matter to them at all.
In wholesale business, the wholesaler gives more emphasis on the quantity of goods, not on the quality. For starting a wholesale business, there is a huge capital requirement as the business size is large. It does not require any publicity or advertisement.
However, the customers of a wholesale business are spread in various cities, towns or even in different states. Most goods are sold on credit to the customers of the wholesale business. The price of purchased on wholesale is lower as it consists of less profit margin.
Definition of Retail
Retail means selling goods in small lots. When the goods are sold to the final customer, for consumption and not for the purpose of resale, in small quantities, then this business type is known as Retail. Retailers are the middleman between wholesalers and customers. They purchase goods from wholesalers in bulk and sells it to the ultimate consumer in small lots.
The prices of goods purchased in retail are relatively high. The first and foremost reason behind this is the advertisement cost, and the profit margin is high. Moreover, they include other expenses in the price of goods on a proportionate basis, like the rent of premises, salary to the workers, electricity expenses, etc.
Due to extreme competition, it is quite difficult to retain customers for a long time, so the retailer should know the techniques of handling different kinds of customers. In this way, shop location, the appearance of the shop, goods displayed, quality of products and service provided is given much importance because it leaves an impact on the customer’s mind. Moreover, the goodwill of the retailer depends on these parameters. By virtue of this, the retail business person always goes with the quality products. They reject the defective or inferior quality products and pick the best one.
Key Differences Between Wholesale and Retail
The points given below elaborates the fundamental differences between wholesale and retail trade:

  1. Wholesale means the sale of goods in voluminous quantity, at a low price. The business of selling goods to end consumers in small lots at a profit is known as Retail.
  2. Wholesale creates a link between the manufacturer and retailer whereas Retail creates a link between wholesaler and customer.
  3. There are wide differences between wholesale and retail price of a particular commodity, i.e. the wholesale price is always less than the retail one.
  4. In wholesale business, there is no requirement of an art of selling the goods which are a must in case of retail business.
  5. The size of a wholesale business is larger than a retail business.
  6. In the retail business, the retail shopkeeper can choose the goods freely which is not possible in wholesale business because the goods are to be purchased in bulk.
  7. In wholesale business, the capital requirement is higher than in retail business.
  8. The location is of utmost important in retail, but in wholesale, the location does not matter at all.
  9. While selling the goods in retail the appearance of the shop and the display of items should be good to attract more and more customers. However, in wholesale, there is no such kind of need.
  10. There is no requirement of advertising in wholesale but retail business requires advertising to grab the attention of customers.
Conclusion
Whenever a product is produced, it does not come to us directly. There are so many hands, through which a product passes, and finally, we get it from the retail shopkeeper. In wholesale, mild competition can be seen, but in retail, there is a cut-throat competition, so it is very tough to retain and regain customers.
Well thank you for going through all that effort to tell me what I already know .
 

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I'm pretty sure electric combines are some ways in the future.

In the meantime Canada could get a jump start on the North American hemp industry if we gave it the boost we have given companies like PetroCan. (and a few more) Clothes made from wheat straw will not have you live through a single winter.
 

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Well thank you for going through all that effort to tell me what I already know .
NP, why didn't you post it then?

Trust me when I say I didn't breaking into a sweat while doing it. It does show what 'way too much effort' looks like in your world though.
 

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Whose idea was it to leave you unmedicated and alone with your thoughts?
He's gotten to a point that I don't read his stupid post.....Him and "can't hold his beer"
Megahurtz can't hold his two brain cells together because he's hung up on a collective....!
 

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GE investors are worried about Tesla stock.

The day Tesla debuted it was $17 and GE was $15

Today Tesla stock is up over 1,200% while GE is down 37%

This is why you should not invest with your heart
 

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They do make sense for a commuter vehicle , they are quite and comfortable, however at present are only practical for city use . In ten or twenty years they will probably be more mainstream .


I don't disagree with you there. Ultimately, the choke-points relative to that are related to necessary infrastructure upgrades required by the local/urban grid and the presence of charging stations for public consumption


GE investors are worried about Tesla stock.

The day Tesla debuted it was $17 and GE was $15

Today Tesla stock is up over 1,200% while GE is down 37%

This is why you should not invest with your heart


Why haven't you purchased a Tesla?
 
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Norway is the gold standard for early EV adoption. The demand outstrips the supply. Something like 35% of all new car sales.

Why?

First in Norway 98% of electric generation is renewable.

Second, Norway started in the 90s trying to achieve low emmission adoption through tax incentives. Most of them went to IC engine development, and then by the 2000s to EVs.

Third. Norway now taxes the hell out of ICE vehicles. Helping to make the financial commitment almost even.


SO what it seems to need is commitment to the reduction of emissions.

It is also important to note that about 4% of EV owners would ever consider going back to while - while almost 90% of ICE owners would consider going EV.

Its what the people want.
 

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Model 3 owner gives review at 26K mile

Total cost to operate so far - $600
 

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Norwegian Wealth Fund is a major Tesla investor.

So they just lost big on the cars for the 1%?

Oopsies.


A quote from Norway's Wealth Fund:


There are plenty of opinions on whether Tesla Inc. should (or even can) go private, but Norway’s sovereign wealth fund, the world’s biggest, isn’t chiming in.
“We don’t have a view on that,” Trond Grande, the fund’s deputy chief executive officer, said in an interview on Tuesday.
He then added: “We want to be invested in companies that make money.”

Guess that they blew it on Tesla