do something about plastic

[spilledthebeer]

The fact that plastic is cheap is a big part of the problem.

POOR PITIFUL HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Still trying to save some semblance of LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And getting relentlessly MOCKED for it to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If the environment was in the kind of dire emergency situation as LIE-berals claim...................................


then WHY NOT take HONEST ACTION??????????????????????????


Why not immediately GROUND ALL civil service union HOGS????????????????????????


Let them take the much more environmentally gentle TRAIN????????????????????????


LIE-beral INSISTENCE on harassing people who are simply driving to work - because there is not enough room on our worn out and alredy over crowded public transit - while at the same time totally IGNORING all the frivolous uses of fossil fuel.......................


and you know what I mean- gas powered mowers that could be replaced by push mowers.............


gas powered weed eaters that could be replaced by hand operated weed choppers...................


atv`s.................................


seadoos..........................................


60 mph bass boats.................................


people joy riding in light aircraft....................................


If we were truly facing an environmental emergency then WHY are LIE-berals REFUSING to take any real action?????????????


All LIE-berals are doing is grabbing gravy and protecting their ENTITLEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now HOID.............................................


go ahead and IGNORE this HONEST QUESTION as you always do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

The fact that plastic is cheap is a big part of the problem.

Of course that is why they use to give them away, same as paper bags before them, what's the free alternative to them?

It is only 'cheap' in narrow, monetary terms; so yes, a big part of the big problem - which is its huge cost in terms of environmental degradation.

What does it cost us to clean them up across Canada? Our family picks them up around our community and redeposits them in the garbage bin what have you done besides complain?

 

[Hoid]

There is no free alternative to plastic other than doing without.

And thank you to you and your family for throwing plastic into the landfill.

You would think a farmer would have some sort of interest in and understanding of what plastic is doing to the world.- but this one doesn't even know anything about tractors or farm equipment so...

 

[spilledthebeer]

There is no free alternative to plastic other than doing without.

And thank you to you and your family for throwing plastic into the landfill.

You would think a farmer would have some sort of interest in and understanding of what plastic is doing to the world.- but this one doesn't even know anything about tractors or farm equipment so...

OH HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are becoming a laughing stock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only 11 percent of our recycled material was EVER actually recycled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The rest went direct to the nearest landfill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And that 11 percent recycling rate was BEFORE China stopped accepting our recyclables!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That blue box biz has become a STUPID JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twin_Moose]

There is no free alternative to plastic other than doing without.
And thank you to you and your family for throwing plastic into the landfill.
You would think a farmer would have some sort of interest in and understanding of what plastic is doing to the world.- but this one doesn't even know anything about tractors or farm equipment so...

A few posts back I told you we have a bin that takes plastic including bags, so I guess we addressed the problem have you? Besides where should plastic bags go, in a burning barrel? What don't I know about tractors or farm equipment? Please tell me how you operate without hydraulic oil? Please educate me on farming I'm dying to learn from you, master of nothing but baiting

 

[Hoid]

A few posts back I told you we have a bin that takes plastic including bags, so I guess we addressed the problem have you? Besides where should plastic bags go, in a burning barrel? What don't I know about tractors or farm equipment? Please tell me how you operate without hydraulic oil? Please educate me on farming I'm dying to learn from you, master of nothing but baiting

Wow you have a bin that takes them but you and your family pick them up and redeposit them in the garbage bin?

Are you the smart one in the family?

 

[petros]

Hemp plastic: superior and biodegradable. All we have to do is convince pertoglyph to convert his farm to hemp and stop spraying his crops with toxic chemicals.

If there were money in it, we would all be growing it.

What type of toxic chemicals? Heavily diluted sugary alcohol and phosphate salts?

That sounds scary. Is it the same sugary booze used and phosphates to make bioplastic from hemp?

Yup.

Bioplastics are f-cking nasty.

Read up. There isn't a meme so it'll take some thinking for you to read.

Weiss, Martin, et al. “A Review of the Environmental Impacts of Biobased Materials.” Journal of Industrial Ecology, vol. 16, no. SUPPL.1, 2012, doi:10.1111/j.1530-9290.2012.00468.x.


Summary
Concerns over climate change and the security of industrial feedstock supplies have been opening a growing market for biobased materials. This development, however, also presents a challenge to scientists, policy makers, and industry because the production of biobased materials requires land and is typically associated with adverse environmental effects. This article addresses the environmental impacts of biobased materials in a meta‐analysis of 44 life cycle assessment (LCA) studies. The reviewed literature suggests that one metric ton (t) of biobased materials saves, relative to conventional materials, 55 ± 34 gigajoules of primary energy and 3 ± 1 t carbon dioxide equivalents of greenhouse gases. However, biobased materials may increase eutrophication by 5 ± 7 kilograms (kg) phosphate equivalents/t and stratospheric ozone depletion by 1.9 ± 1.8 kg nitrous oxide equivalents/t. Our findings are inconclusive with regard to acidification (savings of 2 ± 20 kg sulfur dioxide equivalents/t) and photochemical ozone formation (savings of 0.3 ± 2.4 kg ethene equivalents/t). The variability in the results of life cycle assessment studies highlights the difficulties in drawing general conclusions. Still, common to most biobased materials are impacts caused by the application of fertilizers and pesticides during industrial biomass cultivation. Additional land use impacts, such as the potential loss of biodiversity, soil carbon depletion, soil erosion, deforestation, as well as greenhouse gas emissions from indirect land use change are not quantified in this review. Clearly these impacts should be considered when evaluating the environmental performance of biobased materials.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Wow you have a bin that takes them but you and your family pick them up and redeposit them in the garbage bin?
Are you the smart one in the family?

I see deflecting and moving the target because you were so wrong about alternative energy on heavy equipment wow SMFH

Okay I see where you got the garbage bin from when I mistyped it instead of plastic bin you have a little victory to hang yourself on Lol

 

[MHz]

If 82% are in favor of making a law for recycling, it must mean that 82% are already recycling, so would a law increase the percentage?

No but it does create a market for a bunch of new signs.

 

[VIBC]

"Please tell me how you operate (farm machinery) without hydraulic oil?"

Cables work. That's what was originally used and if you couldn't have hydraulics that's probably what you'd use again.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Nine out of 10 respondents to a survey about the impact of plastic waste on the environment say they are concerned or very concerned about the problem, and 82 per cent say they believe that government should be doing more to tackle it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/marketplace-poll-on-plastics-1.5084301

you could not get a stronger mandate from the people on an action they would like to see taken.

hard to understand when this public support is there what is taking government so long to get moving.

In advance I'll say "please excuse my rambling." The times I went to Cuba I quickly realized that they don't directly have a deposit system for their cans and bottles (aside from using them for crafts to sell to the tourists). Here we have a deposit system so you don't see cans and bottles sitting for long. I work across (& down) the street from a Sarcan Recycle Depot and there's a steady stream of people bringing in cans and bottles on foot and on bicycles and mounded up baby strollers and so on and so forth. It's self policing (the clean up) and the poor put some jingle in their pockets.

Forget the whole tax bullshit and put a deposit system or a bounty on plastic by weight, and watch the problem cure itself. The poor and desperate will find and hump in every scrap of plastic they can find (not with the environment in mind, but for the $$$) and plastic waste will disappear from the neighborhoods and ditches and stop going to the landfills. Expand existing Recycling depots to deal with it, and with more plastic in the same places (already at recycling depots) markets will be found for it and the marketplace will deal (with it with minimal government having their hands in your pockets to no good for society as a whole) to the benefit of everyone.

The rubs and bums are already in your garbage & recycle bins (whether you realize it or not) hunting for recyclable metals and bottles (& personal info to be sold for identity thefts but that's another story), so just create a market for plastic by weight also, with drop off points that they already know. Done deal. Landfills last years longer, etc...and the gov't can go stuff their useless tax on everything tax.

Oh yeah, and the grocery industry can create their own $5 coin for shopping carts. You return you cart and you get your $5 coin back. You don't and someone else will. The poor will push that cart back a mile to the store to get that $5 coin. Just saying ($1 isn't enough to justify pushing a shopping cart for a mile but I'd bet $5 is....).

 

[Ron in Regina]

the 82% want to see the government do something

it id a gimme for the government

The gov't can get the ball rolling on initiating a deposit or bounty on plastic, and then step back once the ball is in play.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Like what? What should the government do?

They should do things that result in less plastic being discarded

The Gov't can help initiate things, and then step back and stay out of the way as the marketplace deals with the issue.

 

[Ron in Regina]

.....And what of the cigarette butts that are a HUGE LITTER PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, etc...

Seeds can be anything from flowers to trees to Kentucky Bluegrass Lawn Seed inside biodegradable cig filters...

 

[Ron in Regina]

Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are talking SILLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals refuse to take effective action against gang banger thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they can ignore bulltes flying in the streets and the rapidly growing CANADIAN reputation as a haven for money laundering............

do you really think they will CARE about a little palstic refuse??????????????????????

A Hooker can push two shopping carts back to the store (if the deposit was $5 each) and make as much as a ghetto blowjob, and nobody gets Hep C, and they're already at a grocery store when they get their $10 (a shopping cart is actually worth in excess of $500 I'd bet so it's a win-win for the grocery store). That's money the Gang Banger thugs don't see. No Gov't funding needed, and less money (=less power & influence) in the hands of semi-organized crime.

 

[VIBC]

I was interested in your original, thoughtful post and wanted to join in discussing your ideas. Then you started quoting - and responding to - beerdump, and the thread became a puerile, brainless waste of time & bandwidth. Too bad.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Just trying to help solve the worlds problems with minimal Gov't intervention and taxation is all. The solutions don't have to be costly or complicated, and can actually be a benefit as long as the Gov't intervention is minimal.

 

[Hoid]

You made some good points.

 

[VIBC]

Just trying to help solve the worlds problems with minimal Gov't intervention and taxation is all. The solutions don't have to be costly or complicated, and can actually be a benefit as long as the Gov't intervention is minimal.

As I've said, I find your ideas interesting but I don't understand why you would hobble their implementation by specifying minimum government 'intervention' at the outset. (Did you mean participation, funding, maybe regulation?) How would you define 'minimal' anyway? - sorry, but this sounds to me like ideological dogma. In my way of thinking, any alternative that gets the job done at least cost and without significant disadvantage to individuals would be entirely acceptable. What's the objection if that involves government participation?

I do find your ideas have merit but I believe it could be counterproductive to hamstring implementation by specifying dogmatic preconditions.

Whatever works (within reason), no?

 

[Ron in Regina]

I'm just a White Natty tossing out ideas to see what sticks....& thank you. We're opposed on many issues but not all.