Open military to non citizens?

[Twin_Moose]

There is really good fishing accessed off the La ronge road if you want to drive Wollistan Lake has uuuge Lake/Rainbow Trout

 

[Cannuck]

Gotta fly in.
I love Beavers. My father-in-law used to build them at de Haviland.

I love beaver too

 

[Curious Cdn]

I love beaver too

Do you fly in?

 

[Cannuck]

Do you fly in?

I find fly down works best

 

[Twin_Moose]

Good thing it was in dry dock this time Lol

Fire breaks out aboard hunter-killer submarine drydocked at CFB Esquimalt

 

[Curious Cdn]

Good thing it was in dry dock this time Lol
Fire breaks out aboard hunter-killer submarine drydocked at CFB Esquimalt

Yeah I saw that.

Gee,I wonder what could possibly start a fire during a re-fit in a graving dock?


Hmmm....


... an oxyacatelene torch, maybe? The Navy doesn't do their own refits. Civilian contractors do.

Joe's HVAC and SUBMARINE REPAIR SERVICE of COMOX probably did that.

 

[NZDoug]

Yeah I saw that.
Gee,I wonder what could possibly start a fire during a re-fit in a graving dock?
Hmmm....
... an oxyacatelene torch, maybe? The Navy doesn't do their own refits. Civilian contractors do.
Joe's HVAC and SUBMARINE REPAIR SERVICE of COMOX probably did that.

Probably re heating poutine from La Belle Patate.
https://www.yelp.ca/biz/la-belle-patate-victoria?start=40

 

[spilledthebeer]

Yeah I saw that.

Gee,I wonder what could possibly start a fire during a re-fit in a graving dock?


Hmmm....


... an oxyacatelene torch, maybe? The Navy doesn't do their own refits. Civilian contractors do.

Joe's HVAC and SUBMARINE REPAIR SERVICE of COMOX probably did that.

The fire is more likely to be the result of LIE-beral MEDDLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As I have said before- LIE-berals DO NOT think we should have any military at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But LIE-beral Chretien was wearing that NATO SLACKER label that so often gets slapped onto LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he did not like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And so Chretien was pressured into buying the subs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The problem started when LIE-berals figured out that the subs were being offered at a BARGAIN PRICE because Brits KNEW they would earn back all their investment by selling us spare parts and torpedoes and missiles and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The subs sold to Canada are diesel/electric.................................


and for some reason ALL diesel electric subs run on 18 volts..................................


while ALL nuclear powered subs run on 24 volts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The British, French and Yankees all have EXCLUSIVELY nuclear subs- those Brit Subs we bought were the LAST of the British type!!!


So now in NATO - nuclear subs are MORE COMMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And for reasons of economics - the navies share many of their nuclear parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Translation: parts for nuclear subs are essentially MASS PRODUCED and thus CHEAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


While parts for diesel electric subs are reluctantly made as necessary- like getting parts for an antique car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And thus parts for diesel electric subs COST MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So our LIE-berals- always looking for ways to save GRAVY for themselves............................


had the 4 subs RE-WIRED so they can operate with cheaper 24 volt nuclear sonars, radars, weapons and other electornics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Problem is subs are VERY TIGHTLY PACKED with gear............................


properly sealing and connecting the RETRO FITTED new wiring is a NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The first 2 subs were rewired at Brit yards........................at HIGH COST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So Chretien ordered the 3rd sub to sail to Canada to be rewired here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That is why the 3rd sub caught fire in mid Atlantic as it was coming to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because the MAIN HATCH WAS LEAKING and a big wave flooded the control room and sparked a short circuit and fire that killed a Cdn sailor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So now we have a sub catching fire in dry dock.....................................


and we should ask if it was careless smoking or careless use of a torch?????????????????/


Or something WORSE- like a BAD electrical connection that SHORTED OUT under the strain of operating newly installed equipment??????????????????????


And THERE IS the BIG PROBLEM with Cdn military development!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We LURCH from technical era to upgrades......................ONLY AFTER many years pass.................... by while we play with OBSOLETE CRAP because that is all we have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those 4 subs carry gear that most Cdn dock workers have NEVER SEEN OR HANDLED before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our Cdn military is learning on the job how to operate this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anybody who has recently fiddled with automobile electronic systems KNOWS you can blwo out all manner of COSTLY parts with one careless touch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The lack of space and complexity of a sub makes that problem of static electricity and random sparks and awkward tool use infinitely WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The CLASSIC EXAMPLE of the very steep learning curve that Cdn military so often endures occurred back in the 1980`s- with a brand new Cdn Destroyer running up the B.C. and the crew playing with all the new radars and sonars and exotic missile systems in training exercises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the automated defense system came on line and identified an approaching enemy........................................



and launched a missile at it while bewildered crew attempted to identify the type of enemy...................................


and that missile made a NICE BULLSEYE on the target.............................


but nobody ever figured out why the computer would want to destroy a automobile GARAGE in suburban Burnaby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are determined that any weapons they are forced to buy will be of the MOST COSTLY and LEAST EFFECTIVE TYPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The army trucks LIE-beral Chretien bought in 1990`s routinely broke axles and stripped transmissions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the Cormorant helicopters Chretien bought had MAJOR problems with cracked tail rotors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdn destroyers are now so old and decrepit they cannot leave harbour- not even on a nice sunny day without the engines catching fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The RCN frigates are newer than the destroyers but they are now old enough to be developing the same engine fire problems as the destroyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy Justin has just bought us a bunch of new armoured personnel carriers that routinely strip transmissions and suffer from engine fires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is PRETENDING to buy us OLD Australian f 18`s that will - if the deal goes through- require MAJOR up grading that ought to be completed shortly before the air frames succumb to metal fatigue from age and use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is engaged in ship building FRAUD in that he is PRETENDING to buy us new destroyers.........................


and he is simply screwing around and going through the motions and hoping that Trump will be GONE before Our idiot Boy finds the NATO SLACKER label- that Trump hung on him - becomes permanently TATOOED into the Trudeau skin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy has promised to buy the army new tanks to replace the old ones built in the 1960`s.............................


but the usual LIE-beral FIX is in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO NEW TANKS will be bought for Cdn military UNTIL a buyer is found for the old ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there ARE NO BUYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The old tanks are SCRAP METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So there will be NO NEW TANKS for Cdn military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there will be NO MILITARY in a LIE-beral Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Curious Cdn]

The fire is more likely to be the result of LIE-beral MEDDLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As I have said before- LIE-berals DO NOT think we should have any military at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But LIE-beral Chretien was wearing that NATO SLACKER label that so often gets slapped onto LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And he did not like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And so Chretien was pressured into buying the subs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem started when LIE-berals figured out that the subs were being offered at a BARGAIN PRICE because Brits KNEW they would earn back all their investment by selling us spare parts and torpedoes and missiles and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The subs sold to Canada are diesel/electric.................................
and for some reason ALL diesel electric subs run on 18 volts..................................
while ALL nuclear powered subs run on 24 volts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The British, French and Yankees all have EXCLUSIVELY nuclear subs- those Brit Subs we bought were the LAST of the British type!!!
So now in NATO - nuclear subs are MORE COMMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And for reasons of economics - the navies share many of their nuclear parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Translation: parts for nuclear subs are essentially MASS PRODUCED and thus CHEAPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While parts for diesel electric subs are reluctantly made as necessary- like getting parts for an antique car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus parts for diesel electric subs COST MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So our LIE-berals- always looking for ways to save GRAVY for themselves............................
had the 4 subs RE-WIRED so they can operate with cheaper 24 volt nuclear sonars, radars, weapons and other electornics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Problem is subs are VERY TIGHTLY PACKED with gear............................
properly sealing and connecting the RETRO FITTED new wiring is a NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The first 2 subs were rewired at Brit yards........................at HIGH COST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So Chretien ordered the 3rd sub to sail to Canada to be rewired here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is why the 3rd sub caught fire in mid Atlantic as it was coming to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because the MAIN HATCH WAS LEAKING and a big wave flooded the control room and sparked a short circuit and fire that killed a Cdn sailor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So now we have a sub catching fire in dry dock.....................................
and we should ask if it was careless smoking or careless use of a torch?????????????????/
Or something WORSE- like a BAD electrical connection that SHORTED OUT under the strain of operating newly installed equipment??????????????????????
And THERE IS the BIG PROBLEM with Cdn military development!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We LURCH from technical era to upgrades......................ONLY AFTER many years pass.................... by while we play with OBSOLETE CRAP because that is all we have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those 4 subs carry gear that most Cdn dock workers have NEVER SEEN OR HANDLED before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our Cdn military is learning on the job how to operate this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anybody who has recently fiddled with automobile electronic systems KNOWS you can blwo out all manner of COSTLY parts with one careless touch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lack of space and complexity of a sub makes that problem of static electricity and random sparks and awkward tool use infinitely WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The CLASSIC EXAMPLE of the very steep learning curve that Cdn military so often endures occurred back in the 1980`s- with a brand new Cdn Destroyer running up the B.C. and the crew playing with all the new radars and sonars and exotic missile systems in training exercises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the automated defense system came on line and identified an approaching enemy........................................
and launched a missile at it while bewildered crew attempted to identify the type of enemy...................................
and that missile made a NICE BULLSEYE on the target.............................
but nobody ever figured out why the computer would want to destroy a automobile GARAGE in suburban Burnaby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are determined that any weapons they are forced to buy will be of the MOST COSTLY and LEAST EFFECTIVE TYPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The army trucks LIE-beral Chretien bought in 1990`s routinely broke axles and stripped transmissions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Cormorant helicopters Chretien bought had MAJOR problems with cracked tail rotors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cdn destroyers are now so old and decrepit they cannot leave harbour- not even on a nice sunny day without the engines catching fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The RCN frigates are newer than the destroyers but they are now old enough to be developing the same engine fire problems as the destroyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy Justin has just bought us a bunch of new armoured personnel carriers that routinely strip transmissions and suffer from engine fires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy is PRETENDING to buy us OLD Australian f 18`s that will - if the deal goes through- require MAJOR up grading that ought to be completed shortly before the air frames succumb to metal fatigue from age and use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy is engaged in ship building FRAUD in that he is PRETENDING to buy us new destroyers.........................
and he is simply screwing around and going through the motions and hoping that Trump will be GONE before Our idiot Boy finds the NATO SLACKER label- that Trump hung on him - becomes permanently TATOOED into the Trudeau skin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy has promised to buy the army new tanks to replace the old ones built in the 1960`s.............................
but the usual LIE-beral FIX is in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO NEW TANKS will be bought for Cdn military UNTIL a buyer is found for the old ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And there ARE NO BUYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old tanks are SCRAP METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So there will be NO NEW TANKS for Cdn military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And there will be NO MILITARY in a LIE-beral Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Brits do everything ass-backwards. The whole Navy used to be composed of odd-ball Kipper gear ... before my time, mind.

 

[Twin_Moose]

The hot cold war: Inside Canada's military training mission in Ukraine

It's a long way from the killing fields of Kandahar to the laneways of Lviv, Ukraine — but for Lt.-Col. Pierre Leroux, the newer conflict carries some echoes of the older one.
When Leroux arrived in Afghanistan in the fall of 2010, the Canadian army was helping to train Afghan forces to fight in the middle of a shooting war with the insurgent Taliban.
In 2019, Leroux leads the Canadian task force training Ukrainian soldiers to fight an equally deadly, hot-and-cold conventional war with Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine's eastern regions.
There are important differences between the two wars — for starters, Canadians were on the frontlines in Kandahar and are not in Lviv — but in both conflicts Leroux arrived on the scene at a watershed moment, just as the war was about to evolve into something different.
His tour of Afghanistan as a company commander in the 1st Battalion Royal 22e Regiment came just after an American military surge had tamed the wildly dangerous Kandahar province, giving the Canadians an opening to finally help establish some semblance of governance.
Ukraine is on the cusp of a transformation of its own, with the possible election of a new president whose opaque platform has some international analysts worried that he is pro-Russian.
A runoff election in a few weeks will decide whether Volodymyr Zelensky unseats Petro Poroshenko, whose pro-Western outlook and dogged military campaign in two restive districts (known as 'oblasts') has worn thin with ordinary Ukrainian voters.
The Liberal government recently renewed Canada's military commitment of 200 training soldiers in western Ukraine until 2022.
Leroux said there's no shortage of work for them to do.
"There are so many things that we can improve," Leroux told the CBC in a telephone interview from the military training centre in Yavoriv, near Lviv. "It's pretty incredible. There's still a lot of doors open."
Canadian troops first deployed to help train Ukrainian army units in advanced combat skills — including the detection and defusing of roadside bombs and booby traps, which presented a major problem in the early stages of the conflict.
Leroux said the Ukrainians have advanced to the point where they can train their own bomb disposal troops. The Canadians are now helping them with what's known as 'sapper' training: breaching fortifications, demolition and bridge-building under fire. They're also providing advanced courses to train snipers.
One of Canada's biggest contributions, however, has been in the field of advanced combat medical training.
When the Canadians arrived in September 2015, Ukrainian soldiers were only being given short, basic combat medic training by U.S. troops. In Canadian hands, that training has been expanded into a three-month course that delivers advanced life-saving skills.
A better chance of survival
It's important knowledge, given the Ukranian army's high attrition rate, Leroux said. Knowing the wounded have a better chance of survival has boosted the confidence levels of frontline troops.
Leroux said the politics of Ukraine is far removed from the work he and his troops are doing, but he's convinced the work has value.
"So I see this mission can keep on going for a while," he said.
The commander of HMCS Toronto, which is currently cruising the Black Sea off Ukraine and taking part in exercises with other NATO warships, expressed similar optimism in a ship-to-shore interview on Friday.
Commander Martin Fluet said that — unlike previous patrols, when his frigate and other allied ships faced low-flying Russian warplanes buzzing them — this latest foray into the region has been quiet.
Shadowed by the Russians
According to reports published in Moscow, two Russian warships — one of them an intelligence-gathering vessel — are shadowing the NATO task force.
Fluet confirmed those reports, but said it's all part of the routine.
"It is a very standoff approach, where they are following from a distance," he said. "There was nothing hostile directed towards us."
The U.S. has proposed sending even more ships into the Black Sea and stepped-up port visits along the coast in eastern Europe — partly in response to the capture of small Ukrainian naval vessels by the Russians in the disputed Kerch Strait last November.
After a meeting with alliance foreign ministers in Washington this week, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said he hopes allies "agree on new measures to improve our knowledge of the situation in the [Black Sea] region."
That's a signal that rotating naval deployments — which include Canadian ships — will also continue for some time to come.

Hey CC does our military ever invite these training recruits back here to complete training? Or tour our bases?

 

[Curious Cdn]

The hot cold war: Inside Canada's military training mission in Ukraine
Hey CC does our military ever invite these training recruits back here to complete training? Or tour our bases?

Not that l'm aware of. Canada trains lots of foreign military at places like Suffield Albera and Goose Bay Labrador but those are formal NATO arrangements lasting decades. It occurs to me that visiting Ukranian troops might be subject to assassination attempts in our wide open society and their visits would not be publicized, even if they happen at all.

By the way, Russian surface fleet tactics don't seem to have changed since Soviet days except that so much of their fleet is composed of rusting, obsolete hulks that the mentioned second warship accompanying the intelligence gathering vessel might be a protective frigate but it is more likely to be a tug boat.

 

[Twin_Moose]

I knew about the NATO arrangements and some of the forces like: Brits had an agreement for training in Suffield and Wainwright, Germans in Shilo, etc.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I knew about the NATO arrangements and some of the forces like: Brits had an agreement for training in Suffield and Wainwright, Germans in Shilo, etc.

The Ukraine is not in NATO ... not quite (which is why all of this is going on in the first place) and it may not be legal for us to be training Ukranian soldiers on our territory without some sort of declaration against Russia. That's a guess. The Russians no doubt view the Ukranians as traitors for trying to join NATO.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Yes I agree that is why I was wondering if Kurds or Ukrainians were invited here to see how we operate off the field as well as on, thanks for your insight

 

[Curious Cdn]

Yes I agree that is why I was wondering if Kurds or Ukrainians were invited here to see how we operate off the field as well as on, thanks for your insight

It would be very complicated to have Kurds here as the primary power that wants to crush the Kurds into the dust is Turkey who, guess what, is one of the biggest and oldest NATO allies.

 

[Hoid]

"kurd" is an ethnicity. Like Hebrew or arab.

 

[Curious Cdn]

"kurd" is an ethnicity. Like Hebrew or arab.

Wow!

You are smart!!

You've got power, now!

You can make it go!

 

[Danbones]

"kurd" is an ethnicity. Like Hebrew or arab.

...or cheese.

 

[Hoid]

This Canadian "training" of foreign soldiers is yet another ill-conceived attempt to get our geo-political jollies short of declaring war which is the actual way we are supposed to do these things.

It will, as the saying goes, end in tears.

 

[Curious Cdn]

This Canadian "training" of foreign soldiers is yet another ill-conceived attempt to get our geo-political jollies short of declaring war which is the actual way we are supposed to do these things.
It will, as the saying goes, end in tears.

My father and his three brothers were all in the RCAF. All of them, except my father who was deployed overseas,trained foreigners from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Rhodesia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Holland, Norway, Denmark, and likely a dozen other countries. The BCAPT trained oner a quarter million of mostly foreigners.

I guess that they didn't get your memo.

It was under a Liberal government, too.

That part is truly miraculous.