Ottawa to declare federal holiday to mark legacy of residential school system

[taxslave]

If you think we don't have enough days off, then why not just increase the number of personal holidays allowed rather than force the whole country to take the same day off work?

That said, let me entertain you a bit. If the government should insist on a statutory holiday for the private sector too, then why not stagger it? For example, the Government could make both the first day of Spring and the first day of Summer commemorative days, with an employer being required to give an employee one of those two days off each year but not both.

Most likely, an employer would let employees choose but if they all choose the same day, then maybe let them choose by order of seniority in the company.

You do realize this would add significant costs to business and taxpayers don't you?
Let's look at the government part first. All employees that get the day off also get paid for that day so no savings there. And their work wouldn't get done. Now let's look at essential services. They also get paid for the stat plus double time for all hours worked.Just trippled the wage cost for that day.
Same goes for the private sector. Who is going to shut down for that day? Certainly not restaurants, bars and malls so all those people would have to be paid at least time and a half plus the stat. NO camp jobs are going to stop for the day so all those people get double time for the day plus the stat. And very few of us work less than ten hours a day.
THe upshot is a huge expense to recognize something that only affected a few thousand people, none of us had any control over and most didn't even know about the problems until the 80s.

Suffering from short-term memory loss, Cliffy?

globalnews.ca/news/4193748/la-loche-school-shooting-saskatchewan-sentence/

Like all appoligists he has selective memory. Mostly selects bullshit.

 

[White_Unifier]

You do realize this would add significant costs to business and taxpayers don't you?
Let's look at the government part first. All employees that get the day off also get paid for that day so no savings there. And their work wouldn't get done. Now let's look at essential services. They also get paid for the stat plus double time for all hours worked.Just trippled the wage cost for that day.
Same goes for the private sector. Who is going to shut down for that day? Certainly not restaurants, bars and malls so all those people would have to be paid at least time and a half plus the stat. NO camp jobs are going to stop for the day so all those people get double time for the day plus the stat. And very few of us work less than ten hours a day.
THe upshot is a huge expense to recognize something that only affected a few thousand people, none of us had any control over and most didn't even know about the problems until the 80s.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was thinking unpaid days off and only for shift workers who normally work on the usual stat holidays. This would mean that rather than pay time and a half for example, an employer could give a shift worker an alternative day off from the list instead. Now that might make some shift workers angry that now the employer could just give him a different stat off instead rather than pay the time and a half.

However, other shift workers might actually appreciate it. It might mean less holiday pay but more opportunities to get time off with others to organize activities etc.

And to be clear, I'm not proposing the government spend money on those days, but just to give shift workers an opportunity to choose alternative days when they can get off with others if they want to organize events on their own dime.

Also just to clarify, if your employer gives you your allotted nine days off a year and makes you work on your other stat days, no, you would not get paid time and a half because that would not be your personal stat. In other words, as long as your employer gives you nine stat days off a year, he would have no need to pay you extra since the other days would just be regular work days for you.

to avoid confusion on all of this, I'm tempted to create a different thread to propose eliminating stat pay or at least limit it to strict conditions. If the government is to increase the number of state holidays, then it will need to limit the number of personal holidays, meaning that any additional public holiday other than his personal ones should be treated as just a regular work day for him.

 

[taxslave]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was thinking unpaid days off and only for shift workers who normally work on the usual stat holidays. This would mean that rather than pay time and a half for example, an employer could give a shift worker an alternative day off from the list instead. Now that might make some shift workers angry that now the employer could just give him a different stat off instead rather than pay the time and a half.

However, other shift workers might actually appreciate it. It might mean less holiday pay but more opportunities to get time off with others to organize activities etc.

And to be clear, I'm not proposing the government spend money on those days, but just to give shift workers an opportunity to choose alternative days when they can get off with others if they want to organize events on their own dime.

Also just to clarify, if your employer gives you your allotted nine days off a year and makes you work on your other stat days, no, you would not get paid time and a half because that would not be your personal stat. In other words, as long as your employer gives you nine stat days off a year, he would have no need to pay you extra since the other days would just be regular work days for you.

to avoid confusion on all of this, I'm tempted to create a different thread to propose eliminating stat pay or at least limit it to strict conditions. If the government is to increase the number of state holidays, then it will need to limit the number of personal holidays, meaning that any additional public holiday other than his personal ones should be treated as just a regular work day for him.

Better read some Union contracts first. Especially the ones that relate to camp projects.

 

[MHz]

You do realize this would add significant costs to business and taxpayers don't you?
Let's look at the government part first. All employees that get the day off also get paid for that day so no savings there. And their work wouldn't get done. Now let's look at essential services. They also get paid for the stat plus double time for all hours worked.Just trippled the wage cost for that day.

Make money and shelter an essential service where the public is invited to donate their time helping others fill out the forms needed. Grade1 required to be an instructor. As a .org it is run at cost and when it gets cheaper to run the clients costs also go down.

Same goes for the private sector. Who is going to shut down for that day? Certainly not restaurants, bars and malls so all those people would have to be paid at least time and a half plus the stat. NO camp jobs are going to stop for the day so all those people get double time for the day plus the stat. And very few of us work less than ten hours a day.
THe upshot is a huge expense to recognize something that only affected a few thousand people, none of us had any control over and most didn't even know about the problems until the 80s.

Pay your respects wherever you are at 11:59:59AM-12PM, Dec:21.

 

[White_Unifier]

Better read some Union contracts first. Especially the ones that relate to camp projects.

Not every worker is unionized. Obviously any union could negotiate what it wants and any employer can sign what it wants.

That said, I do support US-style right-to-work legislation to keep the power of unions in check.

If a government adds more state holidays, it could even specify in the bill that it will not affect already-signed union contracts. In other words, if Unions then want the additional stat covered in their contracts, it would be up to them to renegotiate. Thin of it as a grandfather clause for businesses.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I agree, sometimes you have to suck it up and move on! When bad shit happens to you, you have to examine the situation and possibly make changes to your procedure. The cops should definitely have their knuckles rapped and get some more intensive training.

I agree with you. Being a victim is a circumstantial thing that sucks but it passes. Remaining a victim is a choice. Generations later using that fact that Grandma was a victim is a cop out.

My Great-Grandfather left England with his three brothers on an involuntary one way cruise for Australia. Several years later when Britain was having a tiff with some South African Farmers an opportunity arose to leave Australia if they agreed to go fight for King and Country (that threw them out of their own country never to return). Two brothers (one being my Great-Grandfather) decided to go fight and two decided to stay in Australia.

After the Boer War, the two brothers were granted leave from Australia to anywhere in the Commonwealth (except England)....and chose Canada, and 120yrs later should I choose to be a victim? Oh woe is me and a couple of boo-hoo's? Thank you but pass. To busy working and living a good life.

 

[Mowich]

I agree with you. Being a victim is a circumstantial thing that sucks but it passes. Remaining a victim is a choice. Generations later using that fact that Grandma was a victim is a cop out.

My Great-Grandfather left England with his three brothers on an involuntary one way cruise for Australia. Several years later when Britain was having a tiff with some South African Farmers an opportunity arose to leave Australia if they agreed to go fight for King and Country (that threw them out of their own country never to return). Two brothers (one being my Great-Grandfather) decided to go fight and two decided to stay in Australia.

After the Boer War, the two brothers were granted leave from Australia to anywhere in the Commonwealth (except England)....and chose Canada, and 120yrs later should I choose to be a victim? Oh woe is me and a couple of boo-hoo's? Thank you but pass. To busy working and living a good life.

Thank you for sharing your family history, Ron. I could not agree with you more about victimhood being a choice. I might go further and suggest that it is now fast on the edge of becoming an occupation.

 

[Twin_Moose]

How a proposed holiday for reconciliation could affect Canada's economy

The Conservative Party's Indigenous affairs critic says the government's plan to create a holiday to mark the tragic legacy of the residential school system would be a financial burden for Canada.
"I do know that we have to move toward reconciliation," Kamloops-Thompson-Cariboo MP Cathy McLeod told Daybreak Kamloops guest host Doug Herbert on Thursday. "Surely ... there is a way we could move forward and not spend $195 million of federal government taxpayers' dollars, which I think could be used for much better purpose."

Federal payroll concerns

The federal government's daily payroll is $195 million, according to McLeod, and employees receive full pay for statutory holidays.
That much money could pay for "an awful lot of clean water systems ... an awful lot of support for education," says McLeod.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said last month his government would establish a new holiday to fulfil a recommendation of the Truth and Reconcilation Commission, but provided no details.
Chief Robert Joseph, ambassador for Reconciliation Canada, told the CBC that having a federal Indigenous holiday is worth the money.
"Whatever it is that we sacrifice ... moving forward together in reconciliation and celebration is worth the investment given the gravity of the history we're talking about and the consequences that still reverberate through our communities as a result of the impacts of that period," says Joseph.

Transitioning to federal status

June 21 is already set aside as National Indigenous Peoples Day, but Joseph says it's mainly recognized in Indigenous communities.
"It had a big roll-out and Canadians took an interest," says Joseph. "But over a little bit of time, the only ones that were celebrating were Aboriginal people. This next step elevates our desire to be one with each other."
Once a new statutory holiday is implemented, Indigenous communities could use the day to communicate with Canadian politicians, says Joseph.
"During that day, it would be so important for MPs to get out into their constituencies and spend the day in the Aboriginal community, meeting Aboriginal people."

Business concerns

Once the federal government declares a new statutory holiday, it's up to provinces to decide whether to follow suit.
Having a day to recognize reconciliation is important, says Dan Kelly, president of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, adding that his members want to address the unfair treatment of Indigenous peoples.
But he would prefer to see a new holiday replace to an existing one rather than create a new paid day off for Canadians. The August Long Weekend or Family Day could be repurposed to recognize reconciliation efforts, he says.
"We have already started to hear from small-, medium-sized firms who are concerned that their provincial government may follow the lead of the federal government. Then they would be facing an additional cost," says Kelly.
The vast majority of private-sector workers are provincially regulated, says Kelly. If a new statutory holiday were to be recognized provincially, the CFIB estimates it would cost $3.6 billion in lost productivity countrywide.
"I think there's a way to do this without significant economic consequences."

 

[White_Unifier]

National Indigenous Peoples Day need not be an economic burden if implemented the right way. Right now, the Federal Government has 9 statutory holidays. It could ass National Indigenous Peoples Day as a state holiday but make a legal distinction between a public holiday and a personal statutory holiday whereby the law could declare that the Federal government has 10 official public holidays of which a worker can choose nine per year in consultation with his employer as his statutory personal holidays. By making a distinction between legal public holidays and legal statutory personal holidays, the state then becomes free to adopt as many public holidays as it wants (even one for every day of the year if it wants to) while still capping statutory personal holidays to nine.

Problem solved.

 

[Mowich]

How a proposed holiday for reconciliation could affect Canada's economy

Cathy is the MP for our constituency. She was first elected in 2008 and has retained her seat in subsequent elections. I've met her several times as she has an office in 100 Mile House and attends several events during the year. Her points about the government costs alone should this stat become law are valid and worth considering.

"Chief Robert Joseph, ambassador for Reconciliation Canada, told the CBC that having a federal Indigenous holiday is worth the money. "Whatever it is that we sacrifice ... moving forward together in reconciliation and celebration is worth the investment given the gravity of the history we're talking about and the consequences that still reverberate through our communities as a result of the impacts of that period," says Joseph."

If this is the 'ambassadors' best go at reconciling differences, he needs to go have a deep think.

 

[pgs]

Thank you for sharing your family history, Ron. I could not agree with you more about victimhood being a choice. I might go further and suggest that it is now fast on the edge of becoming an occupation.

It is already look at all the property pimps working all across our province . I bet one could find ten in 100 mile house without even trying .

 

[pgs]

Cathy is the MP for our constituency. She was first elected in 2008 and has retained her seat in subsequent elections. I've met her several times as she has an office in 100 Mile House and attends several events during the year. Her points about the government costs alone should this stat become law are valid and worth considering.

"Chief Robert Joseph, ambassador for Reconciliation Canada, told the CBC that having a federal Indigenous holiday is worth the money. "Whatever it is that we sacrifice ... moving forward together in reconciliation and celebration is worth the investment given the gravity of the history we're talking about and the consequences that still reverberate through our communities as a result of the impacts of that period," says Joseph."

If this is the 'ambassadors' best go at reconciling differences, he needs to go have a deep think.

His grandma got spanked , he became a lawyer and keep the gravy flowing .

 

[White_Unifier]

Cathy is the MP for our constituency. She was first elected in 2008 and has retained her seat in subsequent elections. I've met her several times as she has an office in 100 Mile House and attends several events during the year. Her points about the government costs alone should this stat become law are valid and worth considering.
"Chief Robert Joseph, ambassador for Reconciliation Canada, told the CBC that having a federal Indigenous holiday is worth the money. "Whatever it is that we sacrifice ... moving forward together in reconciliation and celebration is worth the investment given the gravity of the history we're talking about and the consequences that still reverberate through our communities as a result of the impacts of that period," says Joseph."
If this is the 'ambassadors' best go at reconciling differences, he needs to go have a deep think.

As i mentioned above, it doesn't need to cost anything if implemented correctly.

 

[Twin_Moose]

But it is costing us already

ambassador for Reconciliation Canada

do you think he or the reconciliation board are working for free?

 

[White_Unifier]

But it is costing us already do you think he or the reconciliation board are working for free?

The Day isn't even law yet. How is it costing us already? Honestly, shift workers would appreciate more public holidays to choose from and their employers would appreciate more days to spread their shift-workers over.

 

[White_Unifier]

Ideally, Canada should probably have around 30 or 40 state public holidays from which a shift worker can choose nine in consultation with his employer. right now federally, there are nine state public holidays and nine personal ones. That means that if a shift worker must work on that day, he may or may not get an alternative day off, but either way, it will be when everyone else is working. How does he participate effectively in the life of the community whenever he's off and everyone else is working?

Even from an economic standpoint, it makes sense to have around 3 or 4 times as many state public holidays as individual ones.

 

[White_Unifier]

Economically speaking, it would make sense to have anywhere from 3 to 4 times as many state public holidays as individual ones so that an employer can more efficiently rotate his shift workers between those holidays and so the shift workers can also participate more fully in community life.

 

[petros]

If you weren't an Anglo or a Franco, school killed your culture.

Speaking your mother tongue in school ended with harsh physical punishment and humiliation.

Where's my cheque? The suffering my parents experienced is generational.

 

[White_Unifier]

If you weren't an Anglo or a Franco, school killed your culture.
Speaking your mother tongue in school ended with harsh physical punishment and humiliation.
Where's my cheque? The suffering my parents experienced is generational.

Then how about this:

Petition to the House of Commons in Parliament Assembled

Whereas:
• A shift worker seldom gets a statutory holiday off but might still want a community-day off;
• For logistical reasons, an employer might not give all of his shift workers the same day off however much he might want to;
• A religious or linguistic holiday can allow a shift worker to take a day off in common with his religious or linguistic community while still allowing an employer to give different shift workers different days off; and
• In 1971, the United Nations General Assembly recommended that Member States observe United Nations Day as a public holiday;

We, the undersigned, residents of Canada, call upon the House of Commons in Parliament Assembled to adopt a Shift-Worker’s Public-Holiday Act that would allow a shift worker to choose, in consultation with his employer, nine personal public holidays per year from among:
• Any already-established state public holiday;
• Any Holy Day of the religion he professes;
• Any additional day chosen in consultation with Canadian veterans’ associations and Deaf, indigenous, and other unofficial language communities;
• The third Sunday in January (World Religion Day);
• 21 February (International Mother Language Day);
• 20 March (French Language Day);
• 20 April (Chinese Language Day);
• 23 April (English Language Day and Spanish Language Day);
• 6 June (Russian Language Day);
• 23 September (International Day of Sign Languages);
• 24 October (United Nations Day);
• 15 December (Zamenhof Day); and
• 18 December (Arabic Language Day).

 

[Twin_Moose]

The Day isn't even law yet. How is it costing us already? Honestly, shift workers would appreciate more public holidays to choose from and their employers would appreciate more days to spread their shift-workers over.

Because they have grants and budgets and this is the best they can come up with