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Curious Cdn

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This article nails the problem facing pertisan idealogues and the "purity" of their parties.

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It is necessary to build consensus. Oliver Cromwell made sense but he couldn't lead a country without an army of thugs.

Cromwell wasn’t very good at building consensus. If he was the civil war wouldn’t have happened. Then when he won’t he kept people in line through fear, not through building real consensus. He was as tyrannical and arbitrary as the King he fought.
 

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I am a Conservative Party member, I supported Bernier for leader, I agree with his views on diversity and supply management.
But there is room in the party for Bernier, and the main goal should be to destroy Trudeau and his incompetent, dangerous gov't. To do that we need to be a "big tent" party, that attracts people with differing views.
You don't always get your way Max.
What this episode demonstrated is twofold:
First, I was wrong to vote for Bernier, as he is obviously a manipulative, narcissistic, weasel of a man. And not very bright. He is not fit to be an MP, much less leader of a party.
Secondly, Scheer is much the superior political strategist. It is now obvious that Bernier wanted Scheer to kick him out, so he could claim there is no room for people that support his ideas in the party. But Scheer did not take the bait, demonstrating there was room in the party for a variety of views. Kudos to Scheer.
The party made the right choice in the leadership fight.
If Bernier gets this idiotic idea off the ground, and attracts just a tiny percentage of conservative voters, Trudeau will rule this country for another 8 or 12 years. By that time it will be irreparable.
Shame on you Max.
Shame.
Really I read his tweats , the position he took was not at all different than that of many Canadians from all party’s , he did not make one overtly racist statement in any of those tweets . The Conservative leadership buckled under faux outrage from the press and through Maxunder the bus , who is next ? Playing the mushy middle game is a non starter in my opinion .

Well said!!! Couldn't agree more!

The only thing I am waiting for...and hoping for, is more of a presence and voice from Scheer. Someone needs to ask some tough questions of Trudeau, his immigration policies, his economic policies, his international relations and trade policies...he seems to be getting a free pass from the opposition right now and many Canadians, myself included, feel there isn't a strong voice of opposition representing them. Scheer needs to correct this, not just for the support of conservatives, but for the support of the average Canadian.
But to ask those questions you are labeled a bigot and are such unCanadian a dare not to be taken seriously . Look at MaxBernier for a prime example .
 

Curious Cdn

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Really I read his tweats , the position he took was not at all different than that of many Canadians from all party’s , he did not make one overtly racist statement in any of those tweets . The Conservative leadership buckled under faux outrage from the press and through Maxunder the bus , who is next ? Playing the mushy middle game is a non starter in my opinion .

Scheer wants to be Prime Minister. Stick to your right wing "core values" and the Conservatives become the third place party. It's that simple. True to your values= no chance to ever change anything.
 

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Scheer wants to be Prime Minister. Stick to your right wing "core values" and the Conservatives become the third place party. It's that simple. True to your values= no chance to ever change anything.
If we want mushy middle , why not keep re-electing liberals ? If we allow liberals to frame the conversation we become liberals . Would you like to lend me a million , I am sure my granddaughter can afford to pay you .
 

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Those are tiny, little, monocultural places. Canada is vast, varied and what is good for one end of the country is often quite bad for the other end. The big political parties here are already coalitions of regional interests.


True, but we have proof in Canada that individuals elected to public office in Canada can work together despite having different political backgrounds. Proof of that is the thousands of local governments all of which are elected on a non-partisan basis. I'm betting that 90% of Canadians have no idea of the ideological leanings of their municipal representatives.
 

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The BIG problem with being critical of LIE-beral policy is there is so very much of it to shoot at!!!!!!!!!================ Consider: Here is an article giving us the truth about the Kinder Morgan pipeline. With some comments of my own in brackets): Trans Mountain pipeline stalled, Trudeau's folks hope. By Rick Bell. Published: June 22, 2018. Updated: June 22, 2018 7:00 AM EDT Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists================= Related News EDITORIAL: Why commuting in Toronto is in chaos Columnists BONOKOSKI: The ‘here and now’ of Doug Ford as premier Columnists HASSAN: Yes, we need to ban the burka in Canada Columnists LILLEY: Liberal official has social media meltdown over Trump================ The pipeline will be built. That’s what the Trudeau Liberals and the Notley NDP tell us … and tell us … and tell us. The pipeline will be built. But apparently, not yet.============= (Yeah! LIE-berals are deliberately STALLING on any more pipeline construction- while pretending they are going ahead with the project! In typical LIE-beral fashion they find irt easier to tell us one thing and do another!) Shannon Stubbs is in Ottawa, a member of parliament from central Alberta, the federal Conservative point person for pipelines. She’s infuriated. And when Stubbs is infuriated, you know it. Oh, we’ve seen what looked like stupendous times, scenes of triumph, joy, salvation and deliverance all wrapped up in a big fat bailout from the taxpayer.=============== (The tax payer bailout would not have been necessary if LIE-berals had simply cleared the protestors out of the way and let Kinder Morgan get on with the work- but that would have lost votes for LIE-berals so its not an option they considered!)============ There’s been oodles of self-congratulation, victory laps and back slaps, high-fives and political touchdown dances.============ (And of course IF LIE-berals ACTUALLY DO find a buyer for the pipeline they WILL have to force protestors out of the way or see the job stalled yet again! Which is what LIE-berals want- if you dig into their stated policies!)================ And all because a company by the name of Kinder Morgan walked away from their pipeline to the west coast and their expansion of that pipeline. They had it up to here with all the political crap and do-nothing politicians and sold what they had to us taxpayers for $4.5 billion. When the deal went down, there were photo-ops with workers smiling on cue. It was time to get to work. Pick up those tools. That was the message of Premier Notley late last month. To do what?======================== (AS a NDPer - and running a desperately indebted provincial govt- Notley is under the thumb of federal LIE-berals who she hopes will be bailing her out financially- and she is restricted in what she says publicly since she cannot afford to offend federal NDP leaders such as Jagmeet Singh- the airhead who hopes to replace Our idiot Boy Justin using policies that are idiotic even by LIE-beral standards!)============================ The truth hit the fan when Stubbs went to an all-party political gabfest this week where the individual in the hot seat was Jim Carr, Trudeau’s main man on natural resources. He came late and left early but the fearless Stubbs still had a chance to grill the Liberal politician. The Conservative MP’s office got in touch with Trans Mountain. They confirmed the pipeline construction hadn’t begun. “Not an inch, not a bit. They’re still waiting for permits to be granted. Opponents are still throwing up creative permitting processes,” says Stubbs, still incensed.======================= (News reports suggest there are over 1100 assorted building permits needed before building can recommence and NOT ONE has been applied for since LIE-berals bought the pipeline! If that does not constitute stalling I don’t know what would!) ========== “I know farmers and rig hands and out-of-work pipeline workers in my riding think: Well, at least this is finally going to get off the ground. “Because the Liberals and Premier Notley said to them this $4.5-billion deal would get construction started, they think it’s happening. “It’s finally on the record. It’s not off the ground yet. It’s still at risk.”==================== (I say yet again: THERE WILL BE NO PIPE LAID TILL AFTER LIE-BERALS ARE DEFEATED- HOPEFULLY IN THE 2019 ELECTION!!!) ============== Could the company give a ballpark timeline for when it’s full speed ahead on construction? Nope. Listen to Trudeau’s man. “We know construction will begin as soon as possible. The permitting process continues,” says Carr. How consoling. “It is our hope construction will pick up pace over the summer.”=================== (And the construction is still stalled in mid summer! With protestors still camped in opposition- and no LIE-berla effort made to move them!)===================== Perhaps we should all light candles and pray to the patron saint of pipelines. That’s probably St. Jude, patron of lost causes. Carr admits delay is costly. I thought the new owners of the pipeline would like to know that. You. How many jobs will be created? Carr says the question is “premature.” Those decisions will be taken down the road.============ (Meaning there will be NO JOBS if LIE-berals get their way and kill the pipeline!) ================== “This is going to be up to the Crown corporation that will take ownership of the pipeline after the Kinder Morgan board has approved the sale.” Carr says that sale could be in late July or in August. Another question from Stubbs. What about the construction costs for the pipeline expansion? That’s not included in the $4.5 billion sale price. Carr says they’ll figure that out later. Deep thinkers in Ottawa “did due diligence to determine the commercial viability of the project.”===================== (LIE-berals are far more interested in what it will cost to rip up the pipe that has already been installed! LIE-berals told us- prior to the 2015 election- that they want to kill the Alberta oil patch so completing Kinder Morgan pipeline is CLEARLY COUNTER to long term LIE-beral policy! LIE-berals recognize Kinder Morgan and resource extraction and their carbon crap and trade tax scam as SERIOUS IMPEDIMENTS to winning public support as we move closer to the election- hence the ramping up of LIE-beral duplicity regarding pipelines!) ============================ As this song and dance goes on, it becomes clear to Stubbs this Carr guy has a fancy title but doesn’t seem to be in the loop. Then she asks Carr a question and gets an answer leaving her “pretty shocked.” Was Carr fully involved in the pipeline negotiations? “No,” says Carr. The day before Kinder Morgan said they needed certainty about getting the pipeline built through B.C., and they needed it by May 31, they called Carr. They were “feeling pressures from investors.” ====================== Questions. What about the $3 million in bonuses to bigshots after the pipeline sale to taxpayers? Kinder Morgan still owns the company and “it’s not the government’s business,” says Carr. As for taxpayer-funded summer jobs for anti-oilpatch groups in NDP and Liberal ridings, Carr says they “don’t pick and choose according to whether or not a group agrees with our policy.” Except … er … faith-based groups.==================== (OH YEAH!!!!! LIE-berals hand out govt summer job grants according to whether the group has signed LIE-beral “attestation” cards- meaning your group MUST agree to support ALL LIE-beral policy or you wont get money! For this reason a number of Christian groups- such as Catholic Church have gotten NO grant money since they refuse to LIE! On the other hand, Muslim groups with EXACTLY the same objections to gay marriage and abortion as Catholics- have happily signed the LIE-beral attestation cards and gotten money! But rhen Muslims are specifically permitted by Allah to LIE to Christians in defence of Islam! Even worse- some of the Muslim groups have strong links with radical Muslim terrorist groups! But that should not worry LIE-berals since Our idiot Boy granted Cdn tax money to terror group Hamas just as soon as he was elected!) ====================== Stubbs even questions Trudeau’s man about taxpayer cash for people pumping out anti-oilpatch propaganda. Carr said he hadn’t heard of her example of such spending.================== (Too bad Sun newspaper chain already did a story on the millions of govt dollars being spent to “study” the oil industry! LIE-berals apparently are examining just how many civil service union Hogs- who happen to be BIG stock owners might get hurt if LIE-berals do manage to kill the Alberta oil patch as they planned! Since union Hogs are critical to LIE-beral election victory- they cannot simply kill off Alberta oil without considering the impact on Hog pensions! Compromises must be made and massive compensation paid to Hogs if Alberta oil is shut down! LIE-berals are far more concerned about Hog pensions than about the economy at large!)================ When Stubbs was done, even an NDPer from B.C. has to ask how the purchase of the pipeline had changed anything. And earlier this week, in Edmonton, reality hits. Notley NDP budget boss Smilin’ Joe Ceci wasn’t smilin’. “We need to see shovels in the ground.” ==================== (We will not see shovels moving till federal LIE-berals are defeated- as a great many Cdns are coming to realize!)================
 

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There was a billion things to criticize under Harper.

Party unity the theme of Conservative convention as Scheer faces challenges from withi

There was nothing in the official agenda at the Conservative policy convention that spoke of the need for party unity. But it became the predominant theme in Halifax as Leader Andrew Scheer faced down a challenge from his former rival for the top job and from some delegates who want to open the door to banning abortion.

Scheer championed unity in his Friday keynote address to the 3,000 delegates without ever mentioning Maxime Bernier who, only a day earlier, had dismissed both Scheer and the party as morally and intellectually corrupt.

"We are certainly one big, strong, united, national Conservative Party. And next year, we will be a strong, stable, national Conservative majority government," he said to a rousing ovation."

That last bit was a deliberate lift of the line Stephen Harper used over and over again in 2011 after leading the Conservatives to their first majority win in two decades. It was another, not-so-subtle reminder that Scheer intends to pursue the same themes, the same focus as his predecessor.

And that leads directly to the abortion issue, which continues to divide Canadians and has, in the past, been a major irritant that separated social and fiscal conservatives inside the party.

The resolution brought to the floor came out of a policy workshop stacked with members carrying a "Voter's Guide for SoCon delegates in Halifax" provided by Campaign Life Coalition. As expected, the debate to remove the commitment in the party's policy book to never legislate abortion was heated and emotional.

That commitment was made under Harper's leadership. He understood the potential for abortion to be used as a weapon against Conservatives, to fuel the claims from opposition parties and some interest groups that the party had a hidden agenda to restrict a woman's right to choose. In the end, delegates voted to retain the policy.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4799159
 

spilledthebeer

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Conbots are in full damage control mode.

This must be serious.

Sieg Heil to mentalfloss!!!!!!!!!!

He offers up Nazi style propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!

He claims Conservatives are in full damage control mode!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is TYPICAL Nazi propaganda!!!

Hitler said he had no choice but to invade Poland because the Poles were war mongers seeking to hurt Germany!!!!!!!!

Our very own Pierre Trudeau PUBLICLY DESCRIBED the war against Nazi Germany as "British Imperialism"!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now we have flossy verbally attacking Conservatives using the same smear tactics as Hitler used against Poland and against Jews!!!!!!!!!

The LIE-beral govt in B.C. is hanging on by a thread- Horgan needs the support of Green Party socialists to survive- and that means Horgan is at odds with the majority of Cdns who view Kinder Morgan as NECESSARY!!!!

And it does not help that B.C. has PROVEN the ineffectiveness of the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam! B.C. emissions suffered a little blip and now are rising again! LIE-berals want us to give up driving cars and yet the latest reports out of B.C. reveal that the number of cars registered in that province is INCREASING!!!!

B.C. LIE-berals have PROVEN that the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam is nothing but a tax rip off that cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!

But what else should we expect from lunatic LIE-berals who want to FORCE us out of cars and onto antiquated public transit that was built 40 years ago and has not had much maintenance since!!!!

One has only to look at how often rain now stalls so many Toronto services!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals keep telling us that climate change will bring on wild weather and we must prepare!!!!!!!!

What LIE-berals mean by "get prepared" is that we must adjust to floods and stalled trains and blocked roads and beaches rendered unsafe for swimming because of antiquated sewer systems that cannot handle the loads!!!!!! LIE-berals are DOING NOTHING to prepare- except tell us some propaganda!!!!!!!!!!

The NDP govt of Alberta is composed of the less intelligent cousins of LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!

NDPers are simply LIE-berals who lack the low guile and cunning to be proper LIE-berals- and there is good rwason to suspect that Notley and her socialist nutheads are going to be replaced in next election!!!!!!!

Saskatechewan and Manitoba are BOTH opposed to illegals swarming across our borders at LIE-beral invitation and both provinces are unhappy with a carbon crap and trade tax as well! LIE-berals have FEW FRIENDS west of Kenora!!!!!!

Ontari-owe has just FIRMLY REJECTED the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax and the LIE-beral mouldy green energy deals are dying as well!!!!!!!!!

The electric TOY cars so beloved of LIE-berals for their gravy generating capacity are UNSALABLE without MASSIVE GOVT SUBSIDIES that Ford refuses to offer because he has better things to do wirth our cash- like pay off MASSIVE DEBTS LEFT BY LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!

The Quebec govt has signalled- just as Ontari-owe has done- that the cost of caring for illegals WILL BE a major election issue- with Our idiot Boy Justin being on the WRONG SIDE of the debate!!!!!!!

Screaming "RACIST" at people who ask legitimate questions about govt spending policy WILL NOT put favourable votes in ballot boxes!!!!!!

There is every reason to believe that the next federal election in Quebec will be fought between Conservatives and the Max Bernier gang- if he puts one together and |I suspect he will!!!!!!!

Bernier is well aware that Quebec has ALWAYS been much more critical of potential immigrants!!!!!! For instance- under Quebec language law- NO immigrant child may attend an English language school - UNLESS they have already had education in English schools! All others who do not speak either of our official languages MUST attend French language schools!

This will go over well with \Haitians who mostly Do speak French already- but it will NOT sit well with any other illegals who regard English as the passport to a wider world!!!!!!!

LIE-befrals will have NO friends in Quebec in the next election!!!!!!!!

AS for the eastern provinces- in 2014 New Brunswick- population 751,000 ran a FOURTEEN BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT!!!!! SO as long as Federal LIE-berals are willing to keep our impoverished eastern cousins fiscally afloat- we may see support for LIE-berals in that area!!!!!!!!

Best of all- for New Brunswick LIE-berals- only a few illegals want to settle there because the economy is so limited- so not much friction over immigration!

AS for Newfoundland- they are angry over the LIE-beral equalization payments and figure they are being short changed........not to many LIE-beral friends in eastern Canada!!!!!!!!!!!

So- tell me again THAT IT IS NOT LIE-berals who are in full damage control mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seig |Heil!!!!!!!!!!
 

Curious Cdn

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There was a billion things to criticize under Harper.

Whatever your beef was with Harper or his government, I challenge you to name one item that has been "fixed" since then.
 

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Pipeline.

That was easy.

Which one??

Northern Gateway - cancelled
Keystone XL - cancelled, reinstated, delayed
Energy East - cancelled
Mackenzie pipeline - cancelled
Pacific Northwest pipeline - cancelled
Kinder Morgan - cancelled, bought out by government, delayed until further notice

Stellar performance!!
 
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