WARMINGTON: Father of Confederation's statue history but his legacy can't be erased

Walter

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White people feel guilty. Sometimes, that is appropriate. What is not appropriate is re-writing one's history because it makes you feel guilty.
I feel no guilt for what people did in previous centuries.
 

Curious Cdn

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I feel no guilt for what people did in previous centuries.

Nor I. I am responsible for what I've done not for what the long dead have done.

Our math came from neanderthal human CAUCASIAN hybrids who had "0" over 5000 years ago, not from Racially colored "sages".
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It was a hOly thing...don'tcha know?

The "zero" from India is older than 5000 years. Also, the last pure Neanderthal died maybe 30,000 years ago.

Just sayin'

Take your meds.
 

Curious Cdn

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not sure how taking down a statue is rewriting history.

Trying to forget one's history is re-writing it. Your history is your history, good stuff, bad stuff. Taking down MacDonald's (and Cornwallis') statues is an attempt to make perceived bad stuff "go away". It's rather childish to do do, in fact.
 

CaptainTrips

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not sure how taking down a statue is rewriting history.

The statue is going to be replaced by a plaque that will have these words:


"We will keep the public informed as the Witness Reconciliation Program unfolds, and as we find a way to recontextualize Macdonald in an appropriate way,"

So, Canadian history involving the founding father is going to be "recontextualized". Sounds like a rewrite to me.
 

Hoid

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Trying to forget one's history is re-writing it. Your history is your history, good stuff, bad stuff. Taking down MacDonald's (and Cornwallis') statues is an attempt to make perceived bad stuff "go away". It's rather childish to do do, in fact.
I don't think it has anything to do with making anything go away, other than the mindless veneration of a jackass.
 

CaptainTrips

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I don't think it has anything to do with making anything go away, other than the mindless veneration of a jackass.

So, in your opinion, this country was created by a jackass. Is that why you want to give it back to the Indians?
 

Curious Cdn

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I don't think it has anything to do with making anything go away, other than the mindless veneration of a jackass.

One man's jackass is another man's hero.

I've noticed that almost no one saw fit to raise statues to Pierre Elliot Trudeau. There are probably more tributes to RB Bennett than to PET around the country.
 

justducky

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So, in your opinion, this country was created by a jackass. Is that why you want to give it back to the Indians?
Wanting indigenous to have agency in their own lives and with their own traditions is not giving the country back to them. There is lots of government owned land. Not being used. Why not make deals with the firstcomers. And there are two communities right outside of Victoria who were offended. So the statue comes down. Big deal. Conservatives are all about suppressing the people's greatness so they don't advocate on their own behalf or share in the wealth with ceos. The conservatives cloak. They suppress. Same as in the USA. Why else would Harper run to Toronto to meet two pandas and welcome them to Canada instead of staying in Ottawa and meeting the idle no more kids who had marched 1,500 km from northern Quebec. He was so interested in it not giving agency to the youth and their followers. It is an activity on the right. 'Cloaking' (TM). Ceos can't pay shitty wages to people who know their true value.
 

Walter

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The statue is going to be replaced by a plaque that will have these words:


"We will keep the public informed as the Witness Reconciliation Program unfolds, and as we find a way to recontextualize Macdonald in an appropriate way,"

So, Canadian history involving the founding father is going to be "recontextualized". Sounds like a rewrite to me.
Peoplekind.
 

Cliffy

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justducky

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The statue is going to be replaced by a plaque that will have these words:


"We will keep the public informed as the Witness Reconciliation Program unfolds, and as we find a way to recontextualize Macdonald in an appropriate way,"

So, Canadian history involving the founding father is going to be "recontextualized". Sounds like a rewrite to me.

Go to the big box book store and look in the history section. History is rewritten all the time. Why not statues?
 

CaptainTrips

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Wanting indigenous to have agency in their own lives and with their own traditions is not giving the country back to them. There is lots of government owned land. Not being used. Why not make deals with the firstcomers. And there are two communities right outside of Victoria who were offended. So the statue comes down. Big deal. Conservatives are all about suppressing the people's greatness so they don't advocate on their own behalf or share in the wealth with ceos. The conservatives cloak. They suppress. Same as in the USA. Why else would Harper run to Toronto to meet two pandas and welcome them to Canada instead of staying in Ottawa and meeting the idle no more kids who had marched 1,500 km from northern Quebec. He was so interested in it not giving agency to the youth and their followers. It is an activity on the right. 'Cloaking' (TM). Ceos can't pay shitty wages to people who know their true value.

If indigenous people want agency in their own lives why don't they demand an end to the Indian Act.

Making deals with Indian bands is not easy. The BC Treaty Commission has been conducting multi-table negotiations with over 60 bands since the 90s. It is costing the province billions even though Indian Affairs is constitutionally a federal responsibility. Some treaties have been signed in that time, but not that many. About 40 other bands refuse to come to the table.


Go to the big box book store and look in the history section. History is rewritten all the time. Why not statues?

Ever read 1984? In that nightmare history was constantly being rewritten. You really want to go there? Better read the book.
 

justducky

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If indigenous people want agency in their own lives why don't they demand an end to the Indian Act


They are trying to evolve it.

Making deals with Indian bands is not easy. The BC Treaty Commission has been conducting multi-table negotiations with over 60 bands since the 90s. It is costing the province billions even though Indian Affairs is constitutionally a federal responsibility. Some treaties have been signed in that time, but not that many. About 40 other bands refuse to come to the table.

Was a Supreme Court Case in the 1980s. Canadian and BC Government so dominated the indigenous people there in the 1800s that the government didn't bother signing treaties 150 years ago (unlike in the Eastern canada where peace treaties were really about making peace 200 to 300 years ago). Big mistake. Now they have to negotiate. (and maybe, as it is the human rights age, maybe the government will honor the treaties they sign today).
 

Cliffy

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Paying tribute to assholes is our historic legacy. Instead of tearing down statues we should be rewriting history books to reflect the truth. But the west has always made heroes out of scumbags.