Two more Brits Poisoned

Ocean Breeze

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Nerve agent that poisoned ex-spy has been identified in incident that left two Britons in critical condition, British police say

Novichok was the Russian chemical weapon that poisoned former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter four months ago in Salisbury, England. Wednesday's incident happened after the affected couple had visited the town.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.166de4db86f5&wpisrc=al_world__world&wpmk=1


Deadly game. Right out of a Tom Clancy novel......... but real.
 

bill barilko

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Probably poisoned by Briddish 'food'-can you imagine eating crap like this for breakfast?

 

Ocean Breeze

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Probably poisoned by Briddish 'food'-can you imagine eating crap like this for breakfast?

When in England...;-)

Kippers is another favorite.

But seriously..... this toxic stuff Nerve agent...... is not good. One never knows........Is it random or targeted??
 

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Novichok was the Russian chemical weapon that poisoned former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter four months ago in Salisbury,

Bullsh!t.
 

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Don't you eat bacon and sausages in Canada? I bet you're one of those idiots who eat Muesli for breakfast.

I rarely eat either and I certainly don't mix them up with 2000 calories of carbs around them on the same plate. I'm not plowing fields for 14 hours a day like my ancestors in Britain did. Maybe, that's why Canadians live longer than Brits.

I'm one of those idiots who eats meusli for breakfast three or four times a week. I alternate it with soft boiled eggs .... a favorite of mine.
 

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I rarely eat either and I certainly don't mix them up with 2000 calories of carbs around them on the same plate. Maybe, that's why Canadians live longer than Brits.

I'm one of those idiots who eats meusli for breakfast three or four times a week. I alternate it with soft boiled eggs .... a favorite of mine.

Well, for one, the life expectancies of Britain and Canada are almost exactly the same and, secondly, the full English is the healthiest breakfast there is.
 

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Or you could look at this one, where there is hardly any difference at all between the two, male life expectancy in particular (on average, Canadian men live a whopping 0.8 years longer than British men): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

We both notably live a couple of years longer that the average American and the gap is steadily opening up. That would be because the Americans have the bestest health care system of all time on this planet. Just ask any Yank.
 

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U.K. murder probe opened as 1 of 2 nerve agent victims dies
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July 8, 2018 6:47 PM EDT
LONDON — A woman who was poisoned by a military-grade nerve agent in southwest England died Sunday, eight days after police think she touched a contaminated item that has not been found.
London’s Metropolitan Police force said detectives had become a homicide investigation with 44-year-old Dawn Sturgess’s death at a hospital in Salisbury. She and her boyfriend, Charlie Rowley, 45, were admitted June 30 after falling ill a few miles away in Amesbury; Rowley remains in critical condition.
Tests at Britain’s defence research laboratory showed the pair was exposed to Novichok, the same type of nerve agent used to poison a former Russian spy and his daughter in Salisbury in March. Police suspect Rowley and Sturgess handled a discarded item from the first attack, though they have not determined for certain that the two cases are linked.
Britain blames the Russian state for the attack on Sergei Skripal and his 33-year-old daughter — an allegation Moscow strongly denies.
Prime Minister Theresa May said she was “appalled and shocked” by Sturgess’s death.
“Police and security officials are working urgently to establish the facts of this incident, which is now being treated as murder,” May said.
Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, Britain’s top anti-terrorism police officer, said the death “has only served to strengthen our resolve” to find those responsible.
More than 100 detectives have been working alongside local officers to locate a small vial or other container thought to have held the nerve agent that sickened the two. Officials say the search and cleanup operation will take weeks or even month.
Counterterrorism police are also studying roughly 1,300 hours of closed circuit television footage in hopes of finding clues about the couple’s activities in the hours before they became violently ill.
The British defence lab determined earlier that Novichok, a type of nerve agent developed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War, was used on Sergei Skripal, a former Russian intelligence officer once convicted in his homeland of spying for Britain.
The 67-year-old ex-agent was living in Salisbury, a cathedral city 90 miles (145 kilometres) southwest of London, when he was struck down along with his daughter, Yulia, who was visiting him.
They spent weeks in critical condition, but have both been discharged from Salisbury District Hospital, the same hospital where Sturgess died.
The Skripal case, which Metropolitan Police detectives are investigating as attempted murder, sparked a diplomatic crisis between Russia and the West, including the expulsion of hundreds of diplomats from both sides.
Police say the nerve agent that sickened Rowley and Sturgess was the same type that almost killed the Skripals, but scientists haven’t been able to tell whether it was from the same batch.
The latest poisonings have further inflamed tensions between London and Moscow. U.K. Home Secretary Sajid Javid has demanded Russia provide information, saying it is unacceptable “for our streets, our parks, our towns to be dumping grounds for poison.”
Confirmation from authorities Wednesday that two British citizens were exposed to Novichok shook residents around Salisbury, who thought a months-long cleanup had removed any threat from the powerful nerve agent.
Kier Pritchard, head of the county police force in Wiltshire, acknowledged that Sturgess’s death “is likely to raise the level of concern in Amesbury and Salisbury.”
But he said health authorities continued to assert the risk to the public was low. Police say they don’t think Sturgess and Rowley visited any of the locations decontaminated after the Skripals’ poisoning.
Hospital officials said late Saturday that a number of people including a police officer had sought medical advice in the last week but had been found not to need any treatment.
John Glen, the Conservative Party legislator for the region, said the new poisoning has threatened an economic rebound from the slowdown caused by the attack on the Skripals.
“We need to establish quickly what they came into contact with and where,” he said. “The sentiment in the city is frustration, we want to get back to normal.”
http://torontosun.com/news/world/uk-official-reassures-residents-risk-is-low-in-poisoning-case
 

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British couple poisoned by 'high dose' of nerve agent: Police
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Assistant Commissioner of Specialist Operations Neil Basu at New Scotland Yard reads a statement to the media outside New Scotland Yard on July 9, 2018 in London, England. (Dan Kitwood/Getty Images)
LONDON — British police said Monday they believe the latest victims of poisoning by a nerve agent must have handled the material’s container and been subjected to a “high dose” of the lethal poison.
Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said the death of 44-year-old Dawn Sturgess on Sunday shows that she and partner Charlie Rowley, 45, were exposed to a large quantity of Novichok, a military-grade nerve agent produced in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Basu said the working theory is that their exposure was linked to the earlier Novichok attack in March on ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, who have both survived despite extended hospitalizations.
Britain has blamed Russia for the poisonings, but Moscow has strongly denied any involvement.
The wide investigation is now a homicide inquiry. Basu expressed sorrow for the death of Sturgess, who had three children.
“Her death has only served to strengthen the resolve of the investigations team,” he said, saying the immediate police priority is to find any container that may be the source of the Novichok.
He said no one else in the Amesbury and Salisbury region where the couple lived in southwestern England has shown any sign of Novichok poisoning.
More than 100 police are working to try and search all areas where Sturgess and Rowley had been before they became ill nine days ago. The search is focused on their homes and a park in Salisbury.
Rowley remains in critical condition in a Salisbury hospital.
Britain blames the Russian state for the attack on Sergei Skripal and his 33-year-old daughter — an allegation Moscow has repeatedly denied.
A Kremlin spokesman Monday expressed condolences over Sturgess’ death.
Dmitry Peskov told reporters that Moscow “is deeply concerned” over the poisoning cases in Britain. Peskov added that such attacks present a danger not only inside the U.K., but also in Europe as a whole.
Peskov said that linking Russia to the poisoning would be “absurd.”
Asked whether the death could cloud the upcoming U.S.-Russia summit in Helsinki next week, Peskov replied that the poisoning “has no relation” to the meeting. He said, “It’s Britain’s problem and the problem of how interested Britain is in a real investigation.”
Moscow says London has declined its offers for a joint investigation into the poisonings.
http://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1016284247089434624
http://news.sky.com/story/live-police-update-on-amesbury-novichok-murder-11430980
http://torontosun.com/news/world/british-couple-poisoned-by-high-dose-of-nerve-agent-police
 

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LOL-I see someone doesn't like my pointing out that the deceased was a hard drug user-the fact is that when ambulance were first called they diagnosed hard drug overdose since the 'patient' was notorious.

And of course after all this time there's still no proof of a Russian connection of any kind.
 

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If this so called 'Russian poison' is so effective why is no one dead?

Oh dear...

LOL-I see someone doesn't like my pointing out that the deceased was a hard drug user-the fact is that when ambulance were first called they diagnosed hard drug overdose since the 'patient' was notorious.

And of course after all this time there's still no proof of a Russian connection of any kind.

Ewan (Dawn's son) blasted claims Dawn and Charlie, an ex-heroin addict, were searching for drugs when they came into contact with the Russian nerve agent – the same as that used in the March attack on ex-spy Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia.

Ewan said: “Mum has had an alcohol problem for six years and has been living in supported accommodation.

“She’s completely anti-drugs and, in terms of alcohol, she has cleaned herself up and is looking a lot better.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-novichok-victim-dawn-sturgess-12880802

Fatal Novichok dose 'came from bottle' in victim's house

13 July 2018
BBC News


Dawn Sturgess died on Sunday after falling ill on 30 June

Novichok that poisoned a couple in Wiltshire came from a small bottle found in the home of one of the victims, police say.

A bottle was found in a search at Charlie Rowley's Amesbury house and was tested by scientists at Porton Down, the Metropolitan Police said.

Mr Rowley, 45, remains in hospital in Salisbury in a serious but stable condition after falling ill on 30 June.

His partner Dawn Sturgess, 44, died last weekend.

Scientists at the Defence, Science and Technology Laboratory are still trying to establish whether the deadly substance found at Mr Rowley's house came from the same batch of Novichok that contaminated Sergei and Yulia Skripal in March.

Cordons remain

Police said they were still trying to find out where the bottle came from, and why it ended up in the house.

Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, the head of UK Counter Terrorism Policing, said it was "clearly a significant and positive development".

"However, we cannot guarantee that there isn't any more of the substance left and cordons will remain in place for some considerable time," he added.

"This is to allow thorough searches to continue as a precautionary measure for public safety and to assist the investigation team."


Charlie Rowley remains at Salisbury District Hospital after regaining consciousness earlier this week

A spokesman said detectives had spoken to Mr Rowley and were due to speak to him again to establish how he and Ms Sturgess came to be contaminated.

A murder inquiry was started following the death of Ms Sturgess, a mother of three, on Sunday.

The discovery of the bottle comes as the Foreign Office announced independent chemical weapons experts would arrive in the UK next week to assist with the investigation.

Staff from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) will travel to the UK to independently confirm the identity of the nerve agent which led to Ms Sturgess's death.

The samples will be analysed at "highly reputable international laboratories designated by the OPCW", a spokesman said.

Wiltshire Police Chief Constable Kier Pritchard said the discovery of the bottle was "significant and encouraging".

He said private security guards would join officers on some of the cordons from next week, as the investigation continued.

"This will free up some Wiltshire Police officers to get back to supporting day-to-day community policing,"

About 100 detectives from the Counter Terrorism Policing Network are continuing to work on the investigation, alongside colleagues from Wiltshire Police, a spokesman said.

Analysis

BBC Security Correspondent Gordon Corera


The bottle was found at Mr Rowley's home in Amesbury

The discovery of the bottle is a significant moment.

It will help reassure residents in the local area that the risks to their health have been reduced, although the police say they cannot guarantee no more of the substance is left.

And it also may provide a significant piece of evidence in trying to establish how Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley came to be poisoned - and what link there might be with the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.

The working assumption of police is that the bottle was a container discarded after the March poisoning.

It may now be possible to establish a scientific link by trying to match impurities in both samples of Novichok to see if the nerve agent comes from the same batch.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44827666