Tesla's electric cars aren't as green as you might think

petros

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Bahahahahahhahaha Dodge isn't going bankrupt

Fabbrica (Fix) Italiana (It) Automobili (Again) Torino (Tony) FIAT:

Founded to manufacturer engines for road, rail, tractors and airplane, the Italian company started manufacturing cars eventually and went on to acquire Chrysler in 2009 when the latler filed for bankruptcy protection (Chapter 11) and formed FCA as a subsidiary company. The company currently owns Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Maserati, and all other Chrysler brands including Jeep, Dodge, RAM, and SRT.
Fiat also acquired 50% stake in Ferrari in 1969 and expanded its stake to 90% in 1988. Later, in October 2014 FCA announced its intentions to separate from Ferrari and the process started in October 2015 that established Ferrari as a separate company from 3rd Jan 2016.
 

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After Mercedes left them holding the bag during the world recession, they came back stronger than ever with Fiat, GM was in worse shape, and ford got their loan the year before.
 

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They sold garbage. How many Chrysler 200s or 300s do you still see on the road?

Then there is the Scaryvans and Jeeps jumping in and out if gear killing people.

They are still hurting.
 

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Yep just like CN, Air Canada, Bombardier, etc. in Canada, so what? they are still in business and at least they paid back their loans

They sold garbage. How many Chrysler 200s or 300s do you still see on the road?

Then there is the Scaryvans and Jeeps jumping in and out if gear killing people.

They are still hurting.

Sounds like you dislike Dodge Lol
 

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Elon Musk has just- FINALLY - admitted that his Tesla model 3 has a braking issue!!!!


Using our tax money to create a brand new source of LIE-BERAL GRAVY is going to destroy the LIE-beral Party!


And by the way- |I really enjoyed the way you ducked away from that silly remark about electric TOY cars on race tracks!!!!!


Of course only a couple of them have made it out of the factory yet so the recall amounted to one towtruck (diesel)making 3 trips.

They went tits up in 2009

Not even close. NBut they did shed a lot of liabilities.
 

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The basic electric motor hasn't changed in any substantive manner since its invention in the 1800s


Really? You might find this interesting.


A modern electric motor and its associated drive system can produce the same amount of power as one from 1910, but in a package that is a fifth the size, says Andrew Peters, who runs Siemens’s drive factory in Congleton, in the north-west of England. The latest designs are extremely efficient: some big electric motors can now turn 97-98% of the electricity put into them into mechanical energy. Even the best internal-combustion engines can manage only about 45%. Small gains in efficiency mean big savings in cost, says Mr Peters. The cost of an electric motor and its drive represents just 1-1.5% of the cost of the electricity it will consume over a 20-to-25-year operating lifetime.

https://www.economist.com/science-a...ors-improve-more-things-are-being-electrified


They sold garbage. How many Chrysler 200s or 300s do you still see on the road?

Then there is the Scaryvans and Jeeps jumping in and out if gear killing people.

They are still hurting.




I bought a Chrysler product. Once!
 

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Really? You might find this interesting.


A modern electric motor and its associated drive system can produce the same amount of power as one from 1910, but in a package that is a fifth the size, says Andrew Peters, who runs Siemens’s drive factory in Congleton, in the north-west of England. The latest designs are extremely efficient: some big electric motors can now turn 97-98% of the electricity put into them into mechanical energy. Even the best internal-combustion engines can manage only about 45%. Small gains in efficiency mean big savings in cost, says Mr Peters. The cost of an electric motor and its drive represents just 1-1.5% of the cost of the electricity it will consume over a 20-to-25-year operating lifetime.

https://www.economist.com/science-a...ors-improve-more-things-are-being-electrified







I bought a Chrysler product. Once!




And the THREE GREAT weaknesses of electric Toy vehicles STILL REMAIN IN PLACE!!!


First is COST- a Tesla model 3 costs $35 grand in U.S. dollars and a Nissan Qashqai costs $20 grand in Cdn dollars- TESLA is TWICE THE COST!


Second is battery range- which a we now know is BADLY compromised when the weather cools! AS for usable battery range after 2-3 months in daily sub zero temperature- NOBODY has tested that- EXCEPT our TTC that bought battery buses and then SCRAPPED THEM!


Third is refueling speed- which REMAINS CUMBERSOME! The LIE-beral program to get fast chargers installed in Toronto area has so far FAILED! At last report- Less than half the chargers LIE-berals contracted for were actually installed! In addition a significant number were BROKEN! Others FAILED to give top level charging speed and instead delivered charging rates that took many hours to complete!


This crap is NOT innovative technology- it is a HUGE LIE-beral GRAVY GRAB by LIE-berals seeking ONLY to suck off enough gravy from their mouldy green energy scam so they can buy civil service Hog votes and cling to power at any price!



And interested taxpayers should beware of NDP since ETFO- our elementary school teachers union has thrown its support behind NDP!


Not only is there no loyalty between Hogs -it appears that NDPers have offered MORE GRAVY to ETFO than LIE-berals did- meaning another round of mad tax and spend Rae Days MADNESS if Horvath should become premier!
 

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And the THREE GREAT weaknesses of electric Toy vehicles STILL REMAIN IN PLACE!!!


First is COST- a Tesla model 3 costs $35 grand in U.S. dollars and a Nissan Qashqai costs $20 grand in Cdn dollars- TESLA is TWICE THE COST!


Second is battery range- which a we now know is BADLY compromised when the weather cools! AS for usable battery range after 2-3 months in daily sub zero temperature- NOBODY has tested that- EXCEPT our TTC that bought battery buses and then SCRAPPED THEM!


Third is refueling speed- which REMAINS CUMBERSOME! The LIE-beral program to get fast chargers installed in Toronto area has so far FAILED! At last report- Less than half the chargers LIE-berals contracted for were actually installed! In addition a significant number were BROKEN! Others FAILED to give top level charging speed and instead delivered charging rates that took many hours to complete!




I'm not worried. Every negative you posted was pretty much true of the automobile when it first came out. New tech is always expensive when it first comes out. Remember how much the first flat screen TV you bought cost? And just in cast you really don't understand the advantages of electric cars here are a few:


1. They don't pollute. City air will be much cleaner when electrics replace the internal combustion engine.
2. They are quiet. There is much less engine noise making a ride quieter and the over-all urban environment quieter.
3. They require much less maintenance. Electric motors have very few moving parts and will run for years without repairs or the various oil changes and tune-ups required by internal combustion engines.
4. They are cheaper to run. Electricity costs less than diesel or gasoline.
 

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And the bonus is they are hugely subsidized by the taxpayer. From construction to purchase to not paying road tas. Still nobody wants one.
 

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And the bonus is they are hugely subsidized by the taxpayer. From construction to purchase to not paying road tas. Still nobody wants one.


Bar Silly Sister is not worried about the cost of electric cars because he is too busy dreaming in technicolour about his much longed for hallucination about the collapse of western civilization!



Bar Silly Sister is a Muslim agent urging our idiot LIE-berals forward to ever more stupid and destructive actions!



Here is an article illustrating just how fully Our idiot Boy Justin Trudope is trying to hoodwink Cdns. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau says criticism over social issues in NAFTA talks shows Conservatives just don't get it.

(Our idiot Boy is of course using Nafta “negotiations” to demonstrate his disdain for all things Yankee! Our idiot Boy- who is famous for never reading a newspaper and for relying on others to tell him when something important happens- has bought into the Snowflake delusion that Trump will somehow be impeached or committed to an insane asylum- or otherwise taken off the field before he has the chance to ruin the Cdn economy by killing NAFTA and imposing sanctions! Our idiot Boy is gambling - AND LOSING!)

By PAOLA LORIGGIO, THE CANADIAN PRESS. FIRST POSTED: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 01:55 PM EDT | UPDATED: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 02:56 PM EDT

Related Stories
Trudeau criticizes Tories for showing Khadr 'domestic squabble' ahead of NAFTA negotiations
Canada’s NAFTA objectives include new ‘progressive’ chapters
Tories offer non-partisan NAFTA support but tell Liberals to drop 'virtue signalling'

TORONTO — The strongest opposition to including issues such as gender equality in discussions over the North American Free Trade Agreement has come not from the United States but from within Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Monday.

(Yankees do not need to speak scornfully of Trudope NAFTA demands- Yankees consider Our idiot Boy can espouse any idiot values he wants- at home- but Yankees simply reject LIE-beral nonsense!)

Speaking during a question and answer session at the first Toronto edition of the Women in the World conference, the prime minister said his government has faced hurdles in adding a gender chapter to NAFTA as it did in a free trade deal with Chile.

“The pushback we’re getting is actually not from south of the border, the pushback we’re getting is from Canadian Conservatives, who said ‘Oh no this is about economics, it’s about jobs... it’s not about rhetorical flourishes of being good on environment or being good on gender,”’ Trudeau said.

(I suggest that the value of the “gender chapter” negotiated with Chile might not be worth the paper it is printed on! That gender chapter is as useful and valid as the Paris Accord that is so beloved of Our idiot Boy- in spite of the Paris Accord being entirely voluntary and with NO mechanism in place to verify whatever virtue signalling nonsense that signers of the Accord chose to spew later on!)

Erin O'Toole ? @ErinOTooleMP suggests:
Working with gov't on #NAFTA may mean constantly reminding them that it is a trade agreement not a campaign platform.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...eep-focus-on-economics-party-critic-says.html …5:48 PM - Sep 4, 2017

(Our idiot Boy keeps acting as if he was dealing with a mixed bunch of Islamic clerics and celibate Catholic priests- with the entire group of clerics whining that woman is the source of Original Sin- instead of dealing with The Great Republic- whose women can generally look after themselves!)

“To see that there is a supposedly responsible political party out there that still doesn’t get that gender equality is a fundamental economic issue as well as many other things, that environmental responsibility is fundamentally an economic issue highlights that we do have a lot of work still to do in Canada.”

(And what makes Our idiot Boy think his family hostility to Yankees ENTITLES him to lecture Yankees on civil rights that are just like ours - while risking economic catastrophe if Trump tires of idiot antics and closes the border?)

Trudeau has positioned himself as a champion of gender equality since taking office, when he explained his decision to appoint a half-female cabinet with the headline-grabbing quip, “because it’s 2015.”

(Trudope has also positioned himself as a silver spoon socialist with a DANGEROUS fondness for Cdn legislation that turns free speech- meaning Cdn criticism of ANY LIE-beral policy- into Hate Crime - at the whim of a LIE-beral appointed judge in a Human Rights Kangaroo court that operates WITHOUT bothering with standard rules of evidence as would be the case in any other kind of criminal trial!)

But he told the conference Monday that despite his government’s efforts to bolster the ranks of women in politics, retention has proven a challenge, in large part due to the vitriol aimed at female politicians.

(Clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson has spoken on this issue of retention of upper echelon females- and he states it is simply due to women not wanting to be bothered working 70- 90 hours per week- so they skip the upper level jobs! Numbers produced by Ontari-owe health ministry bear out Peterson`s claim- as the number of female doctors rises- the number of hours actually worked by doctors has dropped as female doctors feel more desire to be home with family- and balance work and home life more smoothly than male doctors! Such home life balance is good for women doctors but it is bad for Ontari-owe as we now need many more doctors to get the same level of service!)

Trudeau said it is his goal to tackle the “hidden attitudes” that lead to inequity but stressed the matter won’t be resolved during his tenure -- rather, it will take generations.

(The most important hidden attitudes that need to be addressed are the ones related to Trudope family loyalty and admiration for dictators and despots! Pierre Trudope heaped fawning praise on Chinese Chairman Mao for “his genius in rushing thirty million Chinese to the gallows” during the “Great Leap Forward”! Our idiot Boy praises Chinese leaders for “the way they get things done”! And Sacha Trudope has told us that Cuban Soviet dictator Castro was the greatest South American leader of the 20th century and much superior to any merely elected leader”! Sacha has also collaborated with Iranian propaganda makers in producing films that are anti Yankee and anti Israel! Trudope family values are oriented towards despots! Even worse Our idiot Boy Justin has worked HARD to splinter and paralyze our parliament with his electoral reform crap! The idiot Boy wants our parliament paralyzed using multiple splinter groups and turned into a spending machine that cannot be turned OFF- as has happened in Italy and Greece!)

The Liberal government recently tabled a federal budget that promised to consider the way programs and policies impact different genders in different ways.

(In other words LIE-berals are looking for ways to BUY the votes of gullible Cdn women!)

But the government is also facing criticism over the troubled national inquiry into missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls, with some families calling for a complete reboot of the process.

(The Murdered and Missing Inquiry is nothing more than a cynical LIE-beral virtue signalling propaganda piece designed to gather native votes- too bad natives actually thought LIE-berals would present something new- so now the mess is stewing in its own poisoned and quite bigoted political juices!)

When asked about the controversy during Monday’s talk, Trudeau admitted there were some difficulties but said the process was “on the right track.”

(Yeah- LIE-berals are working hard to convince natives that all other whites are systemic racists and that natives must close their eyes to reality and trust despotic and quite hypocritical LIE-berals!)
 

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And the bonus is they are hugely subsidized by the taxpayer. From construction to purchase to not paying road tas. Still nobody wants one.


And so was the early internal combustion engine. To a certain extent it still is. And then there are the huge worldwide subsidies to oil companies.

Bar Silly Sister is not worried about the cost of electric cars because he is too busy dreaming in technicolour about his much longed for hallucination about the collapse of western civilization!



Bar Silly Sister is a Muslim agent urging our idiot LIE-berals forward to ever more stupid and destructive actions!



Here is an article illustrating just how fully Our idiot Boy Justin Trudope is trying to hoodwink Cdns. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau says criticism over social issues in NAFTA talks shows Conservatives just don't get it.

(Our idiot Boy is of course using Nafta “negotiations” to demonstrate his disdain for all things Yankee! Our idiot Boy- who is famous for never reading a newspaper and for relying on others to tell him when something important happens- has bought into the Snowflake delusion that Trump will somehow be impeached or committed to an insane asylum- or otherwise taken off the field before he has the chance to ruin the Cdn economy by killing NAFTA and imposing sanctions! Our idiot Boy is gambling - AND LOSING!)

By PAOLA LORIGGIO, THE CANADIAN PRESS. FIRST POSTED: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 01:55 PM EDT | UPDATED: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2017 02:56 PM EDT

Related Stories
Trudeau criticizes Tories for showing Khadr 'domestic squabble' ahead of NAFTA negotiations
Canada’s NAFTA objectives include new ‘progressive’ chapters
Tories offer non-partisan NAFTA support but tell Liberals to drop 'virtue signalling'

TORONTO — The strongest opposition to including issues such as gender equality in discussions over the North American Free Trade Agreement has come not from the United States but from within Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Monday.

(Yankees do not need to speak scornfully of Trudope NAFTA demands- Yankees consider Our idiot Boy can espouse any idiot values he wants- at home- but Yankees simply reject LIE-beral nonsense!)

Speaking during a question and answer session at the first Toronto edition of the Women in the World conference, the prime minister said his government has faced hurdles in adding a gender chapter to NAFTA as it did in a free trade deal with Chile.

“The pushback we’re getting is actually not from south of the border, the pushback we’re getting is from Canadian Conservatives, who said ‘Oh no this is about economics, it’s about jobs... it’s not about rhetorical flourishes of being good on environment or being good on gender,”’ Trudeau said.

(I suggest that the value of the “gender chapter” negotiated with Chile might not be worth the paper it is printed on! That gender chapter is as useful and valid as the Paris Accord that is so beloved of Our idiot Boy- in spite of the Paris Accord being entirely voluntary and with NO mechanism in place to verify whatever virtue signalling nonsense that signers of the Accord chose to spew later on!)

Erin O'Toole ? @ErinOTooleMP suggests:
Working with gov't on #NAFTA may mean constantly reminding them that it is a trade agreement not a campaign platform.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...eep-focus-on-economics-party-critic-says.html …5:48 PM - Sep 4, 2017

(Our idiot Boy keeps acting as if he was dealing with a mixed bunch of Islamic clerics and celibate Catholic priests- with the entire group of clerics whining that woman is the source of Original Sin- instead of dealing with The Great Republic- whose women can generally look after themselves!)

“To see that there is a supposedly responsible political party out there that still doesn’t get that gender equality is a fundamental economic issue as well as many other things, that environmental responsibility is fundamentally an economic issue highlights that we do have a lot of work still to do in Canada.”

(And what makes Our idiot Boy think his family hostility to Yankees ENTITLES him to lecture Yankees on civil rights that are just like ours - while risking economic catastrophe if Trump tires of idiot antics and closes the border?)

Trudeau has positioned himself as a champion of gender equality since taking office, when he explained his decision to appoint a half-female cabinet with the headline-grabbing quip, “because it’s 2015.”

(Trudope has also positioned himself as a silver spoon socialist with a DANGEROUS fondness for Cdn legislation that turns free speech- meaning Cdn criticism of ANY LIE-beral policy- into Hate Crime - at the whim of a LIE-beral appointed judge in a Human Rights Kangaroo court that operates WITHOUT bothering with standard rules of evidence as would be the case in any other kind of criminal trial!)

But he told the conference Monday that despite his government’s efforts to bolster the ranks of women in politics, retention has proven a challenge, in large part due to the vitriol aimed at female politicians.

(Clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson has spoken on this issue of retention of upper echelon females- and he states it is simply due to women not wanting to be bothered working 70- 90 hours per week- so they skip the upper level jobs! Numbers produced by Ontari-owe health ministry bear out Peterson`s claim- as the number of female doctors rises- the number of hours actually worked by doctors has dropped as female doctors feel more desire to be home with family- and balance work and home life more smoothly than male doctors! Such home life balance is good for women doctors but it is bad for Ontari-owe as we now need many more doctors to get the same level of service!)

Trudeau said it is his goal to tackle the “hidden attitudes” that lead to inequity but stressed the matter won’t be resolved during his tenure -- rather, it will take generations.

(The most important hidden attitudes that need to be addressed are the ones related to Trudope family loyalty and admiration for dictators and despots! Pierre Trudope heaped fawning praise on Chinese Chairman Mao for “his genius in rushing thirty million Chinese to the gallows” during the “Great Leap Forward”! Our idiot Boy praises Chinese leaders for “the way they get things done”! And Sacha Trudope has told us that Cuban Soviet dictator Castro was the greatest South American leader of the 20th century and much superior to any merely elected leader”! Sacha has also collaborated with Iranian propaganda makers in producing films that are anti Yankee and anti Israel! Trudope family values are oriented towards despots! Even worse Our idiot Boy Justin has worked HARD to splinter and paralyze our parliament with his electoral reform crap! The idiot Boy wants our parliament paralyzed using multiple splinter groups and turned into a spending machine that cannot be turned OFF- as has happened in Italy and Greece!)

The Liberal government recently tabled a federal budget that promised to consider the way programs and policies impact different genders in different ways.

(In other words LIE-berals are looking for ways to BUY the votes of gullible Cdn women!)

But the government is also facing criticism over the troubled national inquiry into missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls, with some families calling for a complete reboot of the process.

(The Murdered and Missing Inquiry is nothing more than a cynical LIE-beral virtue signalling propaganda piece designed to gather native votes- too bad natives actually thought LIE-berals would present something new- so now the mess is stewing in its own poisoned and quite bigoted political juices!)

When asked about the controversy during Monday’s talk, Trudeau admitted there were some difficulties but said the process was “on the right track.”

(Yeah- LIE-berals are working hard to convince natives that all other whites are systemic racists and that natives must close their eyes to reality and trust despotic and quite hypocritical LIE-berals!)




NICE POST MORON. IT'S STUPIDITY RANKS RINGHT UP THERE WITH ALL YOUR OTHERS. Oh look, I know where the caps lock button is too..
 

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And so was the early internal combustion engine. To a certain extent it still is. And then there are the huge worldwide subsidies to oil companies.






NICE POST MORON. IT'S STUPIDITY RANKS RINGHT UP THERE WITH ALL YOUR OTHERS. Oh look, I know where the caps lock button is too..


You spelled "right" wrong by the way. And finding the caps button is not nearly as handy as actually finding some honest political point to discuss! You Bar Silly Sister sadly are pointless!



Here is an article illustrating how little LIE-berals care for justice and fair play. And it reveals how arrogant and destructive they can be while on the RUTHLESS HUNT FOR MORE GRAVY! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberal wind disaster shafted rural Ontario

First posted: Thursday, September 29, 2016 06:04 PM EDT

It’s too bad Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government didn’t have its epiphany on the pointlessness of subsidizing any more expensive, unreliable and unneeded wind turbines before it tore apart rural Ontario.

(It is true that when LIE-berals took over the Hydro file- our system was nearing dangerous overload on hot summer days when use was highest - but as always- LIE-berals started with a logical fact- we needed more electricity- and blew it up into madness- laced with cynical gravy gathering options for LIE-berals and their civil service union Hog supporters!)

(LIE-berals have created an electrical system where the most UNRELIABLE and MOST COSTLY type of power generation takes priority over all others! LIE-berals signed extremely generous contracts- with Hog investors- promising to buy any and ALL mouldy green energy produced- REGARDLESS OF OUR NEED! LIE-berals are paying very high prices to Hog allies for their mouldy green with NO WAY TO SHUT OFF PRODUCTION WHEN NOT NEEDED! Wind power production highest on cool, windy days when we have no need for heating or cooling! In addition it takes three full days to run a nuclear reactor up from full stop to full power! Things are so out of whack that LIE-berals are SHUTTING DOWN water generation plants- which is the cheapest and most environmentally sound way to generate electricity- to make room for their mouldy green power! )

(LIE-berals have created an idiot system where we cannot shut off un-needed production- nuclear power is too cumbersome to swiftly shut off and LIE-beral GREED ensures we cannot shut off the mouldy green! In addition, mouldy green power is so unreliable that LIE-berals had to build a bunch of natural gas fired generators and keep them fully fired up and ready- 24/7- to take over when the unreliable moudly green fails to produce yet again! LIE-berals have turned our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals and allies! No wonder they have to keep selling electricity at a loss to Yankees- they DUMP cheap electricity to make room for their COSTLY mouldy green power! Its fiscal greed and madness and its been put in place over all manner of protesters with multiple objections!)

The Liberals’ treatment of rural Ontarians has been a disgrace.

They overrode local planning rights by passing the Green Energy Act of 2009 under Wynne’s predecessor, Dalton McGuinty, then rammed industrial wind factories down their throats.

(It is a signal of the amount of gravy LIE-berals are skimming off their grossly costly mouldy green energy mess that they would shove it forward this way! Such high profits had LIE-berals reacting like Pavlovian dogs- and anything like sound judgement was drowned in that flow of gravy!)

Sometimes, it was hard for people in these communities to believe they were living in a democracy.

(Sadly- the frustrated rural dwellers now have urban dwellers in the same sort of angry dilemma as they watch bus loads of homeless people moving into new shelters in their neighbourhoods- bringing panhandlers, petty theft, drug and alcohol addictions, untreated mental illness, discarded syringes and trash! Urban dwellers have no more say over the location of homeless shelters than rural people had over wind farms! And our “desperate need” for more homeless shelters is being driven by greedy LIE-berals collecting those illegals flooding across our borders- LIE-berals are grabbing up illegals like crazy cat ladies collecting strays!)

Rural communities were torn apart — neighbours cashing in by leasing land to wind developers for turbine construction, against neighbours forced to live in the shadow of the mega-structures.

(And LIE-berals deliberately slanted the legal system against those who would complain of turbine noise! TVO played a documentary of a land mark British case- which Wynne-bag LIE-berals are using as a legal guide- in which a British couple tried to sue for medical problems brought on by the huge turbine planted near their house. The govt produced noise and health studies done on an older turbine- that concluded there was no major problem associated with turbines- too bad for the ANGRY couple the govt study was done on a turbine ONE THIRD the size of the one they complained about- AND the study was done from a LONGER range than they were working with! Case DISMISSED- based on DELIBERATELY misleading information!)

The province received hundreds of complaints about health problems which people believed were being caused by the turbines and suppressed them.

(There were long term studies done of people living around airports and several things were discovered- firstly that some people react more to noise than others! It was also noticed that things like mental illness and divorce are higher around airports- apparently due to the noise disturbing their sleep and making people irritable! There is no reason not to assume that wind turbines can cause similar problems for some people- though since the turbines are quieter than a jet plane we can assume the full mental damage takes much longer to surface- so a quick study will NOT reveal any useful information! Country people have become LONG TERM human guinea pigs for LIE-berals!)

During the 2011 election, the CBC reported government documents released under Freedom of Information legislation showed environment ministry staff had issued internal warnings the province needed stricter rural noise limits on turbines, that it had no reliable way to monitor or enforce them and that computer models for determining setbacks were flawed.

(Oh right- internal documents offering warnings just do NOT cut it compared to the compulsive LIE-beral lust for GRAVY!)

Ontario Provincial Police showed up at the homes of middle-aged women in one rural community who had never been involved in any form of law-breaking, warning them to keep their demonstrations against wind turbines peaceful.

As we reported, these visits were made at the request of a wind developer. The government denied any involvement.

While the Liberals dismissed wind protesters as NIMBYs, they simultaneously cancelled two unpopular natural gas plants in Oakville and Mississauga due to local opposition, at a public cost of $1.1 billion, in what the Tories and NDP dubbed the Liberal seat saver program.

When local residents wrote to Liberal MPPs asking for help in fighting the industrial wind factories imposed on them, they received form letters in reply.

(And why not? Rural dwellers have a history of being anti LIE-beral- so imposing turbines means no votes lost but LOTS OF GRAVY GAINED! LIE-berals WIN!)

For many rural Ontarians, the Liberal blunder into green energy, launched without any meaningful business plan according to the Auditor General of Ontario — and which wasn’t needed to eliminate coal-fired electricity — wasn’t just a case of their government wasting billions of dollars and sending their electricity bills skyrocketing.

(No– the moudly green fiasco is nothing more than a LIE-beral GRAVY GRAB masquerading as environmental policy! The worst of it is the environment would have been better off if LIE-berals had NOT built the mouldy green since it produced a great plume of toxins that were released by the need for all that concrete and steel and carbon fibre and miles of aluminum wiring for turbines! And the power could have been MORE CHEAPLY produced by the natural gas plants LIE-berals HAD TO BUILD to back up UNRELIABLE mouldy green! )

It was a case of their government robbing them of fundamental democratic rights.

(AS mentioned- rural dwellers are not alone in feeling this way- urban dwellers living near homeless shelters feel the same way! And all those who must pay for GREAT GOBS of LIE-beral gravy are also being short changed- they cannot save for retirement, cannot own a house and are at the mercy of landlords! And what of all the commuters jammed onto TTC buses and subways- who do they complain to about LIE-beral greed that puts gravy for Hogs ahead of building more transit? The most deprived Ontarians of all are those who simply cannot find a job- and who do they complain to about their lost opportunities?)

(As I have stated before- the only people who will vote LIE-beral are those who are being PAID to support them! And the supply of gravy is running out as Ontari-owe has become the most indebted sub national entity on the planet- thanks to LIE-beral GREED! And sadly- ETFO- the Elementary Teachers union of Ontari-owe has done a deal with NDP and thrown their support behind the formerly hated NDP! Great gobs of gravy offered during elections make for strange alliances! And NDP is just as hungry for gravy as their LIE-beral cousins- and NDP is now more willing to sell us out to ETFO than LIE-berals will!)
 

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You spelled "right" wrong by the way. And finding the caps button is not nearly as handy as actually finding some honest political point to discuss! You Bar Silly Sister sadly are pointless!



Here is an article illustrating how little LIE-berals care for justice and fair play. And it reveals how arrogant and destructive they can be while on the RUTHLESS HUNT FOR MORE GRAVY! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Liberal wind disaster shafted rural Ontario

First posted: Thursday, September 29, 2016 06:04 PM EDT

It’s too bad Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government didn’t have its epiphany on the pointlessness of subsidizing any more expensive, unreliable and unneeded wind turbines before it tore apart rural Ontario.

(It is true that when LIE-berals took over the Hydro file- our system was nearing dangerous overload on hot summer days when use was highest - but as always- LIE-berals started with a logical fact- we needed more electricity- and blew it up into madness- laced with cynical gravy gathering options for LIE-berals and their civil service union Hog supporters!)

(LIE-berals have created an electrical system where the most UNRELIABLE and MOST COSTLY type of power generation takes priority over all others! LIE-berals signed extremely generous contracts- with Hog investors- promising to buy any and ALL mouldy green energy produced- REGARDLESS OF OUR NEED! LIE-berals are paying very high prices to Hog allies for their mouldy green with NO WAY TO SHUT OFF PRODUCTION WHEN NOT NEEDED! Wind power production highest on cool, windy days when we have no need for heating or cooling! In addition it takes three full days to run a nuclear reactor up from full stop to full power! Things are so out of whack that LIE-berals are SHUTTING DOWN water generation plants- which is the cheapest and most environmentally sound way to generate electricity- to make room for their mouldy green power! )

(LIE-berals have created an idiot system where we cannot shut off un-needed production- nuclear power is too cumbersome to swiftly shut off and LIE-beral GREED ensures we cannot shut off the mouldy green! In addition, mouldy green power is so unreliable that LIE-berals had to build a bunch of natural gas fired generators and keep them fully fired up and ready- 24/7- to take over when the unreliable moudly green fails to produce yet again! LIE-berals have turned our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their pals and allies! No wonder they have to keep selling electricity at a loss to Yankees- they DUMP cheap electricity to make room for their COSTLY mouldy green power! Its fiscal greed and madness and its been put in place over all manner of protesters with multiple objections!)

The Liberals’ treatment of rural Ontarians has been a disgrace.

They overrode local planning rights by passing the Green Energy Act of 2009 under Wynne’s predecessor, Dalton McGuinty, then rammed industrial wind factories down their throats.

(It is a signal of the amount of gravy LIE-berals are skimming off their grossly costly mouldy green energy mess that they would shove it forward this way! Such high profits had LIE-berals reacting like Pavlovian dogs- and anything like sound judgement was drowned in that flow of gravy!)

Sometimes, it was hard for people in these communities to believe they were living in a democracy.

(Sadly- the frustrated rural dwellers now have urban dwellers in the same sort of angry dilemma as they watch bus loads of homeless people moving into new shelters in their neighbourhoods- bringing panhandlers, petty theft, drug and alcohol addictions, untreated mental illness, discarded syringes and trash! Urban dwellers have no more say over the location of homeless shelters than rural people had over wind farms! And our “desperate need” for more homeless shelters is being driven by greedy LIE-berals collecting those illegals flooding across our borders- LIE-berals are grabbing up illegals like crazy cat ladies collecting strays!)

Rural communities were torn apart — neighbours cashing in by leasing land to wind developers for turbine construction, against neighbours forced to live in the shadow of the mega-structures.

(And LIE-berals deliberately slanted the legal system against those who would complain of turbine noise! TVO played a documentary of a land mark British case- which Wynne-bag LIE-berals are using as a legal guide- in which a British couple tried to sue for medical problems brought on by the huge turbine planted near their house. The govt produced noise and health studies done on an older turbine- that concluded there was no major problem associated with turbines- too bad for the ANGRY couple the govt study was done on a turbine ONE THIRD the size of the one they complained about- AND the study was done from a LONGER range than they were working with! Case DISMISSED- based on DELIBERATELY misleading information!)

The province received hundreds of complaints about health problems which people believed were being caused by the turbines and suppressed them.

(There were long term studies done of people living around airports and several things were discovered- firstly that some people react more to noise than others! It was also noticed that things like mental illness and divorce are higher around airports- apparently due to the noise disturbing their sleep and making people irritable! There is no reason not to assume that wind turbines can cause similar problems for some people- though since the turbines are quieter than a jet plane we can assume the full mental damage takes much longer to surface- so a quick study will NOT reveal any useful information! Country people have become LONG TERM human guinea pigs for LIE-berals!)

During the 2011 election, the CBC reported government documents released under Freedom of Information legislation showed environment ministry staff had issued internal warnings the province needed stricter rural noise limits on turbines, that it had no reliable way to monitor or enforce them and that computer models for determining setbacks were flawed.

(Oh right- internal documents offering warnings just do NOT cut it compared to the compulsive LIE-beral lust for GRAVY!)

Ontario Provincial Police showed up at the homes of middle-aged women in one rural community who had never been involved in any form of law-breaking, warning them to keep their demonstrations against wind turbines peaceful.

As we reported, these visits were made at the request of a wind developer. The government denied any involvement.

While the Liberals dismissed wind protesters as NIMBYs, they simultaneously cancelled two unpopular natural gas plants in Oakville and Mississauga due to local opposition, at a public cost of $1.1 billion, in what the Tories and NDP dubbed the Liberal seat saver program.

When local residents wrote to Liberal MPPs asking for help in fighting the industrial wind factories imposed on them, they received form letters in reply.

(And why not? Rural dwellers have a history of being anti LIE-beral- so imposing turbines means no votes lost but LOTS OF GRAVY GAINED! LIE-berals WIN!)

For many rural Ontarians, the Liberal blunder into green energy, launched without any meaningful business plan according to the Auditor General of Ontario — and which wasn’t needed to eliminate coal-fired electricity — wasn’t just a case of their government wasting billions of dollars and sending their electricity bills skyrocketing.

(No– the moudly green fiasco is nothing more than a LIE-beral GRAVY GRAB masquerading as environmental policy! The worst of it is the environment would have been better off if LIE-berals had NOT built the mouldy green since it produced a great plume of toxins that were released by the need for all that concrete and steel and carbon fibre and miles of aluminum wiring for turbines! And the power could have been MORE CHEAPLY produced by the natural gas plants LIE-berals HAD TO BUILD to back up UNRELIABLE mouldy green! )

It was a case of their government robbing them of fundamental democratic rights.

(AS mentioned- rural dwellers are not alone in feeling this way- urban dwellers living near homeless shelters feel the same way! And all those who must pay for GREAT GOBS of LIE-beral gravy are also being short changed- they cannot save for retirement, cannot own a house and are at the mercy of landlords! And what of all the commuters jammed onto TTC buses and subways- who do they complain to about LIE-beral greed that puts gravy for Hogs ahead of building more transit? The most deprived Ontarians of all are those who simply cannot find a job- and who do they complain to about their lost opportunities?)

(As I have stated before- the only people who will vote LIE-beral are those who are being PAID to support them! And the supply of gravy is running out as Ontari-owe has become the most indebted sub national entity on the planet- thanks to LIE-beral GREED! And sadly- ETFO- the Elementary Teachers union of Ontari-owe has done a deal with NDP and thrown their support behind the formerly hated NDP! Great gobs of gravy offered during elections make for strange alliances! And NDP is just as hungry for gravy as their LIE-beral cousins- and NDP is now more willing to sell us out to ETFO than LIE-berals will!)




Wow, a correction from an idiot over a typo. And everyone is still waiting for you to post something that is on topic.