How should we punish child molestation and rape?

Tecumsehsbones

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We could make them listen to your notions of justice, WU. That's even worse.

Well, y'all could do that. Hereabouts the Eighth Amendment would forbid it.
 

White_Unifier

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At the same time, maybe we can "fix" the gays.

Like I said you are using the 1950s mindset that was and still is a violation of Rights.

A person under the age of fifteen is not legally old enough to consent. As the OP mentioned, I'm proposing these harsh punishments for only two specific categories of crime:

1. Sex with a person under the age of fifteen.

2. Sexual assault of a person of any age.

Legally in Canada right now, sex with a person under sixteen is illegal too; but given the severity of what I'm proposing, I thought it appropriate to reduce the age to under fifteen for the more severe punishment. Consensual sex with someone under sixteen could be punished as per the present laws.
 

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Oophorectomy. But just like a male sex offender, we could give her the option of death or life in prison instead. Oophorectomy followed by at least a year of therapy would just be an option if she contemplates release from prison.
But she would still have her vagina to rape with
 

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We could make them listen to your notions of justice, WU. That's even worse.

Well, y'all could do that. Hereabouts the Eighth Amendment would forbid it.

How so? The US already allows the death penalty. How would giving a person a CHOICE between death, life in prison, and castration, at least one year of therapy, and then release on the recommendation of at least two psychiatrists cruel and unusual? It could even allow a person to greatly reduce the time they'd spend behind bars compared to what is the case now. In some case, the person could be out after a year under my proposal. Again, no one would be forcing castration onto him. It would be a choice if he wants release.

Death would be a choice to. Now as for life in prison, again, I'm not proposing it to be cruel but rather to protect the public. The recidivism rate of released sex offenders without castration is extremely high. I could be open to allowing chemical castration but with no tolerance for messing around. In other words, if a person needs to return for a new implant every three years, he'd better show up on time otherwise he's back in prison. And once back in prison, then the only option left should be surgical castration.

But she would still have her vagina to rape with

A man who undergoes gonadectomy still has his penis to rape with too. The point is that it stops the production of certain sex hormones that raise the sex drive. As a result, the offender has less interest in raping.
 

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We could make them listen to your notions of justice, WU. That's even worse.

Well, y'all could do that. Hereabouts the Eighth Amendment would forbid it.
Charter kills it here too.

A person under the age of fifteen is not legally old enough to consent.

You'd best check that out. The age of consent varies considerably from Province to Province.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Who forced you to come to this thread?

Precisely. There's all kinds of things you can do voluntarily that are cruel and unusual punishment if done to you by the government.

WU, why don't you just come out in favor of death by slow torture for people who have sex? Your crazy hatred of sex is weird, but this is the internet. As long as you don't make a direct threat, nobody can do anything to you for being weird.
 

White_Unifier

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Precisely. There's all kinds of things you can do voluntarily that are cruel and unusual punishment if done to you by the government.

WU, why don't you just come out in favor of death by slow torture for people who have sex? Your crazy hatred of sex is weird, but this is the internet. As long as you don't make a direct threat, nobody can do anything to you for being weird.

Hmmm... you equate sex with minors and sexual assault with sex in general?
 

White_Unifier

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No, I aggregate all your threads on your desire to punish people who have sex, and the picture comes in pretty clear.

Not consensual sex within marriage. Minimal risk of contracting an STI in that case compared to other sexual contexts. Ask an epidemiologist.
 

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I don't think rape is really about sex.

I don't think punishment is the thing about this crime that we need to work on.
 

White_Unifier

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I don't think rape is really about sex.

I don't think punishment is the thing about this crime that we need to work on.

If you mean therapy, I totally agree. Our society does need to become more empathetic to the plight of pedophiles and people who suffer rape fantasies and provide them with greater access to the therapy they need. But we need to make a clear distinction between a pedophile and a molester and between a person with rape fantasies and a rapist. Once the person acts on it, then the focus needs to shift from therapy to deterrence.

Why, is he in your congregation? That would explain a lot.

I don't even know him.