Neanderthals were capable of making art

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Contrary to the traditional view of them as brutes, it turns out that Neanderthals were artists.

A study in Science journal suggests they made cave drawings in Spain that pre-date the arrival of modern humans in Europe by 20,000 years.

They also appear to have used painted sea shells as jewellery.

Art was previously thought to be a behaviour unique to our species (Homo sapiens) and far beyond our evolutionary cousins.

Neanderthals were capable of making art


By Paul Rincon, Science editor, BBC News website
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In Maltravieso Cave, western Spain, Neanderthals stencilled their hands by blowing red paint over them


Contrary to the traditional view of them as brutes, it turns out that Neanderthals were artists.

A study in Science journal suggests they made cave drawings in Spain that pre-date the arrival of modern humans in Europe by 20,000 years.

They also appear to have used painted sea shells as jewellery.

Art was previously thought to be a behaviour unique to our species (Homo sapiens) and far beyond our evolutionary cousins.

The cave paintings include stencilled impressions of Neanderthal hands, geometric patterns and red circles.

They occupy three sites at La Pasiega, Maltravieso and Ardales - situated up to 435 miles apart in different parts of Spain.

The researchers used a technique called uranium-thorium dating to obtain accurate ages. It relies on measuring the radioactive decay of uranium that gets incorporated into mineral crusts forming over the paintings.

The results gave a minimum age of 65,000 years ago for the cave art. Modern humans only arrived in Europe roughly 45,000 years ago.

This suggests that the Palaeolithic artwork must have been made by Neanderthals, a "sister" species to Homo sapiens, and Europe's sole human inhabitants at the time. But, so far, the researchers have found only abstract expressions of art by Neanderthals.


This ladder-shaped drawing from La Pasiega cave consists of red horizontal and vertical lines and is older than 64,000 years

Prof Alistair Pike, from the University of Southampton, who is a co-author of the study, said: "Soon after the discovery of the first of their fossils in the 19th century, Neanderthals were portrayed as brutish and uncultured, incapable of art and symbolic behaviour, and some of these views persist today."

"The issue of just how human-like Neanderthals behaved is a hotly debated issue. Our findings will make a significant contribution to that debate."

Prof Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, who was not involved in the study, commented: "Some previous claims for Neanderthal symbolic behaviour had dating uncertainties or lay within inferred overlaps between Neanderthals and Homo sapiens 40-60,000 years ago, meaning that they could still be attributed to modern humans, or to the influence of modern humans on Neanderthal behaviour."

He said the new work "seems to remove any doubts" that Neanderthals were capable of symbolic or artistic expression. Prof Stringer explained: "They further narrow any perceived behavioural gap between the Neanderthals and us."

But he said it could be argued there were still no clear examples of Neanderthal figurative art - artwork drawn from real sources, such as animals or people.

Prof Pike told BBC News: "The next big question is: 'did Neanderthals make figurative art. We've got hand stencils, we've got lots of red dots and we've got these lines. We want to know whether there are paintings of the kind of animals they were hunting."

'Meaningful' expression

In La Pasiega cave, in northern Spain, the researchers dated a ladder-shaped (scalariform) drawing to a minimum age of 64,800 years ago. However, the artwork from this cave has yielded dates of up to 80,000 years ago. There are animals painted within the rungs of the ladder, but the scientists haven't yet dated these - and they could be younger.

"Even different groups of modern humans were approaching art in different ways. So it's really about the meaning of your symbols," said Prof Pike. "Just because they didn't paint animals, it doesn't mean they couldn't paint animals."

The early ages for the cave art are supported by the dating of sea shells that were perforated to be used on necklaces and are stained with pigments.

Two of the four samples dated to about 115,000 years ago - again, much further back in time than the known presence of modern humans in the region.

Commenting on the work, Prof Clive Finlayson, from the Gibraltar Museum, told BBC News: "The work is very good, there's nothing to fault the dates.


Ancient "hashtag"? This engraving, in Gorham's Cave, Gibraltar, was reported in 2014. It may have been made by a Neanderthal

He added: "It suggests they're much older than anything we know of from Europe or beyond the boundaries of Europe."

In 2014, Prof Finlayson and colleagues reported the discovery of an engraving in Gorham's Cave, Gibraltar, that may have been carved by a Neanderthal. But the recent finds add to mounting evidence we have underestimated the intellectual capabilities of our evolutionary cousins.

But he said: "If we are going to be strict in our interpretations, that Neanderthals made these paintings is really inferred from the dates."

While there is no direct evidence of other human species in Iberia at this time, Prof Finlayson added: "To pin it on Neanderthals is highly likely... but from my knowledge I don't think any of those three caves have Neanderthal remains."

Early symbolic artefacts, dating back 70,000 years, have been found in Africa but are associated with modern humans.

Prof Pike said of the Spanish finds: "Some of these things are placed in the very darkest bits of caves, where you couldn't do it by accident. You need a light source, you've got to wander through passages and you've got to prepare your pigments. "

On the other hand, he said, "the panel in La Pasiega is on a really nice, smooth bit of wall framed by stalagmitic formations on either side. It looks like something you would stand in front of an look at".

He added: "As to the meaning, I don't think we'll ever know. But I think we're pretty happy to say it's meaningful."

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Too bad they don't understand what the neanderthals were saying with that art.
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They could, if they were just a little smarter and a little less fakenews.

Some of it goes back to the EARLY nautical/astronomical language post you made a while back.
 

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Too bad they don't understand what the neanderthals were saying with that art.
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They could, if they were just a little smarter and a little less fakenews.

They had bigger brains than ours. Maybe, we're a bit too thick to understand their messages from the past.
 

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Too bad they don't understand what the neanderthals were saying with that art.
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They could, if they were just a little smarter and a little less fakenews.

Well the paintings themselves say spirituality, intimacy, colour and aspiration towards infinity.

The first one in particular says: "Hands. These are essential parts of our Neanderthalic physique, digital tools enabling us to carry out our tasks even in Stygian areas such as this cave, tasks which include the making of this artwork. It signifies ingenuity against the odds; doing what you enjoy even in challenging circumstances. It also signifies strength, tribe, community."

They had bigger brains than ours. Maybe, we're a bit too thick to understand their messages from the past.

Homo sapiens are more intelligent than Neanderthals were.

Neanderthal brains may have been larger, but they had more capacity devoted to vision and body control, with less left over for social interactions and complex cognition.
 

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The thing about crazy people is they don't know they are crazy. The same is true about stupid. If modern humans are so smart, why are we destroying the planet, fowling our air, water and soil? Most animals know better than to shit in their drinking water. I think Neanderthals are being short changed in the intelligence department by crazy, stupid people.
 

Blackleaf

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We are. Pull your head out of your butt, butthead.

We just, simply, aren't.

Consider the humble sparrow. This little bird has thrived all because of human activities.

Originally only found on the Asian steppe, it spread around the world because of all the man-made farms, towns and villages that resemble its natural habitat. Eugene Schieffelin is responsible for introducing the bird to North America, because it was mentioned in Shakespeare's plays.

Because humans are creating environments beneficial to many species, new species are arriving and evolving faster than old species are dying out.

As for global warming: if it ever became a reality (because currently, of course, it isn't) then it'll be good for plants and animals. Flora and fauna prefer warmer temperatures: that's why you find more of them in the tropics than elsewhere.
 

Danbones

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They had bigger brains than ours. Maybe, we're a bit too thick to understand their messages from the past.

No, many have been interpreted as navigational depictions and star and land maps

'Oldest star chart' found

The carvings have been interpreted as a star map

By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor

The oldest image of a star pattern, that of the famous constellation of Orion, has been recognised on an ivory tablet some 32,500 years old.
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | 'Oldest star chart' found
( I hope you don't mind state television as a citation)

Humans are one-fifth Neanderthal, according to shock new scientific study
The journal Science suggests that up to a fifth of the Neanderthal genome may have survived in modern human populations
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/humans-one-fifth-neanderthal-according-shock-3092118

try to keep up!
:)



You have to kneel at the foot of the cross to see the orion, the neanderthal/human HUNTER "god" to use it to cross an ocean.


The Working Celtic Cross


That's an exponential scale on the RULER on the cross stick



See Mithra's ruler? Mithra shares the root word of MITER which the KATHOLIC pope wears.
those are SYMBOLIC ANGLES coming out of his head.

Get the book. Though it doesn't know everything I do, It's a highly recommended place to start.

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DNA Results Of The Paracas Elongated Skulls Of Peru: Part 2: Black Sea Connection

I have ALL THE PROOF ON MY SIDE

They are connected to the Kazakian kings who ruled mesopotamia, and then egypt, and also the hurons, and did the COPPER MINING here in Ontario



This was found in the mississippi area, please note the cross and the NAUTICAL chart on the guy's head.

Oldest lunar calendar identified



The interpretation that symbolic paintings, dating back 15,000 years, show the Moon going through its different phases comes from Dr Michael Rappenglueck, of the University of Munich.
=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science...| SCI/TECH | Oldest lunar calendar identified

Ooopsi, State television again.
 
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