Is God competent or incompetent?
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+37&version=RSV
Job 37.. the most powerful and poetic on God's admonitions to Man as to his subordinance to the Divien Supernatual Order. Man is not competent to question His competence.
Therefore men fear him;
He does not regard any who are wise in their own conceit.
Job 37.. the most powerful and poetic on God's admonitions to Man as to his subordinance to the Divien Supernatual Order. Man is not competent to question His competence.
Therefore men fear him;
He does not regard any who are wise in their own conceit.
I do not fear imaginary constructs.
As to us being able to judge God and his competence, scriptures say we can and should.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Strange that you would ignore this.
You have judged God to be good while saying you are not worthy to judge God. rather a hypocritical position that.
Regards
DL
The meaning of competent? you mean He is All-Able, or He competes with others? Or He is Efficient?
Anyhow, the explanation in your OP says unrelated things to the title ..
The distorted texts made all this problem and confusion ..
Nothing of this is in the Glorious Quran.
God did not create us as sinners! How can that be? Man is created innocent, then when he is adult will be responsible about his work and words: if he works righteously then he is righteous and will be rewarded, and if he works evil and transgression then he is a sinner and will punished.
But Christians, according to the distorted texts, say that man is born with the original sin (of Adam), and then Jesus came to bear the sin of man, so he acted as a lamb to sacrifice himself as God's son to save the humanity from their original sin; which in fact is wrong.
In the Torah (the Old Testament) it is stated that no man will bear the sin of another; as is it also stated in the Glorious Quran.
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The Qur'an does get some things better than the bible, but the overall ideology of slave holding and inequality of women and men, not to mention gays, shows that the Islamic ideology is no better overall than Christianity. You killing your own apostates may in fact make your ideology the worst that the world has ever seen.
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DL
1- God created heaven or paradise in heaven, and Satan (whose name was Azazil in his material life of the World) his soul was admitted following his death to that paradise on account of his righteous work in his life of the world.
Then when he became proud over the angels, God created Adam as a trial for Satan and other angels, and Satan (Azazil) disobeyed the command of his Lord concerning the prostration before Adam, and because he insisted on his pride and disobedience, he was driven out of the paradise in heaven and that he should go down to the earth. In fact, God gave him respite as a reward for his past righteousness, and to be a trial for Adam and his progeny: to see who of them would follow his suggestions and who would be firm in belief so that he would not follow Satan's suggestions.
2- God created Adam on earth, in one of the earth gardens, which was on a mountain (mostly in the north of Iraq), then when Adam disobeyed his Lord's command, he was punished: the garden dried up because water went to the valleys below, so Adam was obliged to leave that garden and to go toiling in the plain land.
3- "God sent his son to forgive mankind instead of stepping up himself."
God does not send His messengers to people so that the messenger will forgive them; this is wrong; God in fact sends His messengers to people to warn them of the consequences of their idolatry and wrong-doing, and to give them the good news for the believers who work the righteous work of admitting them into Paradise in heaven in the Next Life.
So God sent Jesus like He sent other messengers; He sent him to the arrogant Children of Israel who transgressed the bounds in their tyranny and blasphemy.
Therefore, neither Jesus nor anyone else can forgive man; the forgiveness is up to God alone.
4- God created hell so as to punish those who do not comply with His commandments, and He will not guide the wrong-doers, but will guide the kind-hearted who help the poor and the weak for the sake of God alone.
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If you are to ignore my posts to you, what makes you think I will pay attention to yours?
You do know that reciprocity is fair play. Right?
Regards
DL
You do not stick to the point of discussion, because your purpose is not to seek after the truth, but to bar people from God's religion.
slave holding : these are originally the captives of war, they are like the prisoners; so all states of the world (like the US and others) in the past and the present when war ends, will capture the war prisoners, and some torture them and make them work the hard works and imprison them; while God recommended the good dealing with the captive and seeking ways of releasing the Muslim captives.
inequality of women and men, from humanity point they are alike, but in many situations this cannot be true that man is like the woman: the anatomy differs, the psychology differs, the dealing differs; and in the inheritance law: the son will receive double the share of the daughter, while the grandfather and grandmother will have equal shares.
And if you make the son like the daughter in the inheritance share you will be unjust, because of the requirements of each of them, while the grandmother and the grandfather there will be no difference in the inheritance shares.
gays: this is of course forbidden; and in the Torah ( the Old Testament) the punishment is to kill them; while in the Quran the punishment is not cited, and the interpreter said: to lash each of them or to imprison them, and likewise the lesbian to a lesser extent.
killing your own apostates: this may be because the apostate will corrupt the community in enhancing others to apostate.
This also was stated in the Torah of Moses;
so God judge others and none can judge Him and none can change His statement and He is the All-Knowing, the Most Wise.
Have you read carefully the words in the previous post #28, or you passed over it, seeking only how to falsify it!?
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This god seems like an asshole. What are the devil's views on homosexuality, apostasy, and equality?
Time to ban Torch Light and all these Muslims Pedo Lovers
The are just useless Muslim refugees living in Sweden trying to rape the local girls..
ISIS sympathizers
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."" - Sinclair Lewis
Nice dress you have on there boomer, you carrying on across state lines dressed like that?
We finally know what Hillary Clinton knew all along – US allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Isis
There is a bizarre discontinuity between what the Obama administration knew about the jihadis and what they would say in public
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html
Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard blasts Obama for funding ISIS, introduces “Stop Arming Terrorists Act”
Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is accusing the United States of funding and arming Al Qaeda and ISIS.
Gabbard is now openly saying what the entire planet knows to be true, that Obama has been working with Al Qaeda-ISIS in Syria for the purpose of replacing the Assad government at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Gabbard’s tweet is another blow to Obama’s policy of terrorizing Syria…and with close to 30 days left before the puppet president finally leaves office, Gabbard is moving forward with a Bill that may finally put an end to America’s state sponsorship of Al Qaeda and ISIS.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...g-isis-introduces-stop-arming-terrorists-act/
What an america and trump hating racist you are babe.
Nice dress you have on there boomer, you carrying on across state lines dressed like that?
We finally know what Hillary Clinton knew all along – US allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Isis
There is a bizarre discontinuity between what the Obama administration knew about the jihadis and what they would say in public
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html
Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard blasts Obama for funding ISIS, introduces “Stop Arming Terrorists Act”
Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is accusing the United States of funding and arming Al Qaeda and ISIS.
Gabbard is now openly saying what the entire planet knows to be true, that Obama has been working with Al Qaeda-ISIS in Syria for the purpose of replacing the Assad government at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Gabbard’s tweet is another blow to Obama’s policy of terrorizing Syria…and with close to 30 days left before the puppet president finally leaves office, Gabbard is moving forward with a Bill that may finally put an end to America’s state sponsorship of Al Qaeda and ISIS.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...g-isis-introduces-stop-arming-terrorists-act/
What an america and trump hating racist you are babe.
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See I was expecting you to come up with a reason for me to be against the devil despite the fact that the devil is in support of homosexuality, sexual liberation, gender equality, apostasy, etc. Instead you just straight up told me the devil and I have the same view. So I guess I'm Team Satan. I always did like his anti-authoritarian stance. You're really winning people over here, Torch light.
Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
That verse does not talk of inheritance and the inequality reaches to heaven --- 72 virgins per man, --- so you ignoring that is you trying to deceive us.
Further, Allah and religion has no say in who should get what. The inheritance is yours to give. Not Allah's.
Religions are for the spirit of man. Not his physical wellbeing.
As to your answer on killing apostates.
You are saying that fear is what motivates you to kill. Quite manly that. Not.
Have you not heard that justice is close to an eye for an eye?
I guess not as you kill for a lot less than that standard thus showing that your view of jurisprudence is quite immoral.
Regards
DL
They cannot be worse than Yahweh's or Allah's.
There is not much worse than death for apostates and gays and to denigrate and discriminate against women for being women is quite unjust.
Regards
DL
Ban them!!!
Rethink please. Seeing their beliefs is what will have people reject their immoral ideology.
Hiding it is what they want and silencing them is us shooting ourselves in the foot.
Let them hang themselves by showing their evil ideology.
Silencing their evil would prevent moral people like you from showing why your ideology is superior to theirs.
Regards
DL
You just like Satan because she is a woman. Kidding.
Satan isd depicted as female by Catholics though. Have a look at the fall painting from Michelangelo in the Vatican collection. Satan is clearly depicted as a woman.
Many ignore that Satan was cast from heaven because she demanded equality of opportunity with that male God of war, Yahweh.
Tyrants cannot allow such thinking.
Regards
DL
Here is a good example of how the poster having a purpose, so he conceals the first part of the aya, and only tells the second part which is interpreted in somewhat altered words:
So here is the explanation of this great aya
Quran 2: 228, which means
(And [wives] have rights [over their husbands] similar to those [of their husbands] over them, with appropriate way
but the men have an authority [to be obeyed] over them. )
See the complete explanation of the aya in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_227
quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_227
On the contrary, God explained in the Quran that He made the law of inheritance, because man does not know who is more advantageous to him: the fathers or the sons; and therefore He made it an obligation by law: stating the shares as He decided:
Quran 4: 11, which means:
([Your heirs:] Your parents and your children: you do not know which of them [the parents or the children] are nearest in profit to you [but it is God Who knows that; so He has prescribed such division of the inheritance] – ;
this being an ordinance from God [so do not contradict this obligation]; surely God is All-Knowing and All-Wise. )
More explanation of this aya is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_11
quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_11
When Moses left his people going to the Mount to receive the Ten Commandments written on the Tablets of stone, and in his absence, his people made an idol: the gold statue of the calf which they worshiped. So when he returned, he commanded (according to God's command) the killing of those who apostatized and returned to the idolatry; this was better for them rather than the eternal punishment in Hell, so God turned towards them and accepted their repentance after their killing in this life of the World .. and that would be better for them than the staying in Hell forever in the Next Life.
Quran 2: 54, which means:
(And [remember] when Moses said to his people [who worshipped the calf]: "My people, you have indeed wronged yourselves by your taking the calf [as a god for worship]:
so now turn (in repentance) to [the Lord] your Savior, and kill [the calf-worshippers among] yourselves; that will be best for you with your Savior."
Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness): for He is Most-Turning [towards the repentant], Most Merciful [to them.])
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_54
quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_54
But because you do not believe in the Next Life (so you will lose), then you may object to this and say: why is that?
So this is the reason for killing the apostatizing.
Moreover, there were Jews (and all people know what cunning and cheating are they); some of them made a plan to believe in the morning then in the same day to apostatize and say we studied it and find it is a falsehood .. aiming from this to let people have doubt and they may then leave their religion and faith.
Quran 3: 72, which means:
[Twelve Jewish priests of Khaibar and the villages of Urainah plotted, and said to each other:
"Convert to the religion of Mohammed in the morning with tongue not with true belief, then disbelieve at the end of the day, and say:
'We reviewed our books and consulted our scholars, and found that Mohammed is not any prophet, and we realized he is a liar and his religion is false';
then if you do so, his companions will doubt about his religion and will say: 'They are people having the Torah and they know about him better than we do';
so his companions will apostatize from his religion and turn to your religion."
Therefore, Gabriel came down to the Prophet and told him about that and recited to him this aya:]
(72. A group of the people a of the Bible say: "Believe – early in the day – in [the Quran] that has been sent down to the believers, then – later in the day – disbelieve; that they may turn back [from the Islam to your religion.]"
73. "And believe not save in one that follows your religion [: the Judaism.]"
Say [Mohammed to these Jews:] "The guidance [really] is [that] guidance due to God;
that anyone should not be given any [revelation: the Quran] like [the revelation of the Torah] that you were given. Or they may dispute with you [if you mislead them,] before your Lord [on the Judgment Day.]
Say [Mohammed to these Jews:]: The favor [of revealing the Quran] is [entirely] by the hand of God [not by your hands]; He gives it to whom [of His servants] He pleases [to send as a messenger or apostle]; God is Most-Bountiful, All-Knowing.")
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So much for the equality of all souls.
Missing that basic moral mark is part of why your ideology is the worst that I know.
Enjoy letting your fear of being killed as an apostate by your friends force you to follow your satanic ideology.
Regards
DL
P.S. Moses is a myth, unless you can show how a dead man could have finish his own story.
Then again, you are such a fool you do not know that your own God is a man made myth to fool the gullible.