Canada to admit nearly 1 million immigrants over next 3 years

[Tecumsehsbones]

Further to my last. . .

Let us say that Canada has a shortage of electrical engineers, predicted to last for quite a spell. OK, all the high-school counselors tell the kids who are good at math that electrical engineering is a great career path, high pay, lot of demand, interesting work. So some of these good students go off to uni and spend the next 4-5 years breaking their brains on EE. Then they graduate and with their diplomas in their hot little hands, the plunge into the job market, to find that while they were studying their butts off, Canada brought in half a million Iranian, Indian, and Czech electrical engineers, and now they are welcome to come on board as toilet-scrubbers at Canadian Electrical Engineering Corp. How's that help Canada?

I'm serious, and only a tiny li'l bit sarcastic. I'd like to hear what Vbeacher or Jin has to say about my example.

 

[Vbeacher]

This new number for Canada will put us over the 1% threshold. That number is something that both economists and immigration experts have called untenable.

Canada has the highest proportion of foreign born citizens of any western nation, far, far higher than any western country. It's just over 20% now, and was expected to rise, without taking these new immigration increases into affect, to 28.2% by 2036. We are not refreshing or renewing ourselves as Canadians. We are replacing ourselves with foreigners who have completely different cultures and values and have not been given time to assimilate. By comparison, 13% of Americans and 13.8% of United Kingdom citizens are foreign born.

This will also likely and thankfully kill the Liberal party next election.

Most unlikely. Regular Canadians don't, for the most part, place a high importance on immigration as a factor in voting. Most don't even know how many immigrants we take in, and are reassured by bland statements of how it's good for us. It's true that more oppose increases than support them, but they're largely not going to change their votes because of it.

On the other hand, the Liberals are targeting immigrants from areas which traditionally vote Liberal - which is the entire point of the exercise, after all. And progressives love more immigration. You could increase it to two million a year and they'd be ecstatic.

 

[petros]

Further to my last. . .

Let us say that Canada has a shortage of electrical engineers, predicted to last for quite a spell. OK, all the high-school counselors tell the kids who are good at math that electrical engineering is a great career path, high pay, lot of demand, interesting work. So some of these good students go off to uni and spend the next 4-5 years breaking their brains on EE. Then they graduate and with their diplomas in their hot little hands, the plunge into the job market, to find that while they were studying their butts off, Canada brought in half a million Iranian, Indian, and Czech electrical engineers, and now they are welcome to come on board as toilet-scrubbers at Canadian Electrical Engineering Corp. How's that help Canada?

I'm serious, and only a tiny li'l bit sarcastic. I'd like to hear what Vbeacher or Jin has to say about my example.

StatsCanada metrics would have CBSA limit visas to keep a balance but a fresh out of Uni EE would still need to work under a Snr EE for a few years who would more than likely be someone working under a visa.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Canada has the highest proportion of foreign born citizens of any western nation, far, far higher than any western country. It's just over 20% now, and was expected to rise, without taking these new immigration increases into affect, to 28.2% by 2036. We are not refreshing or renewing ourselves as Canadians. We are replacing ourselves with foreigners who have completely different cultures and values and have not been given time to assimilate. By comparison, 13% of Americans and 13.8% of United Kingdom citizens are foreign born.

Just like we did. Gotta tell you, we ain't real happy with the result. Maybe y'all need to build a wall.

 

[Vbeacher]

Further to my last. . .
I'm serious, and only a tiny li'l bit sarcastic. I'd like to hear what Vbeacher or Jin has to say about my example.

This actually happened to me. I went and got a degree in computer programming. I was offered a job as a technical writer at a ludicrously low salary. Even young I knew that. I told them to drop dead. I later found out the company went to the government and said it couldn't get enough workers so it brought in Indians to do the job.

The solution is for government to let the market take care of worker shortages. The most government should do is have the universities and colleges get in touch with industries who have shortages of skilled workers so they can take care of it. And not to put too fine a point on things, but we have massive numbers of natives (aborigines) who aren't doing much of anything. Why don't we put money into upgrading their educations and technical skills so they can find work, rather than spending tens of billions on importing foreigners?

 

[Jinentonix]

Further to my last. . .

Let us say that Canada has a shortage of electrical engineers, predicted to last for quite a spell. OK, all the high-school counselors tell the kids who are good at math that electrical engineering is a great career path, high pay, lot of demand, interesting work. So some of these good students go off to uni and spend the next 4-5 years breaking their brains on EE. Then they graduate and with their diplomas in their hot little hands, the plunge into the job market, to find that while they were studying their butts off, Canada brought in half a million Iranian, Indian, and Czech electrical engineers, and now they are welcome to come on board as toilet-scrubbers at Canadian Electrical Engineering Corp. How's that help Canada?

I'm serious, and only a tiny li'l bit sarcastic. I'd like to hear what Vbeacher or Jin has to say about my example.

Your example is fairly accurate. Here's some of what's really going on though. Canadian universities charge foreign students more than they charge Canadian students. Now, being that most of them are for-profit enterprises, it's no surprise that they will take foreign students over Canadian students. What's been happening is Canadians are being denied spots at Canadian medical schools so they have to go out of country for their education. But when they become doctors, they can't practice medicine here without being "certified".

It's also kind of funny that you brought up electrical engineering. Our friend's son wanted to attend UWO's electrical engineering program a few years back. Despite having a 99.6% grade point average he was denied a spot because the class was being filled with foreign students who pay more.

 

[darkbeaver]

This continent is not called West America. These imigants have in fact imigrated to a Northern country where there help with snow removal will be much appreciated.

 

[Vbeacher]

StatsCanada metrics would have CBSA limit visas to keep a balance but a fresh out of Uni EE would still need to work under a Snr EE for a few years who would more than likely be someone working under a visa.

Business will ALWAYS prefer hiring a foreigner who is desperate and has ten years experience over a new university grad they have to train and bring along. That's quite natural. But that's not in our national interests.

 

[petros]

but we have massive numbers of natives (aborigines) who aren't doing much of anything. Why don't we put money into upgrading their educations and technical skills so they can find work, rather than spending tens of billions on importing foreigners?

The door is wide open at Trade Unions. Natives go to the top of the list for apprenticeships.

 

[Vbeacher]

This continent is not called West America. These imigants have in fact imigrated to a Northern country where there help with snow removal will be much appreciated.

Can they operate a snow plow? No, then sorry, the welfare office is over there.

Mind you, in the next twenty years the snow plows will probably all be driven by AI anyway.

The door is wide open at Trade Unions. Natives go to the top of the list for apprenticeships.

I recognize there are social problems on the reserves which make their education inadequate for such things. We need to address the black economic hole which are the reserves (most of them) and stop warehousing people who could and should be working productively.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

OK, Jin, V, I hear you. This kinda cuts against petros's desire for immigrants with skills and good credit ratings.

Here's a couple of notions. This one I shamelessly swiped from Jerry Pournelle, with some tailoring of my own. Why not make a law that the company that needs a high-skill job filled and can't find a suitable Canadian can bring in a foreigner on a temporary work visa, but also has to provide, oh, let's call it $10,000 a year for four years, which will subsidize a Canadian student in a high-skill, shortage field?

Course, I gotta point out that if the government cut off all high-skill immigration, what I describe above is basically what would happen.

 

[petros]

All they need is grade 10. When they go to a polytechnic for their first year schooling it includes any upgrades needed to meet the trade reqs.

 

[Cannuck]

From 2.7 in April 2014 to 5.4 Oct 2016 is double.

I doubt many Hatters care about your out dated stats. Having said that...

Occupancy | Define Occupancy at Dictionary.com

Vacancy | Define Vacancy at Dictionary.com

I love it when simpletons try and use big words they don't understand.

Feel free to get mad at me yet again

 

[petros]

My outdated latest stats?

Information archivée dans le Web | Information Archived on the Web

 

[Cannuck]

I know youre slow but even you should know it's 2017

 

[petros]

They don't get any newer and still double.

Rental Market
In October 2016, the overall vacancy
rate in Medicine Hat was 5.4 per cent,
up from 4.6 per cent a year earlier.
Migration outflows and weak
demographic fundamentals led to a
reduction in the demand for rental
units, helping to push up the vacancy
rate. Furthermore, historically
low interest rates will continue
to lure prospective renters into
homeownership. Until labour market
conditions improve, helping to attract
migrant workers, rental demand will
remain subdued. The overall vacancy
rate in 2017 is forecast be five per
cent, followed by a reduction in 2018
to 4.5 per cent.
The average purpose-built two-
bedroom apartment rent decreased
from $828 in 2015 to $825 in 2016.
With vacancies rising, landlords had
little incentive to raise rents. CMHC’s
Fall 2016 rental market survey found
same-sample rents for two-bedroom
apartment were unchanged from the
previous year. Rent levels will receive
minimal upward pressure until rental
demand begins to improve. With
this in mind, it is expected that the
average two-bedroom apartment
rent in 2017 will be $830. Provided
there are no large increases in rental
supply, rent levels should see some
additional upward movement in 2018,
averaging $840 for a two-bedroom
apartment unit.

 

[Cannuck]

2016 = irrelevant

 

[Twin_Moose]

The door is wide open at Trade Unions. Natives go to the top of the list for apprenticeships.

I agree, but what initiative is there for a young First Canadian to follow through on the offer to better their lives? If one could get rid of the Red apple bullying/shaming/prejudice out of the community a corner maybe turned.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I agree, but what initiative is there for a young First Canadian to follow through on the offer to better their lives? If one could get rid of the Red apple bullying/shaming/prejudice out of the community a corner maybe turned.

Same as there is for a young Native American, or whatever the heck they're calling us this week. A desire to see more of the world and have better stuff.

 

[petros]

2016 = irrelevant

So why aren't you posting current numbers?

Too embarrassed?