How much tax does the average Canadian millionaire pay?

[Bar Sinister]

CPCN telecommunications is owned by government ?

I don't know. Are highways and airports built by private companies?

Most logging roads in BC. Some are also built by government and loggers must pay a fee for using them while the public enjoys free use.

With the amount of tax revenue Alberta receives from the oil sandsoperations I would say they more than pay for any infrastructure.

Logging roads? I wonder how they compare to the vast network of highways and urban roads. That is like claiming a driveway is an example of public infrastructure.

And apparently you do not know the deal the provincial government struck with the oil companies concerning revenue from the oils sands. Many of the companies pay no royalties until the cost of their investment has been fully recovered. Even conceding that point, why shouldn't the oil companies pay taxes They are exploiting a resource that is owned by the people of Alberta.

I find it extremely interesting that you reference Adam Smith, considering that he died in 1790, your extrapolating parallels to rec facilities, airports and malls is nothing short of hilarious.

Regardless, the largest portfolios paid for by gvt are education and healthcare. These are used on a per capita basis and have little to do with the income demographic being the deciding factor. If you want to cherry pick select examples, consider public libraries, transit and social services and then get back to me on per capita use by income demographic





It has to do with this comment you made:




It's back asswards that leads me to question your overall understanding




You're making the case for 1 or 2 levels of income tax with a consumption tax on top.



How someone opts to spend their cash is entirely their own business. punishing someone for succeeding results in dragging everyone down to the same common denominator



Tons of them.... Many at the sole cost of an industry and as JLM pointed out, many indirectly

Adam Smith? I was talking you you. You called me Warren Buffet. I guess my reply went over your head.

I still don't get your reference regarding charities. You seem to think that because the wealthy donate some of their income to charity that justifies an unfair tax system.

As for health care and education I wonder how much it would cost big business to pay the costs of those services themselves. Health care provides a healthier workforce free of charge to every employer in Canada. And education provides a literate workforce to the same employers.

As for you comments regarding roads please give me an example of a public highway built by a private corporation, not something intended for use only by a business. While you are at it throw in a few examples of other public facilities like airports, universities, technical schools, libraries, recreation centres, and sewer and water lines built by private companies. If you can even find one example in a hundred you would be doing quite well.

The Highway connecting Conklin to Ft. Mac was first built as an ice road by loggers then improved by the oil companies finally improved to transportation standards and paved by the Prov. as a year round road for everyone.

It appears that a number of people can come up with single examples of such roads, but I just wonder how they compare with the massive infrastructure provided by public spending.

 

[captain morgan]

I don't know.

Of course you don't

Logging roads? I wonder how they compare to the vast network of highways and urban roads. That is like claiming a driveway is an example of public infrastructure.

You asked for examples, you got them.

Try Kennedy Road and Silver Summit North of Edson... Originally logging roads (Weldwood), now paid-for expansion and complete maintenance by (wait for it), the oil companies. The general public uses that road daily

And apparently you do not know the deal the provincial government struck with the oil companies concerning revenue from the oils sands. Many of the companies pay no royalties until the cost of their investment has been fully recovered. Even conceding that point, why shouldn't the oil companies pay taxes They are exploiting a resource that is owned by the people of Alberta.

Good God, you are one dumb fukk... PS - not included is the corp taxes paid provincially and federally (look it up yourself)

Revenue ($ Millions)

Natural Gas & By-product Royalty
2016/17 - $520

Conventional Oil Royalty
2016/17 - $716

Oil Sands Royalty
2016/17 - $1,483

Coal Royalty
2016/17 - $26

Non Renewable Resource Revenue
2016/17 - $3,097

Freehold Mineral Tax
2016/17 - $57

Adam Smith? I was talking you you. You called me Warren Buffet. I guess my reply went over your head.

I guess that you're just a super shitty communicator

I still don't get your reference regarding charities. You seem to think that because the wealthy donate some of their income to charity that justifies an unfair tax system.

I am honestly not surprised that this is waaayyyyy above your head.

As for health care and education I wonder how much it would cost big business to pay the costs of those services themselves.

It would cost the exact same amount per person as it would if individuals had to pay out of pocket themselves. But as per your usual socialist, entitlement, lack-of-personal-responsibility mentality, this comes as no surprise that you deem private individuals as being separated from private companies (as if their salaries wouldn't be adjusted to compensate for medical coverage)

Health care provides a healthier workforce free of charge to every employer in Canada. And education provides a literate workforce to the same employers.

Free of charge?... That's rich.

Tell ya what, you ought to start a movement demanding that Joe Average refuse (absolutely) to work for an employer for the above reason(s) and see what happens.

As for you comments regarding roads please give me an example of a public highway built by a private corporation, not something intended for use only by a business.

The road that Cliffy was hit on in BC

While you are at it throw in a few examples of other public facilities like airports, universities, technical schools, libraries, recreation centres, and sewer and water lines built by private companies. If you can even find one example in a hundred you would be doing quite well.

All of the cash used to build the aforementioned is derived from private individuals employed by private companies... And in anticipation of your next retarded follow-up question; yes the cash that is used to fund gvt employees and operations also originates from the private sector

It appears that a number of people can come up with single examples of such roads, but I just wonder how they compare with the massive infrastructure provided by public spending.

Funny how a number of people all have schooled you with their inputs, yet in the expected response is outright stubborn denial.... So, seeing how you are soooo certain of your position, why not provide the proof that supports your comments.

.... Yeah, I thought not

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That ain't the truth. I got me the TRUTH raht char, an' I kin PROVE it with this here anecdote!

 

[JLM]

I don't know. Are highways and airports built by private companies?

Depends on what you mean by built by!

 

[captain morgan]

That ain't the truth. I got me the TRUTH raht char, an' I kin PROVE it with this here anecdote!

Amen brudder... Testify!

 

[PoliticalNick]

I don't know. Are highways and airports built by private companies?

Yes, the govt doesn't own a construction company and moved to contracting road services years ago.

The funny bit out of the way the real answer is still yes. All infrastructure is built by private companies and private individuals because the government actually creates nothing. They take the fruits of our labour and use it however they please while siphoning their "fair-share" (ROFLMAO) off the top for doing it and ensuring their buddies get their "fair-share" of the contracts.

Logging roads? I wonder how they compare to the vast network of highways and urban roads. That is like claiming a driveway is an example of public infrastructure.

You would be amazed if you ever left the city. There are far more miles of logging roads and oil patch roads in BC & AB than paved highways.
Also consider the Feds/Prov do not build all roads, only major highways and arterial roads. The local governments are responsible for most secondary roads and any new subdivision or development has roads built by the developer.

Again though back to the point above.....the government does nothing but skim off the top adding to costs, it is the taxpayers who fund the project that build it.

And apparently you do not know the deal the provincial government struck with the oil companies concerning revenue from the oils sands. Many of the companies pay no royalties until the cost of their investment has been fully recovered. Even conceding that point, why shouldn't the oil companies pay taxes They are exploiting a resource that is owned by the people of Alberta.

Apparently you don't know the deal either. Certain aspects of exploration and development are royalty free but as soon as a well is online and producing they pay. To think oil companies pay no taxes is ludicrous. They pay incredible amounts of licensing fees and regulatory commission costs and on and on....in fact they fund all the government costs and agencies involved plus pay income taxes and royalties on top.

You obviously think the corporations get everything for free without any idea of what the truth is. Like their 3% tax rate equates to multiple billions of dollars and your 17% rate does't fund a doctor visit.

 

[Twin_Moose]

It appears that a number of people can come up with single examples of such roads, but I just wonder how they compare with the massive infrastructure provided by public spending.

You asked for 1 example here is another just last year in Man. Hyw # 255 was upgraded through the heavy haul route cost was covered by the local oil companies

 

[TenPenny]

People on here always make blanket statements, and ask for one example to the contrary, then when one is provided, they say, 'yeah, but that's just one'.


A remedial course on the concept of 'many' vs 'all' would be useful to some posters.

 

[captain morgan]

People on here always make blanket statements, and ask for one example to the contrary, then when one is provided, they say, 'yeah, but that's just one'.


A remedial course on the concept of 'many' vs 'all' would be useful to some posters.

If the Ring of Fire play ever gets approved, you'll see a great deal of infrastructure development throughout the region

 

[JLM]

People on here always make blanket statements, and ask for one example to the contrary, then when one is provided, they say, 'yeah, but that's just one'.


A remedial course on the concept of 'many' vs 'all' would be useful to some posters.

That's a phenomenon that is as old as time. Remember when you were a kid and you pleaded with your parents that "everyone has got one" or "everyone is doing it"? Things haven't changed!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

People on here always make blanket statements, and ask for one example to the contrary, then when one is provided, they say, 'yeah, but that's just one'.


A remedial course on the concept of 'many' vs 'all' would be useful to some posters.

Not when the purpose is to "win," rather than to have a discussion in which one might actually learn something.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Of course you don't



You asked for examples, you got them.

Try Kennedy Road and Silver Summit North of Edson... Originally logging roads (Weldwood), now paid-for expansion and complete maintenance by (wait for it), the oil companies. The general public uses that road daily



Good God, you are one dumb fukk... PS - not included is the corp taxes paid provincially and federally (look it up yourself)

Revenue ($ Millions)

Natural Gas & By-product Royalty
2016/17 - $520

Conventional Oil Royalty
2016/17 - $716

Oil Sands Royalty
2016/17 - $1,483

Coal Royalty
2016/17 - $26

Non Renewable Resource Revenue
2016/17 - $3,097

Freehold Mineral Tax
2016/17 - $57



I guess that you're just a super shitty communicator



I am honestly not surprised that this is waaayyyyy above your head.



It would cost the exact same amount per person as it would if individuals had to pay out of pocket themselves. But as per your usual socialist, entitlement, lack-of-personal-responsibility mentality, this comes as no surprise that you deem private individuals as being separated from private companies (as if their salaries wouldn't be adjusted to compensate for medical coverage)



Free of charge?... That's rich.

Tell ya what, you ought to start a movement demanding that Joe Average refuse (absolutely) to work for an employer for the above reason(s) and see what happens.



The road that Cliffy was hit on in BC



All of the cash used to build the aforementioned is derived from private individuals employed by private companies... And in anticipation of your next retarded follow-up question; yes the cash that is used to fund gvt employees and operations also originates from the private sector



Funny how a number of people all have schooled you with their inputs, yet in the expected response is outright stubborn denial.... So, seeing how you are soooo certain of your position, why not provide the proof that supports your comments.

.... Yeah, I thought not

No one has schooled me on anything. I pointed out that the wealthy generally use more of the resources and infrastructure of a nation. No one including you has posted anything to disprove that, mainly because they can't.

You asked for 1 example here is another just last year in Man. Hyw # 255 was upgraded through the heavy haul route cost was covered by the local oil companies

Yes, but there is no mention of public roads. By you standards my driveway qualifies as private infrastructure.

 

[JLM]

No one has schooled me on anything. I pointed out that the wealthy generally use more of the resources and infrastructure of a nation. No one including you has posted anything to disprove that, mainly because they can't.

That's quite arguable perhaps to the point of being bull shit! They probably don't have the cops called on them as often. Possibly don't get hospitalized as often after criminal acts or acts of stupidity. I wouldn't suspect they use the food banks as much. They probably don't use transit as much. They probably don't even use the library as much.

 

[TenPenny]

I don't quite follow how a discussion about millionaires becomes an argument about oil and gas companies. Millionaires are people, not corporations.

 

[taxslave]

No one has schooled me on anything. I pointed out that the wealthy generally use more of the resources and infrastructure of a nation. No one including you has posted anything to disprove that, mainly because they can't.



Yes, but there is no mention of public roads. By you standards my driveway qualifies as private infrastructure.

Dude your driveway IS private infrastructure.
THe wealthy also pay far more for the use than most people. Airports are self supporting so that means that the frequent flyers pay much more for their upkeep than someone that seldom fly's and those that don't fly regardless of income don't pay at all. WHich is how things should be.

 

[captain morgan]

I don't quite follow how a discussion about millionaires becomes an argument about oil and gas companies. Millionaires are people, not corporations.

Some folks work very hard to make the data fit the expectations rather than allow the info to simply speak for itself

Dude your driveway IS private infrastructure.
THe wealthy also pay far more for the use than most people. Airports are self supporting so that means that the frequent flyers pay much more for their upkeep than someone that seldom fly's and those that don't fly regardless of income don't pay at all. WHich is how things should be.

He'll never get it.

The warped sense of equality and entitlement force a perspective that begs his conclusions must fit regardless of the facts

 

[Bar Sinister]

Dude your driveway IS private infrastructure.
THe wealthy also pay far more for the use than most people. Airports are self supporting so that means that the frequent flyers pay much more for their upkeep than someone that seldom fly's and those that don't fly regardless of income don't pay at all. WHich is how things should be.

Ah - you figured it out. Logging roads are also private infrastructure.

That's quite arguable perhaps to the point of being bull shit! They probably don't have the cops called on them as often. Possibly don't get hospitalized as often after criminal acts or acts of stupidity. I wouldn't suspect they use the food banks as much. They probably don't use transit as much. They probably don't even use the library as much.

Somehow I think that those you mentioned use a great deal less of the public infrastructure than the average millionaire. The last I checked the destitute made very little use of most public infrastructure since they lacked the income to make use of it.

 

[taxslave]

Ah - you figured it out. Logging roads are also private infrastructure.

No they are not. At least not in BC unless they are on private timberlands. I have built over 100Km of losing roads on the coast for tenure holders and MoF and none were private. If you want some light bedtime reading try the Forest Act.

 

[Bar Sinister]

No they are not. At least not in BC unless they are on private timberlands. I have built over 100Km of losing roads on the coast for tenure holders and MoF and none were private. If you want some light bedtime reading try the Forest Act.

Really? I wonder how many of those roads actually lead to anywhere the average BC resident wants to go. Anyone can build a road to nowhere. I'm talking about infrastructure that gets daily use by most of the population, not some obscure road in the wilderness that doesn't even show on most maps.

 

[taxslave]

Somehow I think that those you mentioned use a great deal less of the public infrastructure than the average millionaire. The last I checked the destitute made very little use of most public infrastructure since they lacked the income to make use of it.

Unless you count hospitals, jails, nut house, social services,busses welfare etc etc. All things they get for free but we pay for.Know what happens when someone with no money gets a fine? They get three hots & a cot for a while. SO who doesn't pay their fair share?

Really? I wonder how many of those roads actually lead to anywhere the average BC resident wants to go. Anyone can build a road to nowhere. I'm talking about infrastructure that gets daily use by most of the population, not some obscure road in the wilderness that doesn't even show on most maps.

ANyone that does backcountry. All for free.

Want to dig yourself in a little deeper?