What is wrong with a two tier health system?

[TenPenny]

I've only met radicals and I lived and worked in downtown Toronto for 10 years.

So what you're really saying is that people in Toronto are horrible. You won't find many to disagree with you there.

 

[AMKiller]

So what you're really saying is that people in Toronto are horrible. You won't find many to disagree with you there.

Yea, the Muslims in Toronto are horrible people. Everyone else is nice.

 

[JLM]

I understand immigrants are vital. Let's limit the Muslims we let in and focus on Latin America, Sikhs, Hindus, East Asian, Europe and parts of Africa. Letting in too many Muslims will hurt Canada in the long run, look at Europe for evidence of the havoc caused by allowing too many Muslims.

Should we be discriminating? Ya think?

 

[White_Unifier]

Muslim women aren't allowed to marry outside of Islam.

Like I said before, we can't do anything about that but we can limit the numbers of Muslims coming into Canada.


I've only met radicals and I lived and worked in downtown Toronto for 10 years.

The only good Muslims I met were those that are apostates or don't adhere to Islamic principles.

Wait, I met one nice old Muslim lady that was religious but not a hypocrite in any way.


If they were good people then they didn't follow Islamic traditions, those good Muslims are rare.

Can A Muslim Woman Marry A Non-Muslim Man? | HuffPost

Again, the question of whether a Muslim woman can marry a Christian man is unclear, mainly due to the meaning of 'believer' in the Qur'an.

Also, if the Qur'an were the word of God, would we not presume that God would have understood the mathematically logistical problem of allowing Muslim men to marry non-muslim women but not all Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men?

 

[AMKiller]

Can A Muslim Woman Marry A Non-Muslim Man? | HuffPost

Again, the question of whether a Muslim woman can marry a Christian man is unclear, mainly due to the meaning of 'believer' in the Qur'an.

Also, if the Qur'an were the word of God, would we not presume that God would have understood the mathematically logistical problem of allowing Muslim men to marry non-muslim women but not all Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men?

The resident Muslim here says a Muslim woman can't marry outside of the religion.

99% of Muslims feel the same way. It's their Quran and that's how they interpret it.

Can A Muslim Woman Marry A Non-Muslim Man? | HuffPost

Again, the question of whether a Muslim woman can marry a Christian man is unclear, mainly due to the meaning of 'believer' in the Qur'an.

Also, if the Qur'an were the word of God, would we not presume that God would have understood the mathematically logistical problem of allowing Muslim men to marry non-muslim women but not all Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men?

The Quran is full of ambiguous shit, it's a dangerous book because Muslims are so entrenched by it's words. You cannot separate Muslims from the Quran, even they will tell you this. Are you just finding this out now?

 

[White_Unifier]

The resident Muslim here says a Muslim woman can't marry outside of the religion.

99% of Muslims feel the same way. It's their Quran and that's how they interpret it.


The Quran is full of ambiguous shit, it's a dangerous book because Muslims are so entrenched by it's words. You cannot separate Muslims from the Quran, even they will tell you this. Are you just finding this out now?

Actually, Muslims try to abide by the laws of the Qur'an. As a result, their task is to try to understand the Qur'an, not try to impose their interpretation onto it. Like I said, the Qur'an says what the Qur'an says. Many common misinterpretations don't originate in the Qur'an itself.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I understand immigrants are vital. Let's limit the Muslims we let in and focus on Latin America, Sikhs, Hindus, East Asian, Europe and parts of Africa. Letting in too many Muslims will hurt Canada in the long run, look at Europe for evidence of the havoc caused by allowing too many Muslims.

Actually, I am looking at Canada for evidence of havoc caused by Muslims. We have had eight Muslim related terrorist incidents in Canada since 1999 with two deaths. The FLQ in Quebec killed far more than that and they were not immigrants. In fact more Muslims have been killed by other Canadians than the other way around. And the worst terrorist group? - Sikhs who brought down a planeload of Canadians over the Atlantic.

The resident Muslim here says a Muslim woman can't marry outside of the religion.

99% of Muslims feel the same way. It's their Quran and that's how they interpret it.

And the Catholic Church says Catholics are not supposed to marry outside their religion. And Jews aren't supposed to marry non-Jews. There is nothing unique to Islam regarding the narrowness of its beliefs regarding marriage.

 

[Kreskin]

Generally all of the tests and work up are done at the expense of public care. I say private is ok if all related care is paid privately. The private practitioner shouldn't cost out the public system for anything.

And if the patient elects to use private for his final procedure the public system should recover costs for all previous related workup.

 

[AMKiller]

Actually, I am looking at Canada for evidence of havoc caused by Muslims. We have had eight Muslim related terrorist incidents in Canada since 1999 with two deaths. The FLQ in Quebec killed far more than that and they were not immigrants. In fact more Muslims have been killed by other Canadians than the other way around. And the worst terrorist group? - Sikhs who brought down a planeload of Canadians over the Atlantic.



And the Catholic Church says Catholics are not supposed to marry outside their religion. And Jews aren't supposed to marry non-Jews. There is nothing unique to Islam regarding the narrowness of its beliefs regarding marriage.

Give it time, Muslims don't have the numbers in Canada yet. Btw, where did I mention Muslims were causing havoc in Canada? I did write Europe in my post. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Yet Catholics and Jews marry outside their religion all the time, Btw, I wrote Muslim WOMEN CAN'T marry outside the religion while Muslim men CAN. More reading comprehension problems.

Generally all of the tests and work up are done at the expense of public care. I say private is ok if all related care is paid privately. The private practitioner shouldn't cost out the public system for anything.

And if the patient elects to use private for his final procedure the public system should recover costs for all previous related workup.

Well, with private insurance all those tests and work ups would be paid for by their private insurance.

Actually, Muslims try to abide by the laws of the Qur'an. As a result, their task is to try to understand the Qur'an, not try to impose their interpretation onto it. Like I said, the Qur'an says what the Qur'an says. Many common misinterpretations don't originate in the Qur'an itself.

So what's the interpretation for the verse "Killing a human being is like killing the world, unless they create mischief across the land". What does "mischief" entail?

 

[JLM]

"The private practitioner shouldn't cost out the public system for anything." Perhaps the validity of that statement should be looked into a little more thoroughly. The source of money for the public system comes out of the pockets of virtually all of us.

 

[AMKiller]

What's wrong with two tier?

Nothing, as long as provides the same level of care for every person in the country.

Why should it be the same level of coveragewhen people pay for their own coverage along with taxes to subsidize others? People that pay their own insurance should go to the front of the line, after all private insurance owners are paying extra for their care, and shouldn't have to wait to get MRIs and surgeries done. Besides, people that want the status quo won't be waiting as long as they are today for specialists and surgeries.

 

[AMKiller]

Same level meaning the same treatments.

Rich or poor.

Taxes or no taxes.

Well that would be stupid. Do you think the rich or politicians get the same treatment as the poor? If you do you're deluded.

You think because somebody wants to buy their own insurance they are rich?

If poor people can't get good treatment then they should do something about changing their lot in life.

Besides, why should I care about people that can't even pay their own taxes? Women that choose to have multiple babies with multiple fathers? Self destructive people that dont even care about themselves?

 

[AMKiller]

Okay, given your comments I don't agree with two tier health care.

So you're against burdening the system less? It works fine in France and Germany where wait times are minuscule compared to Canada.

 

[Durry]

Some time ago the government decided (the Libs) it was going to have a socialized Health Care in Canada.
Everybody was to get free HC, rich or poor would not play a role, and it was illegal to pay a Doc and illegal for Doc to take money.
Totally socialized system.

The poor and useless like it;
The Rich hate it.

Typical of any socialized system.

But the good news is that since we live close to the US, you can always go there and pay for the service.
More and more Canadian are going abroad to get hips replaced, other joints etc, numbers going up rapidly.

It's highly unlikely this will change, the best way to change it is to lobby of who gets free HC and how much ie immigrants,,, like I mentioned before.

 

[AMKiller]

France and Germany offer the same level of care for all. You don't seem to want this.

If we are talking about improving delivery of services via private hospitals and clinics then I have no issue as long as it is health care for all no matter income.

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I never said poor people can't have good healthcare but they would need to pay into it themselves instead of relying on others.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Give it time, Muslims don't have the numbers in Canada yet. Btw, where did I mention Muslims were causing havoc in Canada? I did write Europe in my post. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Yet Catholics and Jews marry outside their religion all the time, Btw, I wrote Muslim WOMEN CAN'T marry outside the religion while Muslim men CAN. More reading comprehension problems.


Well, with private insurance all those tests and work ups would be paid for by their private insurance.


So what's the interpretation for the verse "Killing a human being is like killing the world, unless they create mischief across the land". What does "mischief" entail?

My reading comprehension is fine it is your memory that is the problem. This is what you posted "Letting in too many Muslims will hurt Canada in the long run, look at Europe for evidence of the havoc caused by allowing too many Muslims." If you don't realize that you made a direct link between Canada and Europe in that sentence then you've got the reading problem, not me.

And you missed the point about marrying outside religion. Quite obviously those who do so simply ignore their religion. There is no reason why Muslims, either male or female, cannot do the same. You are right - "more reading problems," but they are yours.

Also there really isn't much difference between the Muslim population of Canada and nations like Britain (3% vs 4%), we just seem to have fewer problems concerning their integration; probably because Canadians are a bit more accepting of foreigners than the Brits.

I never said poor people can't have good healthcare but they would need to pay into it themselves instead of relying on others.

Really? And exactly how are people who can barely afford food or rent afford to pay for health care? Why don't you just say what you really mean - that you don't give a damn about anyone except yourself?

 

[AMKiller]

My reading comprehension is fine it is your memory that is the problem. This is what you posted "Letting in too many Muslims will hurt Canada in the long run, look at Europe for evidence of the havoc caused by allowing too many Muslims." If you don't realize that you made a direct link between Canada and Europe in that sentence then you've got the reading problem, not me.

And you missed the point about marrying outside religion. Quite obviously those who do so simply ignore their religion. There is no reason why Muslims, either male or female, cannot do the same. You are right - "more reading problems," but they are yours.

Also there really isn't much difference between the Muslim population of Canada and nations like Britain (3% vs 4%), we just seem to have fewer problems concerning their integration; probably because Canadians are a bit more accepting of foreigners than the Brits.



Really? And exactly how are people who can barely afford food or rent afford to pay for health care? Why don't you just say what you really mean - that you don't give a damn about anyone except yourself?

I wrote Canada wasn't at Europe's level when it comes to Muslim immigration. What do you think I meant when I wrote Canada HASN'T reached that level yet?

Muslims don't at all. It's haram for a WOMAN to marry outside the faith. While other religions maibe advocate for both men and women not to marry outside the religion, only Islam says it's fine for men to do it but not for women.

Muslims make up 4.5% of the population, and that is the 2011 census number. It's closer to 6%, probably over that number, today.

Actually, I care about people that have some kind of ambition in life. What I don't care for is junkies and welfare moms taking advantage of the systems while creating a heavy burden on the system.

Then why not full private insurance and hospitals where everyone just pays their own way?

I'd love that but you wouldn't.

 

[Danbones]

Yah our health care system is too tierd alright

needs new blood or something

 

[AMKiller]

Which makes any discussion with you about two tier healthcare pointless.

Good day friend.

Ya, what do you care, it ain't your money.

 

[JLM]

I wrote Canada wasn't at Europe's level when it comes to Muslim immigration. What do you think I meant when I wrote Canada HASN'T reached that level yet?

Muslims don't at all. It's haram for a WOMAN to marry outside the faith. While other religions maibe advocate for both men and women not to marry outside the religion, only Islam says it's fine for men to do it but not for women.

Muslims make up 4.5% of the population, and that is the 2011 census number. It's closer to 6%, probably over that number, today.

Actually, I care about people that have some kind of ambition in life. What I don't care for is junkies and welfare moms taking advantage of the systems while creating a heavy burden on the system.

Maybe before bashing "welfare Moms", you may want to look to see if there is something missing in that equation!