Jagmeet Singh is a hypocrite

[Twin_Moose]

I've seen Muslim women driving with the niqab on. That's downright dangerous.

One Canadian value is letting women have their own identity. The niqab makes them faceless unidentifiable zombies. If there is one thing I'm in favour of it's banning the niqab. Every other Muslim dress is fine.

I agree with you about the government not funding religious schools and a tax credit is a good idea.

But all religious schools public or private without exception

 

[B00Mer]

Typical of these brown people, they like to call racism against Whites, but when Browns do it, it seems to be perfectly acceptable with these Brown types.

Canadians have always given these minorities a lot of slack and often overlooked their faults only because Canadians felt they were disadvantaged in some respect.

But these Browns have taken full advantage of the good nature of Canadians and now they feel they are entitled to benefits other Canadians are held to account for.

Time to call a spade a spade and call this Brown dude a racist.

Oh Durry, you're a classic.. :lol:

 

[ZulFiqar786]

Of course official bilingualism and the separate school systems are Canadian values. They're entrenched in the constitution and are mostly unique to Canada, at least in their constitutionally specified forms. That doesn't mean that all Canadians subscribe to these values though. I acknowledge them as quintessential Canadian values and myself as a Canadian, but I still disagree with them. that still doesn't make them any less uniquely Canadian values.

Bilingualism is an obscure and outdated policy. Even immigrants residing in Quebec, Montreal mostly, prefer to learn English and send their kids to English schools. In today’s world English is the international and business language. Learning French doesn’t make sense at all. It’s more sensible to learn Spanish, since millions of more people speak that language especially south of the border, hence better job prospects. People need to realize that nations are constantly changing, we have to update laws and policies to suit the times. The separate school system, meaning Ontario’s funding of Catholic schools is again based on an outdated treaty. It’s something that needs to end immediately, otherwise the government has to be fair and start funding Islamic and Jewish schools too.





Coming back to the point, none of you have been able to define these so called “Canadian values” once I pressed you on it. All you managed to cite were some arbitrary policies, mostly dealing with issues affecting our Muslim community. Does that mean Canadian values are all a reaction to the presence of Muslims? That doesn’t say much about Canada and not very flattering of her. But if you ask me, there is basically a single Canadian value and that is multiculturalism. That is a fundamental principle of Canadian society, everything else is secondary.

I'm a white French Canadian

Why is a French person displaying England’s flag?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Bilingualism is an obscure and outdated policy. Even immigrants residing in Quebec, Montreal mostly, prefer to learn English and send their kids to English schools. In today’s world English is the international and business language. Learning French doesn’t make sense at all. It’s more sensible to learn Spanish, since millions of more people speak that language especially south of the border, hence better job prospects. People need to realize that nations are constantly changing, we have to update laws and policies to suit the times. The separate school system, meaning Ontario’s funding of Catholic schools is again based on an outdated treaty. It’s something that needs to end immediately, otherwise the government has to be fair and start funding Islamic and Jewish schools too.





Coming back to the point, none of you have been able to define these so called “Canadian values” once I pressed you on it. All you managed to cite were some arbitrary policies, mostly dealing with issues affecting our Muslim community. Does that mean Canadian values are all a reaction to the presence of Muslims? That doesn’t say much about Canada and not very flattering of her. But if you ask me, there is basically a single Canadian value and that is multiculturalism. That is a fundamental principle of Canadian society, everything else is secondary.








Why is a French person displaying England’s flag?

Since we failed to give you acceptable answers for Canadian values maybe you can explain to us what you see in Canada that makes you not want to invoke your right to move back to India

 

[Johnnny]

Coming back to the point, none of you have been able to define these so called “Canadian values” once I pressed you on it. All you managed to cite were some arbitrary policies, mostly dealing with issues affecting our Muslim community. Does that mean Canadian values are all a reaction to the presence of Muslims? That doesn’t say much about Canada and not very flattering of her. But if you ask me, there is basically a single Canadian value and that is multiculturalism. That is a fundamental principle of Canadian society, everything else is secondary.

None of the policies i used were singling Muslims out. If i used an example that singled out Muslims then i showed a counter point showing that it wasn't a Muslim only thing, or that Muslims didnt let their religion get in the way.

It’s a matter of weighing priorities and determining if the benefit outweighs the harm or not. If there ends up being an epidemic of turbanned Sikhs getting head injuries then the policy can easily be scrapped and will be understanable to everyone. At present, the only real reason such exemptions are being refused to Sikhs is out of negative feelings and deeply ingrained sentiments of White racism and prejudice.

The thing is though, Safety Standards are put into place to prevent accidents. To say that we will wait for the accidents to happen, is a negligent attitude towards the concept of safety. The reason why people wear helmets now is because of head injuries sustained in past accidents. It has nothing to do with racism, no religion should supersede Safety Laws. The white man did not make Safety Rules to keep the religious man down, they were made to keep him alive and healthy.

I’m definitely in favor of scrapping govt. funding for Catholic schools, especially since that funding comes from our tax dollars. At the same time, parents who choose to send their children to any private religious school should get a tax credit for not using the public school system. Also, the government shouldn't interfere in the curriculum or policies of private religious schools.

All schools should be public school.

These are one of those artificial issues that are created to whip up hatred and negative feelings towards Muslims. Muslim ladies who veil their face with the niqab all without exception remove that veil for passport photos and other essential government ID. The only request we made was that Muslim ladies who veil their face should be granted a concession to uncover their face before a female officer with no other males present during the citizenship ceremony or police investigation, etc., a very reasonable and rational demand which was refused, again, purely out of negative feelings and bigotry.

It has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. We live in a genderless society now, and that might be an actual Canadian value that you will have to accept.

That attitude was the same as when i was in Iraq. I make eye contact with a female there and i get banned from entering the village, because making eye contact is the same as raping her. I still cant comprehend that mentality.

 

[ZulFiqar786]

All schools should be public school.

It has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. We live in a genderless society now, and that might be an actual Canadian value that you will have to accept.

That attitude was the same as when i was in Iraq. I make eye contact with a female there and i get banned from entering the village, because making eye contact is the same as raping her. I still cant comprehend that mentality.

Why should all schools be public? It’s not the job of the State to dictate to parents how they should raise and educate their children. Children belong to their parents not the State. You seem to be advocating some kind of very aggressive State secularism which is ultimately aimed at eradicating religious communities. This is basically a stepping stone away from fascism or Soviet style communism. The State needs to bud out of people’s business and let them live the way they want to. The whole point of secularism was to protect religion from the corrosive influence of the State. Now you seem to want the State to dictate how people practice their religion and start controlling schools and perhaps even places of worship like mosques and synagogues and dictate to us what we should and shouldn’t do?

And having a genderless society is absurd. This is why the State needs to stay away from social engineering and let people do what they naturally do. Keep that genderless stuff in Sweden. It seems you want to totally emasculate men. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the ultimate agenda of the deep state really is going by developments in Europe. Thankfully we here in North America aren’t going down this radical left path, we still have a semblance of sanity.

If you don’t like our culture don’t be a part of it. In our culture women remain feminine and shy, that’s part of their attraction. We have a code of honor about our women. Any society which doesn’t have a code of honor ultimately descends into decadence and chaos. So don't try to interfere in our culture and religious way of life and try to dictate to us.

 

[AMKiller]

That’s just stupid. Niqab leaves the eyes uncovered. Do you need your eyes to drive or your mouth? Get real dude.




Btw, I see a lot of Asians covering their faces with these surgical masks. They seem to be very paranoid about airborne bacteria or whatever. But hey to each his own. And there are a lot more Asians covering their faces with surgical masks than Muslim ladies using the niqab, who are very rare.

It isn't stupid, thereis only a small slit, peripheral vision is compromised and obscured. It is dangerous so maybe we should follow the Saudi example but instead of all women, veiled women should be banned from driving. Isn't that what you want Canada to emulate?

Surgical masks don't cover your hair and forehead and they are plainly visible and identifiable.

 

[lone wolf]

Don't let your culture and religious way of life determine my culture and way of life and we'll get on fine. It's when foreign standards are demanded to make our home over into what newcomers left behind the rocks start flying

 

[Johnnny]

Why should all schools be public? It’s not the job of the State to dictate to parents how they should raise and educate their children. Children belong to their parents not the State. You seem to be advocating some kind of very aggressive State secularism which is ultimately aimed at eradicating religious communities. This is basically a stepping stone away from fascism or Soviet style communism. The State needs to bud out of people’s business and let them live the way they want to. The whole point of secularism was to protect religion from the corrosive influence of the State. Now you seem to want the State to dictate how people practice their religion and start controlling schools and perhaps even places of worship like mosques and synagogues and dictate to us what we should and shouldn’t do?

I didn't say that religion couldn't be part of the curriculum.

I never said you couldn't pray to your god on private property like a mosque or church, and neither did i say that we should remove places of worship

Plus its not going to happen anyways, so chill out dude.

And having a genderless society is absurd. This is why the State needs to stay away from social engineering and let people do what they naturally do. Keep that genderless stuff in Sweden. It seems you want to totally emasculate men. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the ultimate agenda of the deep state really is going by developments in Europe. Thankfully we here in North America aren’t going down this radical left path, we still have a semblance of sanity.

You sound scared.

You do know that Birth Certificates and Passports are becoming gender neutral, if they haven't already. Heck even Conservative Pakistan is starting to do it on their passports.

Time to get with the times Dawg.

Its not about emasculating the "man", it just seems to be the way things are going.

 

[AMKiller]

Bilingualism is an obscure and outdated policy. Even immigrants residing in Quebec, Montreal mostly, prefer to learn English and send their kids to English schools. In today’s world English is the international and business language. Learning French doesn’t make sense at all. It’s more sensible to learn Spanish, since millions of more people speak that language especially south of the border, hence better job prospects. People need to realize that nations are constantly changing, we have to update laws and policies to suit the times. The separate school system, meaning Ontario’s funding of Catholic schools is again based on an outdated treaty. It’s something that needs to end immediately, otherwise the government has to be fair and start funding Islamic and Jewish schools too.





Coming back to the point, none of you have been able to define these so called “Canadian values” once I pressed you on it. All you managed to cite were some arbitrary policies, mostly dealing with issues affecting our Muslim community. Does that mean Canadian values are all a reaction to the presence of Muslims? That doesn’t say much about Canada and not very flattering of her. But if you ask me, there is basically a single Canadian value and that is multiculturalism. That is a fundamental principle of Canadian society, everything else is secondary.








Why is a French person displaying England’s flag?

In Quebec, if kids have never gone to English school or any family member has never gone to English school then the child must go to French school.

I highly doubt most kids from Muslim countries have attended any English schools in those countries and most likely attended French or Arab schools.

So you guys should compose a list of unique Canadian values. This should be an interesting exercise.

I've already listed Canadian values, you choose to ignore them because they aren't "unique" to Canada. Canada is part of western culture and our values are alike.

Why should all schools be public? It’s not the job of the State to dictate to parents how they should raise and educate their children. Children belong to their parents not the State. You seem to be advocating some kind of very aggressive State secularism which is ultimately aimed at eradicating religious communities. This is basically a stepping stone away from fascism or Soviet style communism. The State needs to bud out of people’s business and let them live the way they want to. The whole point of secularism was to protect religion from the corrosive influence of the State. Now you seem to want the State to dictate how people practice their religion and start controlling schools and perhaps even places of worship like mosques and synagogues and dictate to us what we should and shouldn’t do?

And having a genderless society is absurd. This is why the State needs to stay away from social engineering and let people do what they naturally do. Keep that genderless stuff in Sweden. It seems you want to totally emasculate men. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the ultimate agenda of the deep state really is going by developments in Europe. Thankfully we here in North America aren’t going down this radical left path, we still have a semblance of sanity.

If you don’t like our culture don’t be a part of it. In our culture women remain feminine and shy, that’s part of their attraction. We have a code of honor about our women. Any society which doesn’t have a code of honor ultimately descends into decadence and chaos. So don't try to interfere in our culture and religious way of life and try to dictate to us.

You can practice religion at home and in the mosque where it belongs. It doesn't belong in school because it is a faith and doesn't deal in absolutes.

Though I would be fine with teaching religions of the world as a part of the history curriculum.

I didn't say that religion couldn't be part of the curriculum.

I never said you couldn't pray to your god on private property like a mosque or church, and neither did i say that we should remove places of worship

Plus its not going to happen anyways, so chill out dude.






You sound scared.

You do know that Birth Certificates and Passports are becoming gender neutral, if they haven't already. Heck even Conservative Pakistan is starting to do it on their passports.

Time to get with the times Dawg.

Its not about emasculating the "man", it just seems to be the way things are going.

The only thing this clown wants is for Canada to become a radical Islamic nation. I see it in his writing.

 

[ZulFiqar786]

Don't let your culture and religious way of life determine my culture and way of life and we'll get on fine. It's when foreign standards are demanded to make our home over into what newcomers left behind the rocks start flying

We are not trying to make Canada into Saudi Arabia. Don’t be so paranoid it makes you guys look ridiculous. The point is that White people somehow think their rights are being attacked when we Muslims practice our religion, when our women don the burqa, or when we build a mosque, open a Halal shop, or even circumcise our children. How is what we do among ourselves effecting non-Muslims. The truth is that White people don’t want to see Muslims with our unique practices, with our mosques, our dress, our fragrances, our incense, etc. and above all our religiosity. The truth is that at the time its basically only Muslims who take their religion seriously. Only the mosques are full to the brim. Churches are empty and just taking up space. This why most mosques are actually churches that we buy and convert.

 

[Johnnny]

We are not trying to make Canada into Saudi Arabia. Don’t be so paranoid it makes you guys look ridiculous. The point is that White people somehow think their rights are being attacked when we Muslims practice our religion, when our women don the burqa, or when we build a mosque, open a Halal shop, or even circumcise our children. How is what we do among ourselves effecting non-Muslims. The truth is that White people don’t want to see Muslims with our unique practices, with our mosques, our dress, our fragrances, our incense, etc. and above all our religiosity. The truth is that at the time its basically only Muslims who take their religion seriously. Only the mosques are full to the brim. Churches are empty and just taking up space. This why most mosques are actually churches that we buy and convert.

I don't know if you follow World News, but its not just white people.

Compared to whats going on in Central Africa and South East Asia, the White people have been saints towards Muslims.

Everything is White People with you.

 

[ZulFiqar786]

I don't know if you follow World News, but its not just white people.

Compared to whats going on in Central Africa and South East Asia, the White people have been saints towards Muslims.

Everything is White People with you.

Because I’m a Canadian Muslim. I live in a particular part of the world. All politics is local. Sure I’m disturbed about the increasing intolerance of Muslims around the world. But in fact, such atrocities against Muslims in places like Africa, India, Burma, and even China are being done in the name of the “War on Terror” which was started by America and Europe. Now anytime a government wants to attack its Muslim populace for whatever motivation, all it has to do is say these Muslims are in fact terrorists and what not, and then they end up massacring the most impoverished, weak and helpless people and get away with it because of the narrative that Muslims are all violent terrorists. However, since I live in Canada I’m first and foremost concerned with the issues that affect our community here.

 

[Johnnny]

However, since I live in Canada I’m first and foremost concerned with the issues that affect our community here.

First World Problems

 

[AMKiller]

We are not trying to make Canada into Saudi Arabia. Don’t be so paranoid it makes you guys look ridiculous. The point is that White people somehow think their rights are being attacked when we Muslims practice our religion, when our women don the burqa, or when we build a mosque, open a Halal shop, or even circumcise our children. How is what we do among ourselves effecting non-Muslims. The truth is that White people don’t want to see Muslims with our unique practices, with our mosques, our dress, our fragrances, our incense, etc. and above all our religiosity. The truth is that at the time its basically only Muslims who take their religion seriously. Only the mosques are full to the brim. Churches are empty and just taking up space. This why most mosques are actually churches that we buy and convert.

Female genital mutilation does have an affect on rising healthcare costs.

Mosques preach hatred towards other religions on a daily basis. Many verses and suras in the Hadith preach intolerance and violence towards infidels.

I believe what you meant to say, only Muslims are fanatical about their religion. Most other religions seperate it from the public sphere.

It isn't only whites that don't want to see your bullshit on display. China has banned practicing Islam from it's country. Europe has had a long history with Islam and it's destructive nature.

I don't know if you follow World News, but its not just white people.

Compared to whats going on in Central Africa and South East Asia, the White people have been saints towards Muslims.

Everything is White People with you.

Exactly. Whites aren't the only race to have had Run-ins with Muslim's need to impose their will.

And isn't it funny that Muslims screech about white colonialism when the Ottoman Empire were colonialists for 800 years. The Moghul colonialists committed huge atrocities in India and killed 400 million Hindus and Sikhs in 800 years of rule. To a lesser extent, the Moors were colonialists in Spain and France. Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Jerusalem were Christian nations once but were colonialized by Muslims.

Muslims also put the onus of the slave trade at white people's feet when in fact they were profiting from it. And while white men abolished slavery in the Western Hemisphere, to this day Muslims still keep slaves.

Muslims are just as guilty of all these things I've mentioned and are still guilty to this very day.

Because I’m a Canadian Muslim. I live in a particular part of the world. All politics is local. Sure I’m disturbed about the increasing intolerance of Muslims around the world. But in fact, such atrocities against Muslims in places like Africa, India, Burma, and even China are being done in the name of the “War on Terror” which was started by America and Europe. Now anytime a government wants to attack its Muslim populace for whatever motivation, all it has to do is say these Muslims are in fact terrorists and what not, and then they end up massacring the most impoverished, weak and helpless people and get away with it because of the narrative that Muslims are all violent terrorists. However, since I live in Canada I’m first and foremost concerned with the issues that affect our community here.

Muslims have only themselves and their ideology to blame for anti-Muslim feelings.

 

[Bar Sinister]

It isn't stupid, thereis only a small slit, peripheral vision is compromised and obscured. It is dangerous so maybe we should follow the Saudi example but instead of all women, veiled women should be banned from driving. Isn't that what you want Canada to emulate?

Surgical masks don't cover your hair and forehead and they are plainly visible and identifiable.

The Saudi example isn't really relevant due to the fact that headgear for many Saudi women actually has a veil in front of the eyes. The Saudis are so misogynistic that they won't even allow women to show their eyes in public.

As for visibility without a veil I am sure they can see just as well as this guy.

 

[AMKiller]

The Saudi example isn't really relevant due to the fact that headgear for many Saudi women actually has a veil in front of the eyes. The Saudis are so misogynistic that they won't even allow women to show their eyes in public.

As for visibility without a veil I am sure they can see just as well as this guy.

Let's compare.

 

[lone wolf]

We are not trying to make Canada into Saudi Arabia. Don’t be so paranoid it makes you guys look ridiculous. The point is that White people somehow think their rights are being attacked when we Muslims practice our religion, when our women don the burqa, or when we build a mosque, open a Halal shop, or even circumcise our children. How is what we do among ourselves effecting non-Muslims. The truth is that White people don’t want to see Muslims with our unique practices, with our mosques, our dress, our fragrances, our incense, etc. and above all our religiosity. The truth is that at the time its basically only Muslims who take their religion seriously. Only the mosques are full to the brim. Churches are empty and just taking up space. This why most mosques are actually churches that we buy and convert.

Stuff like this doesn't matter?...
Keep dogs away from Muslims, signs posted in Pitt Meadows off-leash park say | CTV Vancouver News

Note: Terms like "you guys" and generalizations don't make you look any more learned or tolerant....

 

[Bar Sinister]

Let's compare.

Actually the woman has better peripheral vision than the man as there is no helmet to block her vision.

 

[AMKiller]

Actually the woman has better peripheral vision than the man as there is no helmet to block her vision.

Except for the folds of her hijab. And what if it the top of the veil falls to her eyes, a helmet is very snug.