Exxon shutting down second largest fossil fuel complex in the US

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Exxon did know about climate change since the 70s — and it lied, knowingly

The world’s largest company knew what was going on for a long time.

It should surprise no one that ExxonMobil, the world’s largest oil company, does a lot of science. Many scientists will tell you that Exxon and other oil companies do some of the best geology studies out there — and that makes a lot of sense. With billions in profit every year and a direct interest in understanding both local and planetary processes, Exxon’s research and development is booming.

So one can only wonder then, why hasn’t Exxon addressed climate change earlier? It’s virtually impossible to study earth science and fossil fuels for so long and not come across anything, yet Exxon has refuted climate change for many years, saying that it’s not happening and investing millions and millions into denying it. Well, more and more evidence is lining up that Exxon did know about climate change, they just lied.

“[O]n the question of whether ExxonMobil misled non-scientific audiences about climate science, our analysis supports the conclusion that it did,” a team from Harvard University writes in the study.

“ExxonMobil contributed quietly to the science and loudly to raising doubts about it.”

A conflict of interests

Several pieces of evidence have emerged, all indicating that Exxon purposefully kept climate change science under the lid. It all peaked in 2015 when an email from inside the company revealed that Exxon had data pertaining to climate change as early as 1981 – seven years before it became a public issue.

Exxon replied, saying that the emails were cherry-picked and taken out of context.

“Read the documents,” a company release implored. “Go ahead, you really should. Read the documents InsideClimate News cites that purportedly prove some conspiracy on ExxonMobil’s part to hide our climate science findings.”

Scientists did just that. Science historians Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes went through 187 of the company’s climate change communications released between 1977 and 2014. In an op-ed accompanying the study, the two authors explain:

“We applied an empirical method known as content analysis to all relevant, publicly available internal company files that have led to allegations against Exxon Mobil, as well as all peer-reviewed and non-peer-reviewed publications offered by the company in response. We also analyzed 36 of the company’s paid “advertorials” about climate change that appeared as editorial-style advertisements on the Op-Ed pages of The New York Times between 1989 and 2004.”

Their findings are crystal clear: while privately, the company acknowledged climate change and understood the science behind it, publicly, it spent a lot of resources sowing the seeds of doubt and trying to convince the public that global warming is still an uncertain deal. The company opted for the cynical decision: convince people fossil fuels don’t do anything bad or risk losing face and business.

Exxon did know about climate change since the 70s -- and it lied, knowingly
 

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Exxon did know about climate change since the 70s — and it lied, knowingly

The world’s largest company knew what was going on for a long time.

It should surprise no one that ExxonMobil, the world’s largest oil company, does a lot of science. Many scientists will tell you that Exxon and other oil companies do some of the best geology studies out there — and that makes a lot of sense. With billions in profit every year and a direct interest in understanding both local and planetary processes, Exxon’s research and development is booming.

So one can only wonder then, why hasn’t Exxon addressed climate change earlier? It’s virtually impossible to study earth science and fossil fuels for so long and not come across anything, yet Exxon has refuted climate change for many years, saying that it’s not happening and investing millions and millions into denying it. Well, more and more evidence is lining up that Exxon did know about climate change, they just lied.

“[O]n the question of whether ExxonMobil misled non-scientific audiences about climate science, our analysis supports the conclusion that it did,” a team from Harvard University writes in the study.

“ExxonMobil contributed quietly to the science and loudly to raising doubts about it.”

A conflict of interests

Several pieces of evidence have emerged, all indicating that Exxon purposefully kept climate change science under the lid. It all peaked in 2015 when an email from inside the company revealed that Exxon had data pertaining to climate change as early as 1981 – seven years before it became a public issue.

Exxon replied, saying that the emails were cherry-picked and taken out of context.

“Read the documents,” a company release implored. “Go ahead, you really should. Read the documents InsideClimate News cites that purportedly prove some conspiracy on ExxonMobil’s part to hide our climate science findings.”

Scientists did just that. Science historians Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes went through 187 of the company’s climate change communications released between 1977 and 2014. In an op-ed accompanying the study, the two authors explain:

“We applied an empirical method known as content analysis to all relevant, publicly available internal company files that have led to allegations against Exxon Mobil, as well as all peer-reviewed and non-peer-reviewed publications offered by the company in response. We also analyzed 36 of the company’s paid “advertorials” about climate change that appeared as editorial-style advertisements on the Op-Ed pages of The New York Times between 1989 and 2004.”

Their findings are crystal clear: while privately, the company acknowledged climate change and understood the science behind it, publicly, it spent a lot of resources sowing the seeds of doubt and trying to convince the public that global warming is still an uncertain deal. The company opted for the cynical decision: convince people fossil fuels don’t do anything bad or risk losing face and business.

Exxon did know about climate change since the 70s -- and it lied, knowingly

Most of the worst natural disasters have happened on earth before humans existed........ you have been debunked mentalflake.

Or like you're greatest hero once said.

"A natural disasters, climate change dose not prove." Yoda

The flosstard strikes out, again. Apparently, hurricanes occurring in the middle of hurricane season are now the result of climate change.

:laughing3: Anything is a proof when you're a mentalflake

They have had predictions of the storm going in 7 different direction in the next 3 days.

Can't tell where a storm is going, but oh, trust us, we have the temperatures for the last 500
years all sorted out perfectly. And we can solve it with only more tax money.

Best post ever :laughing3:

It was a friggin' category 4 hurricane. Certainly not the biggest. It's also the first hurricane to make landfall in the US in 12 years.
Storms stalling and hanging around in place, like hurricanes have been known to do from time to time, are nothing new and have been happening since long, LONG before the IR.

You know the funny thing? When the prediction was made after the big one before Katrina, that the US would be seeing more and more larger and powerful hurricanes, they have actually averaged fewer hurricanes than they normally get hit by during hurricane season.

You know what they say about computer models right? GIGO.

But if it makes you feel any better, do your part and cut a cheque to the UN Climate Fund. It doesn't have to be a big one since you're just a low man on the totem pole but I'm sure every dollar will help make climate change go away. Well, you sure seem to think so.

:laughing3: Don't you ever grow tired of being viewed as a idiot Mentalflake? Really really really really believing in global warming, and then changing it to climate change doesn't make it so. Are humans having a effect? Sure, But its still very very very very very small.
 

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Exxon did know about climate change since the 70s — and it lied, knowingly

The world’s largest company knew what was going on for a long time.

It should surprise no one that ExxonMobil, the world’s largest oil company, does a lot of science. Many scientists will tell you that Exxon and other oil companies do some of the best geology studies out there — and that makes a lot of sense. With billions in profit every year and a direct interest in understanding both local and planetary processes, Exxon’s research and development is booming.

So one can only wonder then, why hasn’t Exxon addressed climate change earlier? It’s virtually impossible to study earth science and fossil fuels for so long and not come across anything, yet Exxon has refuted climate change for many years, saying that it’s not happening and investing millions and millions into denying it. Well, more and more evidence is lining up that Exxon did know about climate change, they just lied.

“[O]n the question of whether ExxonMobil misled non-scientific audiences about climate science, our analysis supports the conclusion that it did,” a team from Harvard University writes in the study.

“ExxonMobil contributed quietly to the science and loudly to raising doubts about it.”

A conflict of interests

Several pieces of evidence have emerged, all indicating that Exxon purposefully kept climate change science under the lid. It all peaked in 2015 when an email from inside the company revealed that Exxon had data pertaining to climate change as early as 1981 – seven years before it became a public issue.

Exxon replied, saying that the emails were cherry-picked and taken out of context.

“Read the documents,” a company release implored. “Go ahead, you really should. Read the documents InsideClimate News cites that purportedly prove some conspiracy on ExxonMobil’s part to hide our climate science findings.”

Scientists did just that. Science historians Geoffrey Supran and Naomi Oreskes went through 187 of the company’s climate change communications released between 1977 and 2014. In an op-ed accompanying the study, the two authors explain:

“We applied an empirical method known as content analysis to all relevant, publicly available internal company files that have led to allegations against Exxon Mobil, as well as all peer-reviewed and non-peer-reviewed publications offered by the company in response. We also analyzed 36 of the company’s paid “advertorials” about climate change that appeared as editorial-style advertisements on the Op-Ed pages of The New York Times between 1989 and 2004.”

Their findings are crystal clear: while privately, the company acknowledged climate change and understood the science behind it, publicly, it spent a lot of resources sowing the seeds of doubt and trying to convince the public that global warming is still an uncertain deal. The company opted for the cynical decision: convince people fossil fuels don’t do anything bad or risk losing face and business.

Exxon did know about climate change since the 70s -- and it lied, knowingly
Still trying to flog the long dead AGW horse again. You should try a further website.Might find someone there that will believe you.
 

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When was the last time Texas was flooded like this?



Houston, we have a problem.... at the Houston air port.
 

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When was the last time Texas was flooded like this?



Houston, we have a problem.... at the Houston air port.

Thats a easy one Cliffy.
The last ice age. And the last ice age before that. And the ice age before that ice age.
 
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Thats a easy one Cliffy.
The last ice age. And the last ice age before that. And the ice age before that ice age.
No. During the last ice age, the sea lever was 400 feet lower than it is today. There was a time, millions of years ago that the whole center of the US was a giant ocean though. You are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
 

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When was the last time Texas was flooded like this?



Houston, we have a problem.... at the Houston air port.

New Orleans has flooded. Many cities have flooded. There have been floods since the beginning of time. Houston has also flooded before. This one is a record but it has been hit by hurricanes before. I think the unusual thing about this one is that it has stuck around one area so long. Usually they just zip along causing flooding to wider areas rather than all just one stop.

But please go ahead and use it for your political agenda.

No. During the last ice age, the sea lever was 400 feet lower than it is today. There was a time, millions of years ago that the whole center of the US was a giant ocean though. You are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

That's because most of the water now in the ocean was frozen in glaciers. Thus lower sea levels. When the next ice age hits, they will go down as well.
 

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No. During the last ice age, the sea lever was 400 feet lower than it is today. There was a time, millions of years ago that the whole center of the US was a giant ocean though. You are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
Neither are you . The last time Houston saw a storm like that there were maybe a couple of hundred people living there . That does not mean it didn't happen . But then again we are only looking at a few hundred years of recorded history here in N.A. .

New Orleans has flooded. Many cities have flooded. There have been floods since the beginning of time. Houston has also flooded before. This one is a record but it has been hit by hurricanes before. I think the unusual thing about this one is that it has stuck around one area so long. Usually they just zip along causing flooding to wider areas rather than all just one stop.

But please go ahead and use it for your political agenda.



That's because most of the water now in the ocean was frozen in glaciers. Thus lower sea levels. When the next ice age hits, they will go down as well.
Yup read your bible .
 

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Before and after shot of Houston taken last night. The flooding is already catastrophic and there are still 4-5 days worth of rain coming.

Stay vigilant everyone, this will be a long hard journey ahead. The National Weather Service said today "This event is unprecedented & all impacts are unknown & beyond anything experienced." #Harvey
 

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Before and after shot of Houston taken last night. The flooding is already catastrophic and there are still 4-5 days worth of rain coming.

Stay vigilant everyone, this will be a long hard journey ahead. The National Weather Service said today "This event is unprecedented & all impacts are unknown & beyond anything experienced." #Harvey

This is totally normal.

Remember that one from 1789?

/Trumptard

Galveston, 1900. And it was way worse than Harvey. But hey, why bother looking for yourself, right?

Today's dumbest post on the internet.
 

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This is totally normal.

Remember that one from 1789?

/Trumptard



Today's dumbest post on the internet.
Well, there is one thing to be said about those who have the heads up their ass, they won't be aware when they are drowning. They'll think it is raining outside.
 

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Only a temporary move. The system has to be completely checked and restarted in the interests of safety for exposed to the Refinery.