You guys keep telling me that the country benefits, yet the only thing you want to send me is a tax bill while someone else benefits. I've said it before, you need to figure out who benefits, then force them to pick up the costs, not me. Anything less than that really suggests that the system is corrupt.
Why not allow free movement to Haitian refugees?
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You really need to stop pushing this idea, it's starting to look foolish.
No, he would not stay, because earning $5 an hour in Canada, and living 15 to a house,
would still be better than being in Haiti.
And I would prefer to not have Haitian standards.
This is always the fundamental problem with trying to be open and free with
3rd world countries. You force your population down to the lowest common denominator.
Now, every time you bring this up, you get shot down by 4 - 5 different posters.
Are you able to re-examine your own position ?
Um, more workers means dick if there aren't enough jobs for everyone. Which means a larger population to support on a shrinking tax base.
As long as employable Canadians are unemployed, this country shouldn't be bringing in anyone to fill jobs.
Flint Energy attempts to hire 600 TFWs draw workers
Because nothing is free. "You don't get something for nothing. You can't have freedom for free. You won't get wise while the sleep is still in your eyes, no matter what your dreams might be". -Rush
But hey, I'm sure you know better than all those economics and immigration experts who have claimed that Canada's total immigration rate(migrants plus refugees) is not economically sustainable. By the by, since we're still having a hard time finding permanent housing for all the Syrians we brought over, where the hell do you think all these extra people you're fapping yourself over coming here are going to live?? Did you think about that or are still stuck in one dimensional thinking? Yes, let's take in even more people who have no homes so they can be homeless here instead. F*cking brilliant.
You know, during World War 2 the Americans had these things called Repple Depples, actually called Replacement Depots. The way these things worked was once you finished basic, you were sent over to a repple depple to wait until a unit needed replacements. They weren't given any further training from experienced soldiers despite the basic training being woefully inadequate. They were sent out piecemeal to different units which really didn't help with morale. As one soldier put it, "The nazis couldn't have come up with a more morale killing replacement system than the repple depples".
This is exactly what is happening with Trudboy and his idiotic policies. No thought, no planning, no nothing. Just get 'em in here as fast as you can with absolutely no thought as to how your going to house them. I mean Jesus Christ, they can live in a f*cking tent city in Haiti.
You don't expect the government would ever release that kind of information, do you ?
On principle. I see it as a fundamental human right and now also a way to counter rising nationalism. Nationalism hasn't been so popular since around the 1930's
When we think about logically, all of the arguments against free movement stem from national prejudice, an us-vs-them argument based on the belief in a zero-sum game and the rejection of win-win as a possibility.
Essentially, it's just a milder version of the uy nationalism we've seen and feeds it.
Of the concern is with wages, then apply a minimum wage to foreign nationals.
Now as for communism, free movement is more libertarian than communist, no?
And if you read my posts, do you truly consider spider me a communist?
While beliefs are eclectic, the farthest left one could attribute them might be social corporatism.
Essentially, it's just a milder version of the uy nationalism we've seen and feeds it.
Of the concern is with wages, then apply a minimum wage to foreign nationals.
Now as for communism, free movement is more libertarian than communist, no?
And if you read my posts, do you truly consider spider me a communist?
While beliefs are eclectic, the farthest left one could attribute them might be social corporatism.
Canada isn't able to deal with our own home-grown issues around poverty and homelessness... You really think it's a grand idea to import even more?
I'm guessing that the majority of these folks are economic refugees seeking to build a better life.
That said, exactly where do you think that they will get the cash to pay for private health insurance?.... And, will you be the one citing humanitarian reasons when one of these folks shows up in emergency that society should foot the bill for the medical costs?
Answer; because of the relativity of the economic situations between Canada (or the USA) and Haiti.... making the smallest of wages in NorAm is still better than earning less (or no) wage in Haiti, and we still haven't compared the minimum levels of social assistance between nations.
Assuming, of course, that this population has the actual discretionary income to spend as you suggest
You are promoting a unidimensional version of a fantasy.
There are far more moving-parts to this equation that undermines your entire position
They earn less in some provinces than others too.
If a Haitian can find work in Canada, why not let the market decide. Just ensure at the border that he has insurance.
If a Haitian can find work in Canada, why not let the market decide. Just ensure at the border that he has insurance.
Huh??
A million shipping containers and a few boatloads of scrap drill-stem and the hillsides could house everybody and be safe from any other quakes that come along and do the same damage. Canada could have fired up the asbestos mines and shipped it as a compressed fiberboard that is 1/4 thick and R-20 so the AC works a short time rather than all day long. A lot of zip lines would replace streets and alleys.
Boomeranged back?? Come on, those things come back to the owner by design rather than by accident like you are trying to promote. At some time in this game the card is going to have to be player at face value. A busted flush in any suit is still a busted flush and not worth shit to anybody.
What they are refusing to admit is the reason for no reconstruction, that part if the island is sinking and there is no way to stabilize it. Run for the hills would be the smart thing to do and then build, run away and return and rebuild in the ruined places it just stupid, not rebuilding anything is even stupider.
Define work in that particular case?? If other Haitians are there then the language thing is the deciding factor. Throw my ass in there and the communication break-down would just slow everything up. Think of it as legal slavery as move along. China build our railway, these guys are washing our clothes and taking out the garbage while we kick back on benefits that put us 20% below the poverty line. If we washed our own clothes it would be called a 'busy vacation'. Can't let the surfs have any fun, word would get out and then pretty soon everybody would want to be unemployed.
... And?
People earn less in some rural BC communities than they could in Toronto, so what's your point?
What part of economic refugee don't you understand?
The part where we can call them refugees as we are part of the reason they had to leave home in the first place. we tend to try and keep that part off the airwaves which makes it even sicker.
Does that go along with the fundamental right to be homeless somewhere other than your home country? "You have a fundamental right to work in Canada no matter who you are. Now move into this tent city because there is no fundamental right to hold the govt responsible for their piss-poorly thought out policies".
Throw the ones preventing that in jail.
Since they are already here why not give them a quicky education and when their home turf stabilizes offer to help them move back where their skills qualify them for important positions in the community?