Tax exemption for Canadian families of three or more.

[White_Unifier]

He thinks if we let every 3rd worlder in the Western Hemisphere come to Canada without any kind of visa,
buy a house, look for work, and settle in, that only the rich ones or the smart ones will come.

Pretty sure he also thinks we can deny any of these free access to the social and medical net.

And everything will be fine.

Freedom-of-movement, just means visa-free. It does not translate to social assistance.

Also, without social assistance, Canada might not be very attractive to the poor from abroad unless they happen to possess a skill that they can sell on the Canadian market.

And of course I would support banning non-Canadians from certain kinds of work. For example, i would even support requiring those that enter Canada without a visa to sign a teetotaler contract banning them from fornication or consuming alcohol other than as prescribed by a physician while presuming them innocent until proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

That way, a person cannot easily work in the sex trade since even if we can't prove an exchange of money we could easily prove fornication and fine them for that.

Likewise, a person accused of drinking and driving could not easily hide behind the law. Even if we cannot prove that he was driving under the influence, we'd still be able to fine him for simply having consumed alcohol other than as prescribed.

Obviously we don't want to tolerate any kind of work in Canada.

We could also prohibit foreign nationals from owning any direct share in an Addictive-Products-and-Services Business (APSB) whether that is a casino, a cigarette manufacturer, a brewery, or anything else of the sort.

 

[JLM]

It takes 7 people on government assistance renting in a house to pay the mortgage. The population is dropping by at least a few million in the next 10 years. All the people dieing are the ones who have houses.

I see a lot of abandoned houses on the horizon.the writing is all over on the wall.



I don't know enough about freedom-of-movement to understand what you mean.

The population of what is dropping? Rich people have rich descendants and if there is ever a shortage, Trudeau is welcoming more than enough to take up the slack!

 

[White_Unifier]

The population of what is dropping? Rich people have rich descendants and if there is ever a shortage, Trudeau is welcoming more than enough to take up the slack!

Yes, but the homeowners must then pay more taxes to support the refugees.

As soon as a person declares refugee status or as soon as a person is sponsored by a spouse, etc. he should legally automatically be granted the freedom to work visa-free without any bureaucratic fuss.

If he's found not a legitimate refugee, we can still send him back home. But if he is found to be a legitimate refugee, then he might find work sooner so as to save us on taxes.

same with a sponsored spouse. Let's allow that person to work ASAP. The sooner that person works, the sooner he pays taxes.

 

[JLM]

If there are 100000 sellers and 20000 buyers
It doesn't matter how cheap you sell your house.
80000 houses will not sell.

You might consider lowering your prices to help yourself be one of the 20000 house that do.

And where abouts in the world are you going to find those kinds of numbers?

Yes, but the homeowners must then pay more taxes to support the refugees.

As soon as a person declares refugee status or as soon as a person is sponsored by a spouse, etc. he should legally automatically be granted the freedom to work visa-free without any bureaucratic fuss.

If he's found not a legitimate refugee, we can still send him back home. But if he is found to be a legitimate refugee, then he might find work sooner so as to save us on taxes.

same with a sponsored spouse. Let's allow that person to work ASAP. The sooner that person works, the sooner he pays taxes.

Makes sense to me at first look!

 

[White_Unifier]

And where abouts in the world are you going to find those kinds of numbers?




Makes sense to me at first look!

Yes, but then immigration officials become less busy and might lose their jobs as a result. The horror!

 

[Angstrom]

And where abouts in the world are you going to find those kinds of numbers

Its a common sense example. It shows that even if you lower your house prices to zero. Too much supply for demand will result in the difference in numbers not being sold at all.

There are already many abandoned homes in the outskirts of Canadian urban cities. I predict a flood of abandoned houses in the next 10 years.

 

[gerryh]

Yup, the sky is falling. Life is not worth living.



I'm curious, stupid. Let's say we cut your taxes, and others like you, by 1/3, who is going to make up the difference? Or what services get cut?

 

[Angstrom]

If younger generations had better success, less consumer debt from the instability of losing employment, the problem would not be as severe as we are going to experience.

But screw the kids anyways. They can all go fuk themselves those kids. Unfortunately you're fuking the one who's one day going to help you unlock your homes equity. The less successful young generation are the harder it will be to unlock home equity values, for older generations looking to cash in to pay for old age retirement .

Im not going to cry one tear when there is a flood of old people who can't unlock equity and are totally fuked

 

[taxslave]

Canadian families with as many as three children be exempt of paying their share of immigration cost.

Population growth is essential, but when a citizen of Canada has contributed to its growth, He shouldn't pay. They need the extra money to help their kids anyways.

With fewer and fewer families in Canada it's clear the financial burden is too overwhelming.

Some financial relief is clearly needed and is long overdue.

The only reason we need population growth is because our pension system is a giant pyramid scheme. Otherwise less population would be beneficial.

We need a total rethink.

I mentioned municipal zoning regulations above. I'm not saying we shouldn't help the poor. I'm saying we need to allow the poor to help themselves too through reasonable deregulation. Some poor people might not mind living in a smaller home with no parking for example.

Same with helping other countries. I'm not saying don't help Haitian refugees. I'm just saying let's help them help themselves. Allow them visa-free access to the Canadian labor market. It's win-win. They work and pay taxes in Canada to help Canadians while escaping Haiti.

It's fine to give them money, but let them work too.

Simplifying the tax system would make sense and lead to job losses for otherwise unemployable government employees so it will never happen. The goal of a bureaucrat is to meddle in as meany areas of taxpayer's lives as possible to justify their existance.

Something's going to need to be done because when boomers want to finally unlock their homes equity, selling their house. I doubt there will be anywhere close to enough people in a financial position to buy that many properties.

Then prices will crash to where they should be. Limiting foreign investment in single family houses would have a significant impact in places like Vancouver.

With freedom of movement, a Canadian who can't find a good opportunity in Canada could more easily find opportunities abroad with less bureaucratic hassle. At the same time, foreign nationals who see opportunities in Canada can do the same.

Consequently, poorer Canadians might go to find work abroad while wealthy foreigners will come to Canada. Exceptions aside, the poor tend to be less educated and the rich more so. Consequently, with more poor Canadians seeking opportunities abroad, those who remain face less competition for the available low-skilled jobs. Meanwhile, as competition for more skilled jobs increases, the cost of their products and services declines. As a result, with poorer Canadians leaving Canada and wealthy foreigners coming to Canada, the wages of the poor increase, those of the rich decline, and the services that the poor offer go up in price while those that the rich offer drop in price. As a result, we see a reduction in the wealth gap.

Also, as more wealthy people move to Canada, housing prices abroad drop while those in Canada increase at least for more high-end homes.

The market has a way to help the poor.

I'm not saying the government plays no role. I'm not saying we should not tax the rich and help the poor financially necessarily. I'm just saying that tax and spend cannot be the only way to help the poor. We can't afford it.



Freedom-of-movement agreements would solve that. Drop the price low enough, and suddenly as long as employment is available, more people will want to come to Canada.

All freedom of movement AKA TFWs does is lower wages in Canada.

 

[Angstrom]

The only reason we need population growth is because our pension system is a giant pyramid scheme. Otherwise less population would be beneficial.

OHIP is also based on growth of population.
Employment insurance also i believe.

 

[taxslave]

Yup, the sky is falling. Life is not worth living.



I'm curious, stupid. Let's say we cut your taxes, and others like you, by 1/3, who is going to make up the difference? Or what services get cut?

I can think of lots of programs that can be cut to save money without causing anyone except the bureaucrats in charge any hardship. Just for starters we can eliminate multiple levels of government having the same or overlapping programs.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I believe that Quebec has a program similar to that. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work as Quebec still a birthrate that is less than the replacement rate, which of course is why a high level of immigration is necessary in Canada.

 

[White_Unifier]

I believe that Quebec has a program similar to that. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work as Quebec still a birthrate that is less than the replacement rate, which of course is why a high level of immigration is necessary in Canada.

Yes, we need more immigration, but we need more births too. Québec is highly taxed.

 

[Angstrom]

I believe that Quebec has a program similar to that. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work as Quebec still a birthrate that is less than the replacement rate, which of course is why a high level of immigration is necessary in Canada.

I feel that as long as we can't birth at a rate of at least some growth, I can't consider we are doing well as a nation.

Especially considering, so many of our social programs depend on good rates of population growth.

Big strong healthy families are synonymous of success for all life since millions of years.

 

[justlooking]

The only reason we need population growth is because our pension system is a giant pyramid scheme. Otherwise less population would be beneficial.

Then prices will crash to where they should be. Limiting foreign investment in single family houses would have a significant impact in places like Vancouver.

All freedom of movement AKA TFWs does is lower wages in Canada.

It's funny, every once in a while I hear the CPP has lots of money and there is no problem.
A week, later someone else pops up and says oh we need lots more immigration to pay into the CPP so we can all get our pensions.
Somehow the topic of how all those immigrants are going to take CPP never comes up. :lol:
Next, someone else comes out and says oh we have to raise the retirement age, and increase premiums.
They can't all be right, someone is blowing a lot of smoke up our collective butts.

You are right that freedom of movement and TFWs lower wages for Canadians.
So does regular immigration. Way too much of it.

I believe that Quebec has a program similar to that. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work as Quebec still a birthrate that is less than the replacement rate, which of course is why a high level of immigration is necessary in Canada.

Yes, we need more immigration, but we need more births too. Québec is highly taxed.

I seriously doubt you two, and my question is not directed at you two, but has anyone
actually sat down and considered WHY the 'more immigration' meme is never questioned in Canada.
Do we really need this constant propaganda shoved down our throats ?

 

[Bar Sinister]

I feel that as long as we can't birth at a rate of at least some growth, I can't consider we are doing well as a nation.

Nations with high living standards generally have low birth rates and visa-versa, so I guess it depends on what you want.

 

[Angstrom]

Nations with high living standards generally have low birth rates and visa-versa, so I guess it depends on what you want.

Brilliant. Bar Sinister !!! Especially with the stagnant economy. Its forcing people to cut in expenses if they want to maintain their level of life quality


Its sad. But it seems there is absolutely nothing we can do except open our borders to immigrants. Or things will get even worse.

Unless people are willing to accept lower living standards birthing rates will continue to drop.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Unless people are willing to accept lower living standards birthing rates will continue to drop.

You're finally beginning to understand.

 

[JLM]

You're finally beginning to understand.

Yep, folks are just getting to be far too materialistic.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I seriously doubt you two, and my question is not directed at you two, but has anyone
actually sat down and considered WHY the 'more immigration' meme is never questioned in Canada.
Do we really need this constant propaganda shoved down our throats ?

Actually immigration into Canada has been question for over a 100 years. In the 19th Century many were opposed to Irish immigration. Then they opposed German immigration, along with that from Scandinavia. Then there was opposition to immigration from Eastern Europe like Ukraine, Poland, and Russia. That was followed by opposition to Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, and Greeks. And, of course, the Chinese and Japanese were singled out for special attention. In short there have always been some who think that Canadian immigration should be restricted to England and the White part of the USA. Somehow all of these unCanadian Immigrants who were going to destroy out culture have turned into solid Canadian citizens including a few who have become Canadian icons.

There are many reasons why this immigration has been kept up over the decades, but the main one is that despite all the negative propaganda, those who actually understand the realities of immigration realize that it is good for Canada, economically, socially, and culturally.