More Than Half of Canadians Say Religion is Harmful

[MHz]

you have to die to have eternal life

that sounds harmful

Death is as long as the blink of an eye for those that enter there, millions of years in our time can pass during that blink. Job will have the same experience about the grave as the last person to die before the resurrection begins.
On the day the 7th trump sounds 2/3 of the planet goes to the grave. They are the last people that ever die. The birds and beasts that are invited to feast on men then die as they would not survive the fire that comes to the earth 1,000 years later.The last man to be resurrected for the Great White Throne is when death doesn't have a hold on people. The mist that will come out of New Jerusalem once it is on the New Earth will restore all other flesh that has lived on this earth back to a life where they are eternal beings and the perfected people will be their shepherds just like the people who live in that City are shepherds to the people who live outside of the City.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I think a more accurate interpretation is He instructed us to hate the sin and love the sinner. That conflicts with the modern interpretation of love the sin and make the sinner a designated 'victim' worthy of celebration by way of the sin.

Except that your "hate the sin and love the sinner" is found nowhere in the bible. Nowhere.

Absolutely nowhere. Don't believe me? Cite book, chapter and verse.

I will. Here's book, chapter and verse:

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 13:34-35.


Those are the words, not of Saul of Tarsus, but of Jesus Christ.


Believe he also had a thing or two to say about hypocrites.

 

[MHz]

BTW, you atheists better pick up the pace or you will never get the quota God has given you to deliver on said judgment day.


M't:25:31:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him,
then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
M't:25:32:
And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

 

[coldstream]

Except that your "hate the sin and love the sinner" is found nowhere in the bible. Nowhere.

Absolutely nowhere. Don't believe me? Cite book, chapter and verse.

I will. Here's book, chapter and verse:

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 13:34-35.


Those are the words, not of Saul of Tarsus, but of Jesus Christ.


Believe he also had a thing or two to say about hypocrites.

“love the sinner; hate the sin.”.

How exactly does that work? We hate sin by recognizing it for what it is, refusing to take part in it, and condemning it as contrary to God’s nature. Sin is to be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love sinners by showing them respect (1 Peter 2:17), praying for them (1 Timothy 2:1), and witnessing to them of Christ. It is a true act of love to treat someone with respect and kindness even though you do not approve of his or her lifestyle or sinful choices. But it is incumbent to instruct them to extent that they are open to it on the reality and nature of Evil, and the jeopardy it puts them in to embrace it.

It all comes down to whether you are 'loving' someone by normalizing, institutionalizing and sacralizing immoral acts. Nowhere in Bible does it say there is no such thing as immorality.. just relative perspectives of personal choices. The entire Christian construct is predicated on an absolute morality as the foundation of the universe. There is no ambiguity that sin is a product of our Free Will and personal choices and that there are consequences for those choices. You are doing no favours to anyone by affirming immoral acts are righteous because they feel good.

 

[MHz]

Except that your "hate the sin and love the sinner" is found nowhere in the bible. Nowhere.

Absolutely nowhere. Don't believe me? Cite book, chapter and verse.

I believe it goes hate the sin and hate the sinner (to a certain extent such as not eating with them. Nothing about annihilating their whole country either yet that is what Christians are best at)

1Co:5:1:
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you,
and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles,
that one should have his father's wife.

1Co:5:9-13:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Perhaps the deluded ones have a complex that puts them on par with Jesus and His eating with sinners. Delusions of grandeur of the highest magnitude yet how many 'Christians' suffer from it.

 

[Murphy]

Like your bullshit assessment of my mental state. You can't backup your statements because you haven't a clue who I am or what I know. You just mirror your own psychosis, passing it off on someone else cuz you ain't got the balls to own it.

Is that your professional opinion, doctor? :lol:

I have never assessed your mental state. I have suggested that you visit your doctor so he can check your medications. You do understand the difference, right? I still think that is a good idea. And I still think that there is something wrong with you. Based on your wild posts and odd pictures, that is why I suggested that you go see your doctor. I have wondered, at times, if you are a rational human being, capable of functioning on your own.

Here's an analogy for you.

When a man has a deep cut in his torso, is bleeding, and his internal organs are coming out, you do not need to be a doctor to realize that he needs medical attention.

Like that injured man, and based on your posts here, I do not need to be a doctor to suggest that you visit one for a checkup.
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If I was speaking to a doctor about you, I would say that you are angry a lot, you post nonsensical pictures and responses in threads from time to time, like to argue for no known reason, and blame others for things that you perceive to be their fault. An example would be what you posted about me.

Then I would say to the doctor, it would be best if a professional examined Cliffy. Better safe than sorry.

 

[MHz]

The Bible does cover the size of the immoral crowd. Apparently salvation can come about by saving just a few as witnesses to the salvation of the largest toughest group of 'sinners'/

Shepherds first and then the Flock. There is no 3rd group.

Isa:54:1:
Sing,
O barren,
thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing,
and cry aloud,
thou that didst not travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,
saith the LORD.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

“love the sinner; hate the sin.”.

How exactly does that work? We hate sin by recognizing it for what it is, refusing to take part in it, and condemning it as contrary to God’s nature. Sin is to be hated, not excused or taken lightly. We love sinners by showing them respect (1 Peter 2:17), praying for them (1 Timothy 2:1), and witnessing to them of Christ. It is a true act of love to treat someone with respect and kindness even though you do not approve of his or her lifestyle or sinful choices.

It all comes down to whether you are 'loving' someone by normalizing, institutionalizing and sacralizing immoral acts. Nowhere in Bible does it say there is no such thing as immorality.. just relative perspectives of personal choices. The entire Christian construct is predicated on an absolute morality as the foundation of the universe. There is no ambiguity that sin is a product of our Free Will and personal choices and that there are consequences for those choices. You are doing no favours to anyone by affirming immoral acts are righteous because they feel good.

Nope, it all comes down to whether you feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, comfort the sick, and visit the imprisoned.

It's right there. Matthew 25:31-46. The penalty for failure is eternal damnation.

Not that I care, mind. I don't believe in your ridiculous fantasy to begin with. But I'm amused by the fact that you puff yourself up with self-righteousness, when the plain words of your own god say that you are eternally damned.

 

[coldstream]

Nope, it all comes down to whether you feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, comfort the sick, and visit the imprisoned.

It's right there. Matthew 25:31-46. The penalty for failure is eternal damnation.

Not that I care, mind. I don't believe in your ridiculous fantasy to begin with. But I'm amused by the fact that you puff yourself up with self-righteousness, when the plain words of your own god say that you are eternally damned.

Well i can't proclaim to be a Saint, bones. But at least i don't resort to cheap semantic tricks and sophsitry the evade and obfuscate the topic of the thread. I realize that you really don't have an opinion on almost all the topics you post to in this forum.. just predilection for projecting your contrarianism and misanthropy on the rest of us in purely gratuitous modes.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well i can't proclaim to be a Saint, bones.

It's not about being a saint. It's about feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, comforting the sick, and visiting the imprisoned.

It's funny that no matter how often I say this, you just don't get it. It's right there in the book you love to quote. It's the word straight from the mouth of what you hold to be the son of god. But you'll dodge, bullshit, evade, quote people who aren't the son of god as if they somehow have more authority than the son of god, then when none of that works, go with logical fallacies like ad hominem.

It doesn't matter what you think of me, coldstream. By your own holy writ, by your own actions, eternal damnation is your fate.

Apparently you didn't pay attention the last six times, but I'll try once more. It's Matthew 25:31-46. Right there in red and white. The Word of God.

But you won't do it. Because you neither obey, nor apparently believe in, your own god. You just use his word to support your hatred and fear.

 

[JLM]

I'm not sure how harmful religion is, but I'd bet it's nowhere near as bad as the harm caused by the Thumpers!

 

[Hoof Hearted]

How come if you pray and talk to God, you are considered Religious.

But if God talks back to you, you're considered a lunatic.

 

[MHz]

I'm not sure how harmful religion is, but I'd bet it's nowhere near as bad as the harm caused by the Thumpers!

Really?? The Christian Holy War against Muslims is entering it's 15th century.The war against 'heathens' started in 1492 and is still going on so a fair number have died. The 100M or so that died in the 2 World Wars was a Jewish program so it is a tad difficult to tell which is the worst. BTW the Bible would say those Christians and those Jews are in line for a whole lot of hurt because they associate they sins with being a mandate by God.
The sooner the better IMO.

How come if you pray and talk to God, you are considered Religious.

But if God talks back to you, you're considered a lunatic.

You should check out who is doing the judging and take it from there.
Christ's voice a calming matter of fact one that eliminates those nagging thoughts that spring up when men start jacking their jaws. BTW, 'You aren't ready for that but I will show you anyways.' isn't really a mission type of statement.

 

[coldstream]

It's not about being a saint. It's about feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, sheltering the homeless, comforting the sick, and visiting the imprisoned.

It's funny that no matter how often I say this, you just don't get it. It's right there in the book you love to quote. It's the word straight from the mouth of what you hold to be the son of god. But you'll dodge, bullshit, evade, quote people who aren't the son of god as if they somehow have more authority than the son of god, then when none of that works, go with logical fallacies like ad hominem.

It doesn't matter what you think of me, coldstream. By your own holy writ, by your own actions, eternal damnation is your fate.

Apparently you didn't pay attention the last six times, but I'll try once more. It's Matthew 25:31-46. Right there in red and white. The Word of God.

But you won't do it. Because you neither obey, nor apparently believe in, your own god. You just use his word to support your hatred and fear.

Despite your weak reductive logic, bones.. my Bible contains over 1200 pages which you have distilled into a few verses, perhaps a 1/4 of one page.

The whole text is filled history, allegory, parable, symbolism, prophesy, ethics, morality, social and familial obligation. It contains nuance, constructive contradiction, supernatural and natural law that has kept Biblical scholars busy for 2 thousand years sorting out its intracacies.

Although we are all obliged to be charitable, there are innumerable ways to serve God in terms of a vocation. Specific religious vocations include charity; ministry; ascetic contemplation; witness and counsel; apologetics, theology, preaching; mission, coversion and evangelization. There are a myriad of trades and professions within those. My Church recognizes saints in all those disciplines and more. Lay vocations include those to family (in marriage), community and faith.

I'm not too worried about my eternal condemnation by an avowed atheist by way of a Book for which he has no regard and almost no understanding. But thanks for your concern. :roll:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Despite your weak reductive logic, bones.. my Bible contains over 1200 pages which you have distilled into a few verses, perhaps a 1/4 of one page.

The whole text is filled history, allegory, symbolism, prophesy, ethics, morality, social and familial obligation. It contains nuance, constructive contradiction, supernatural and natural law that has kept Biblical scholars busy for 2 thousand years sorting out its intracacies.

Although we are all obliged to be charitable, there are innumerable ways to serve God in terms of a vocation. Specific religious vocations include charity; ministry; ascetic contemplation; witness and counsel; apologetics, theology, preaching; mission, coversion and evangelization. There are a myriad of trades and professions within those. My Church recognizes saints in all those disciplines and more. Lay vocations include those to family (in marriage), community and faith.

I'm not too worried about my eternal condemnation by an avowed atheist by way of a Book for which he has no regard and almost no understanding. But thanks for your concern. :roll:

Matthew 25:31-46

 

[TenPenny]

I'm not too worried about my eternal condemnation by an avowed atheist by way of a Book for which he has no regard and almost no understanding. But thanks for your concern. :roll:

Probably because, deep down, you know that it's all a crock of BS.

 

[JLM]

Religion is just religion, it's the thumpers who are harmful!

 

[Walter]

Religion is just religion, it's the thumpers who are harmful!

Especially the atheist thumpers.

 

[JLM]

Especially the atheist thumpers.

Well, I specifically did have the Bible thumpers in mind. I don't see what service they provide.

 

[Walter]

Well, I specifically did have the Bible thumpers in mind. I don't see what service they provide.

Ask them next time you attend a "Bible-thumper" church.