Donald Trump just cemented his legacy as America’s worst-ever president

[Cliffy]

I can't bring myself to hear Trump talk anymore. His next-level idiocy and dishonesty are exhausting. - Andy Borowitz

 

[Bar Sinister]

I would challenge you (and whomever wrote the article) tat green energy is cheaper - not if our governments have anything to say a about it! Take Ontario, or example - please, take it LOL


When governments make hugely expensive decisions, guess who pays? Another example is natural gas - it's relatively cheap but by the time a person gets their bill, the actual consumption may be, as an example $20 but the bill is $80+ because of all the add-ons and taxes. Green energy may, EVENTUALLY, be cheaper to produce but trust me, we'll pay through the nose for it because us peons need to line someone else's pocket!


Just sayin'

Ontario is a poor example. The world leaders in green tech are European nations like Denmark, which sells its wind generators worldwide. And as I mentioned most of the large green energy projects in the US are now being driven by private companies, not government. In Alberta electricity costs have actually gone down even as coal-fired power plants are being phased out. Right now the most expensive decision governments could make would not be to get on board with green tech. There is a huge opportunity for jobs, research, and manufacturing in bringing in the new technology. Those who ignore the trends will be left playing catch-up.

 

[pgs]

I can't bring myself to hear Trump talk anymore. His next-level idiocy and dishonesty are exhausting. - Andy Borowitz

I see you still hold other peoples opinions in higher regard then your own .

Ontario is a poor example. The world leaders in green tech are European nations like Denmark, which sells its wind generators worldwide. And as I mentioned most of the large green energy projects in the US are now being driven by private companies, not government. In Alberta electricity costs have actually gone down even as coal-fired power plants are being phased out. Right now the most expensive decision governments could make would not be to get on board with green tech. There is a huge opportunity for jobs, research, and manufacturing in bringing in the new technology. Those who ignore the trends will be left playing catch-up.

Make sure you get in on the ground floor , I hear stock in Solandra is going cheap .

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Ontario is a poor example. The world leaders in green tech are European nations like Denmark, which sells its wind generators worldwide. And as I mentioned most of the large green energy projects in the US are now being driven by private companies, not government. In Alberta electricity costs have actually gone down even as coal-fired power plants are being phased out. Right now the most expensive decision governments could make would not be to get on board with green tech. There is a huge opportunity for jobs, research, and manufacturing in bringing in the new technology. Those who ignore the trends will be left playing catch-up.

I am all for private speculation and private green energy initiatives. Once it becomes cheaper than the 'carbon' alternatives, it will take off. Until then, I don't really like the idea of corporate welfare or subsidies specifically because the technology is 'green'.

Also, a lot of the so called green technologies are really not so green when you look at their entire footprint. Electric cars for example are not vary green when you take into account the manufacture and disposal of that big battery.

 

[Angstrom]

:lol:

I can't stop laughing.

This is the dumbest thing any leader has done in global history. :lol:

Americas - US cities, states to honour Paris climate accord despite Trump's withdrawal - France 24.

Look at if from a different point of view. Would cities have given so much efforts if Trump had not pulled out. Looks like a win win.

And even more win now that China has taken a initiative to step up its game. Nature works in mysterious ways

Love or hate Trump. He has changed the dynamics of the world in a positive way. Sometimes yin needs a yang to achieve perfect dynamics

 

[mentalfloss]

They haven't changed so it's actually a lose lose for Trump.

 

[Angstrom]

Trump's just a little bit of fatherly love . Its called tough love

They haven't changed so it's actually a lose lose for Trump.

I saw a video on face book this morning saying China is stepping up their game in the wake of Trump leaving

Must be more fake news from the left.

Justine Trudeau is going to step up his game in military spending. Wtf??? Wow Trump is really having more influence on the world then any other president ever.

 

[mentalfloss]

There's no toughness.

They're all still doing the same shit they were before and Trump can't actually exit until after the next election.

 

[Angstrom]

Good old tough love

 

[mentalfloss]

There's no toughness

He's simply an idiot lol

 

[captain morgan]

Actually the belief that green energy is more expensive than fossil fuels is just that, a belief.

Solyndra

Ontario is a poor example. The world leaders in green tech are European nations like Denmark, which sells its wind generators worldwide.

Always a profitable business plan to sell manufactured products to the gullible, and to revisit Ontario, well, it seems it's a pretty big leap of faith that they are not representative of all the end-users in general

 

[Angstrom]

There's no toughness

He's simply an idiot lol

You're a idiot too. But who would we laugh at if you wouldn't be? The dynamics on this forum would be fuked without you

Nature works in mysterious ways

 

[pgs]

Actually the belief that green energy is more expensive than fossil fuels is just that, a belief. Electricity can now be produced more cheaply with green energy than with fossil fuels and is getting cheaper as the tech continues to improve.

Solar and wind power cheaper than fossil fuels for the first time | The Independent

And green energy has nothing to do with the UN or globalists (whoever they are). Right now the biggest pushers of green energy in the US are all private companies run by people like Elon Musk (look him up).

You are right about the money aspect, but that is connected not to green energy, but to oil and cola companies which are trying to protect their turf. That is now getting harder and harder to do a the cost of green tech continues to decline.

As for aircraft, no one has claimed that commercial aircraft would be outfitted with electric motors, but I would not bet against it. Ten years ago electrically powered drones did not exist. But the engine technology has improved so dramatically that now they are everywhere.

Currently fossil fuel has one big advantage, and that is that that it is the existing tech due to the fact that it has been built up over the last 150 years. It is a phenomenon known as technological inertia. Existing tech always hangs around until the new tech shows that it is clearly superior. A few examples that illustrate this are the gradual change from steam locomotives to diesel locomotives. The change took decades. Another was the replacement of gas and oil lighting with electrical lighting. And one of the best was the introduction of the internal combustion engine. All of these new technologies took decades to replace the existing tech. Green energy with be the same. Even with full support form government green energy systems can only be introduced at a certain speed. I will say that I am quite amazed by how fast green energy is progressing, however. I thought it would take much longer before it passed fossil fuels in efficiency, but it is already there.

Well yesterday on the way to work I was stopped for a 150 car coal train rumbling down the CP Rail tracks to Roberts Bank Coal Terminal . Funny on the way home a 150 empty coal train hung a right out of the coal port and rumbled down the Burlington Northern tracks into the good ole U.S.of A. . Coal is so popular that we are even shipping American coal out of our ports .
I am sure that fits your green clean agenda eh BS .
BTW I still see more 4x4 diesel pick ups then electric vehicles on B.C. roads .

 

[captain morgan]

Well yesterday on the way to work I was stopped for a 150 car coal train rumbling down the CP Rail tracks to Roberts Bank Coal Terminal . Funny on the way home a 150 empty coal train hung a right out of the coal port and rumbled down the Burlington Northern tracks into the good ole U.S.of A. . Coal is so popular that we are even shipping American coal out of our ports .
I am sure that fits your green clean agenda eh BS .
BTW I still see more 4x4 diesel pick ups then electric vehicles on B.C. roads .

Yabut, Denmark built a wind turbine and sold it... Therefore, no coal is being mined anymore

 

[Bar Sinister]

I am all for private speculation and private green energy initiatives. Once it becomes cheaper than the 'carbon' alternatives, it will take off. Until then, I don't really like the idea of corporate welfare or subsidies specifically because the technology is 'green'.

Also, a lot of the so called green technologies are really not so green when you look at their entire footprint. Electric cars for example are not vary green when you take into account the manufacture and disposal of that big battery.

Actually the history of energy over the last 150 years is that it is the coal and oil companies (especially the latter) that have received large subsidies. As for electric car batteries, it is almost certain that they can be recycled. In fact the recycling of electric car batteries is already common in Japan.

Solyndra

EXXON, Shell....

Always a profitable business plan to sell manufactured products to the gullible

And that certainly explains your support of big oil.

Well yesterday on the way to work I was stopped for a 150 car coal train rumbling down the CP Rail tracks to Roberts Bank Coal Terminal . Funny on the way home a 150 empty coal train hung a right out of the coal port and rumbled down the Burlington Northern tracks into the good ole U.S.of A. . Coal is so popular that we are even shipping American coal out of our ports .
I am sure that fits your green clean agenda eh BS .
BTW I still see more 4x4 diesel pick ups then electric vehicles on B.C. roads .

Poorly thought out answer. Do you have any idea where the coal was going or what its purpose was? Most of the coal exported from BC is coking coal. As such it is used in industrial processes and not for electricity.

And when did I ever post that the switch to electrical cars would be instantaneous? Read my posts on the subject. I've always made it clear that the change would be gradual. But don't be surprised if in a couple of decades or so those diesels you are in love with are electric. After all, electric motors are a good deal more powerful than internal combustion engines, which is why modern freight trains are diesel-electric.

 

[pgs]

Actually the history of energy over the last 150 years is that it is the coal and oil companies (especially the latter) that have received large subsidies. As for electric car batteries, it is almost certain that they can be recycled. In fact the recycling of electric car batteries is already common in Japan.



EXXON, Shell....



And that certainly explains your support of big oil.



Poorly thought out answer. Do you have any idea where the coal was going or what its purpose was? Most of the coal exported from BC is coking coal. As such it is used in industrial processes and not for electricity.

And when did I ever post that the switch to electrical cars would be instantaneous? Read my posts on the subject. I've always made it clear that the change would be gradual. But don't be surprised if in a couple of decades or so those diesels you are in love with are electric. After all, electric motors are a good deal more powerful than internal combustion engines, which is why modern freight trains are diesel-electric.

No your posts are always stating that clean green energy is presently changing the world . You want us all to be shining examples to the rest of the world . Of course as technology improves costs come down making the decision to drive electric an economic one . Once it is economically feasible people will jump on board . Still with everyone driving electric vehicles we will need more electricity to power these vehicles .But our clean green representatives don't want any increase in electrical supply unless it is wind or solar neither of which can continuously produce enough electricity to supply this demand .

P.s. coking coal is burnt the same as coal power plants .

 

[Bar Sinister]

No your posts are always stating that clean green energy is presently changing the world . You want us all to be shining examples to the rest of the world . Of course as technology improves costs come down making the decision to drive electric an economic one . Once it is economically feasible people will jump on board . Still with everyone driving electric vehicles we will need more electricity to power these vehicles .But our clean green representatives don't want any increase in electrical supply unless it is wind or solar neither of which can continuously produce enough electricity to supply this demand

You don't seem to understand. People are already jumping on board precisely because green tech has now reached a point where it is more than competitive with fossil fuels. And I could care less about shining examples. Green tech is taking over because it is superior technology to fossil fuels. As for future power needs the fact that wind turbines and solar panels can be placed pretty much anywhere means there will be no shortage of energy.

P.s. coking coal is burnt the same as coal power plants .

I didn't say that the coal was not going to be burned, just that it is not being exported to fuel power plants.

 

[taxslave]

You don't seem to understand. People are already jumping on board precisely because green tech has now reached a point where it is more than competitive with fossil fuels. And I could care less about shining examples. Green tech is taking over because it is superior technology to fossil fuels. As for future power needs the fact that wind turbines and solar panels can be placed pretty much anywhere means there will be no shortage of energy.



I didn't say that the coal was not going to be burned, just that it is not being exported to fuel power plants.

Canada exports thermal coal from the west coast.

 

[Cliffy]

 

[Bar Sinister]

Canada exports thermal coal from the west coast.

Coking coal remains the most important. Coal in Canada: A by-the-numbers look at the industry - Business - CBC News