Jane Creba

GreenGreta

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My saddest condolences to the Creba family after the horrific loss of their daughter. The loss of a child is the worst, but to lose them at Christmas time for no reason, has to be the most painful.

Hopefully something can finally be done about this insane gang violence in Toronto. It really has to stop.
 

Suzique39

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That was a sad event, and that it is happening here in Canada makes it even sadder. We aren't that sort of people, yet it has happened. Now what do we do to make our country safer from that sort of criminal?
 

TenPenny

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I think you're missing the root of the problem. Humans cannot live in such high numbers in small spaces. Toronto has long passed the sustainable population.

The solution is to take about 1/2 the population of Southern Ontario and spread them across the country. Not that anyone would want them.

The social,electrical, transportation, civil, and political infrastructure of the whole southern Ontario region is pretty much beyond repair.
 

JomZ

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I send my condolences to those who are suffering from this loss.


I am still pretty stunned by all this. Its hard to fathom when my old university was a block away, that I walked by there almost on a daily basis. That this tragedy happened right there.

People ask themselves why did this happen and the answer is quite simple and unfortunate; stupid and ignorant people do stupid and ignorant things. Like solve problems with guns.

There maybe other issues such as the cycle of violence, and nature vs. nurture arguments, yet we must consider the utter ignorance to these people and their actions.

The sad fact is that it took the death of this young woman to make all of us come together to finally realise this problem isn't relegated to the impoverished areas of the city, but its now becoming a daily occurence in an even more public setting.

One thing to note:
The two men arrested at the subway station were charged in connection to the shooting.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/12/30/newshooting-Toronto051230.html
 

unclepercy

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Re: RE: Jane Creba

Suzique39 said:
That was a sad event, and that it is happening here in Canada makes it even sadder. We aren't that sort of people, yet it has happened. Now what do we do to make our country safer from that sort of criminal?

Can you please explain to me how the loss of a child is sadder in Canada than it would be anywhere else?

Uncle
 

the caracal kid

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uncle,

"frame of reference", it is always more emotional when it is closer to you (you relate to it in more ways) because the closer it is to you, the more you can imagine it happening to yourself.
 

Cosmo

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Re: RE: Jane Creba

unclepercy said:
Can you please explain to me how the loss of a child is sadder in Canada than it would be anywhere else?
I think I understand what she meant ... here in Canada we are less exposed to violence than other parts of the world. We just don't experience it as much. Maybe it's because we have a smaller population? I dunno. We are exposed, predominantly through the media, to all the horrible things going on in the rest of the world. Famine, disease, disaster ... and Canada experiences relatively little of that. When was the last time we had to face anything like the New Orleans flood or the everyday killings that happen in say, Detroit? We don't.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Suzique39, but I don't think she was saying the loss of the child is sadder in Canada, per se, but that we tend not to expect that kind of violence here. Us Canadians are more worried about being attacked by a grizzly than being shot in an act of random violence!

I don't think any disrespect was intended, Uncle. :)
 

iamcanadian

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Crimes of most kind can be solved and prevented by offering rewards to people that come forward with evidence of crime. By taking money otherwise wasted in Gun registry and confiscation or other boondogle plans, simply use a fraction of that money to give rewards to regular citizens that have information. The cops can then go and investigate leads based on evidence which will obtained directly with the money.

People will be less inclined to commit crimes when they know that any one around them might snitch and cash in on the reward money.

The Police (or anything else) cannot prevent crime they can only deal with crime after it is committed. This is where the money should go.
 

FiveParadox

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My sincere condolences go out to all those affected by this terrible tragedy.

In relation to some of the comments made above, I would agree that under a frame of reference this tragedy seems evermore terrible for having been committed in Canada. I hold my own nation to a far higher standard than I do others. One must lead by example, eh?

As for strategies for combatting crime, the declaration of a handgun ban is a psychological deterrent to those who are on the brink of committing a crime (so long as this declaratory policy doesn't cost too much), but perhaps it's time for the Hon. Irwin Cotler (assuming he's elected) should begin drafting "tougher" legislation on gun crime sentences; that is, perhaps stronger minimum sentencing policy is required.
 

petros

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Now that is how you get a grasp on gun violence. Ethnic shit be damned, enough is enough. A-Bros to HA to Yoyo its doesnt matter. Violence isnt a race, it's a lifestyle and up yours if you are idiotic enough to believe it is racial.
 

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Jane Creba killer granted full parole 7 months before Montreal shooting
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Paola Loriggio
Published Jul 18, 2025 • Last updated 1 day ago • 2 minute read

The man convicted in the 2005 Toronto Boxing Day murder of a 15-year-old was granted full parole in January after being assessed as having a 76 per cent chance of recidivism.


Seven months after getting parole, 43-year-old Jeremiah Valentine faces one count of first-degree murder in the killing of Abdeck Kenedith Ibrahim. Ibrahim, 33, was gunned down in a downtown Montreal square around 12:45 a.m. Tuesday.


In 2009, Valentine pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was given a life sentence with no chance of parole for 12 years in the 2005 shootout in downtown Toronto between rival gangs that killed 15-year-old Jane Creba.

The shooting took place near the Eaton Centre mall, traditionally one of Toronto’s most popular shopping destinations for Boxing Day sales, during what became known as the city’s “year of the gun.”

In its decision granting parole, the Parole Board of Canada said an August 2021 psychological assessment of Valentine indicated he had the highest level of risk — a 76 per cent chance of violent recidivism over a period of five years after release.


However, the parole board said he made “observable and measurable” change in prison and was “making the necessary lifestyle changes to live a pro-social existence.”

“The board is of the opinion that, on full parole, you will not, by reoffending, present an undue risk to society before the expiration according to law of your sentence, and your release will contribute to the protection of society by facilitating your reintegration into society as a law-abiding citizen,” the two-member panel wrote.

Valentine displayed “problematic behaviours” in the first few years of his sentence and was involved in violent incidents in 2010 and 2011, including one in which the victim suffered a 12-centimetre cut that required emergency surgery, the board wrote.


However, his behaviour gradually improved, leading to his transfer to a medium-security institution and eventually to a minimum-security range in 2022, it said. His last disciplinary report was in 2018 and related to the possession of items not listed as part of his personal effects, the board said.

Valentine was granted his first escorted temporary absence from the institution in June 2022 and went on to take part in more than 100 outings to participate in outreach initiatives, the board said.

He was first granted day parole in November 2023, and his release was extended twice before his full parole was approved on Jan. 5.

The board said Valentine had been “for the most part meeting expectations” while on day parole, which it considered as mitigating to his risk of reoffending.

The panel imposed a handful of conditions in granting Valentine full parole, including that he not associate with anyone he believed to be involved in criminal activity and that he not set foot in any drinking establishment.

— With files from Sidhartha Banerjee in Montreal.