Germany now running on 85% renewable energy

spilledthebeer

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Big whoop. BC has always be 100% renewable energy.

The REALLY FUNNY FACTS lost in this grand announcement about German energy is that IT WAS ONLY ONE DAY at 85 percent and much of that power was supplied by WATER FALLING in hydro dams and by BIO-MASS-which means Germans burning their own garbage in incinerators!

On a good sunny windy day we can come to the same sort of carbon output! LIE-berals are so desperate to salvage something....anything...of their many failed policies they will say anything and dare us to call them on it!

Our brainless Boy Justin Trudope displays the same anti western, anti democracy, anti capitalist, anti American, anti British values as his wretched father Pierre. Father Pierre told reporters that the war against Adolf Hitler was a British war of Imperialism and that Canadian Imperialists who supported the war ought to be HANGED! And Pierre volunteered to LEAD the lynch mob!

Father Pierre publicly wrote and spoke in support of both hard line communist butcher Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler. But when Hitler stabbed his pal Stalin in the back and invaded Soviet Union, Pierre reversed himself and condemned Hitler.
Father Pierre also wrote a book: Two Innocents in Red China in which he heaped praise on the bloody handed Communist murderers of 30 million Chinese!

Our brainless Boy Justin has spoken publicly of his admiration for the way the Chinese communist party gets things done. Our Boy also heaped praise on Cuban dictator Castro. Brother Sacha Trudeau wrote a sickening “love letter to Castro” that was relentlessly and deservedly mocked in National Post newspaper. Sacha also collaborated with Iranian Mullahs and their chosen film makers to produce a series of anti Israel and anti Yankee propaganda films.

But the anti western values of the Trudope clan do not end there. Our brainless Boy insists we buy oil for eastern Canada from the hard core socialist govt of Venezuela in spite of its govt being run by tyrannical madmen who have made such a mess that the Venezuelan army is STEALING the food aid that it was supposed to hand out to starving peasants-and Our idiot Boy wants to support such thieves?

Our Boy would rather deal with lunatic Venezuelan socialists than Alberta oil producers because the pro western/Yankee friendly Alberta gang hates LIE-berals!

Our brainless Boy is encouraging environmental nut bars to oppose running oil tankers up the west coast.....WHY then is he so determined to keep oil tankers from Venezuela running up the east cost-unless his hatred of Alberta is greater than his common sense? Our idiot Boy will screw Alberta for political reasons! It is for the same reason he does not want oil from Alberta to be exported to Ontari-owe-we must continue to buy from Venezuela to satisfy the skewed political values of Our idiot Boy!

Our foolish Boy is so irrational that he will refuse to let Albertans work in their oil patch and will also forego oil tax revenue from Alberta and send OUR MONEY to his socialist swine pals in starving Venezuela instead! His hostility to what his father called Cdn Imperialism is so strong he will ruin our economy rather than give in to those he hates!

Our idiot Boy remains blind to the fact that American “super pac” political groups are shoveling money into Cdn environmental protest groups for selfish Yankee reasons! If Cdn oil sands are shut down it makes Yankee oil patch more valuable. And why is it that dorks like Suzuki decry Cdn oil sands while IGNORING the California La Brea tar sands? It all looks like more hypocrisy designed to screw various Cdns that LIE-berals don’t like!

Our idiot Boy calls himself an environmentalist-and he just happens to have proven that to be a lie by canceling the public transit tax benefit that was being used by over 1.5 million Cdns. But then the stupid Boy is Not guided by environmental concerns. Rather, he is guided by a lust for power and the need to shovel out loads of gravy to the civil service Hogs who are the key to LIE-beral power! If grossly entitled Hogs turn against LIE-berals then Our idiot Boy is history-hence the endless costly vote buying by LIE-berals!

Our idiot Boy will spend billions on aid to third world dictators to “help them adjust to climate change” but Boy wont give us any concrete details on just what that costly aid is being used for. Looks to me it is simply idiot Boy buying MORE ani western pals-at OUR EXPENSE!

We know that Boy has given some money to Cambodia-and that money is likely to be used to create a HUGE dam on the Ton le Sap River-the one that supplies about 40 percent of ALL the food eaten by Cambodian peasants. Dam the river and the fish DIE-and peasants starve. TVO has several times played documentaries by the Cdn `Water Brothers` detailing the huge damage such a dam will do. What price is that for electricity in Cambodia-and is that a good use of our environmental aid-to force people to chose between starvation and electricity?

If Our idiot Boy wanted to get real value for environmental aid then why not take the billions and build a modern subway system in Toronto-one that would bring SOLID environmental results for decades to come by encouraging people to park their cars and avoid gridlock and use that efficient transit system instead of dumping our cash into third world pest holes where the money simply disappears into the pockets of thieves and dictators?

And why has nobody explained to Our idiot Boy that his plan to save our economy with borrowed money is nothing but a retread of that disgraced Bob Rae/NDP plan that Rae tried in Ontari-owe-with disastrous results-soaring unemployment, rising welfare costs and a doubling of provincial debt? Are LIE-berals and their civil service Hog supporters that blind that they either don’t know or don’t care what they are doing to the generations yet unborn who will be saddled with their debt? Just so long as they get their gravy!

Is Our idiot Boy that hostile to all western culture that he would be prepared to
bankrupt us rather than let our consumer culture survive? Apparently he is!
 

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So fossil fuels need to be subsidies but not renewables.

Eeeenteresting

SILLY LIE-beral! Our green energy is getting subsidies equal to about NINE HUNDRED PERCENT MORE than other forms of electrical generation! in addition to those solid gold prices, our mouldy green energy producers are GUARANTEED to have govt purchase any and all green energy they produce, no matter if we need it or not. It is this Lie-beral guarantee to buy any and all green energy regardless of our real consumption rates that is driving so much of the cost of electricity- LIE-berals are buying that green crap at huge prices even though they cannot use it and selling it to Yankees at huge loss just to get rid of it!

LIE-beral subsidies for green energy are so huge that LIE-berals will REFUSE TO BUY electricity produced from water powered and natural gas electrical generators TOO MAKE ROOM for the grossly costly green crap being produced at such high cost by friends of LIE-beral party! Yeah- workers at water powered and natural gas powered generating stations being PAID to stand around waiting for our mouldy green energy supply to fail yet again!

LIE-berals have made such a mess of our electricity file and that green energy is so unreliable here that they MUST keep natural gas fired plants fully fired up and ready 24/7 to take over the moment the sun goes behind a cloud or that gust of wind fades! |Yeah- huge quantities of gas going up in smoke just in case the sun goes behind a cloud!



Zero-subsidy bids in Germany a breakthrough for offshore wind and renewable energy production - Bellona.org

You cannot sell mouldy green energy here by pointing to the disgraced European model! And why dont you talk about the number of European countries that have decided that wind power is crap power and they are switching to natural gas and bio-mass in order to save jobs and their economies!
 

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NO, what's eeeeteresting is your gullibility. The gas and oil companies are the ones behind the drive for renewables. They can not only corner the energy market but they can now maximize their profits better by not supplying cheaper crude oil simply to be burned in power plants and add value to it by refining it. It also ensures a longer supply of oil. In the meantime, they also increase their profits by providing the natgas for all that wind power back-up generation. You subsidize wind and solar, you subsidize the oil and gas industry anyway.
 

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NO, what's eeeeteresting is your gullibility. The gas and oil companies are the ones behind the drive for renewables. They can not only corner the energy market but they can now maximize their profits better by not supplying cheaper crude oil simply to be burned in power plants and add value to it by refining it. It also ensures a longer supply of oil. In the meantime, they also increase their profits be providing the natgas for all that wind power back-up generation. You subsidize wind and solar, you subsidize the oil and gas industry anyway.
The fact that the oil companies are the ones most heavily invested in renewables kinda damages the argument of the corporate-suckers that renewables are useless.
 

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You cannot sell mouldy green energy here by pointing to the disgraced European model! And why dont you talk about the number of European countries that have decided that wind power is crap power and they are switching to natural gas and bio-mass in order to save jobs and their economies!

Europe and China are speeding ahead of the US.

Oh well.

The fact that the oil companies are the ones most heavily invested in renewables kinda damages the argument of the corporate-suckers that renewables are useless.

Enbridge and Exxon have seen the end of oil for years now.
 

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The fact that the oil companies are the ones most heavily invested in renewables kinda damages the argument of the corporate-suckers that renewables are useless.
Not at all, if you think about it.

Europe and China are speeding ahead of the US.

Oh well.



Enbridge and Exxon have seen the end of oil for years now.
Yeah, because they're going to tell you their actual reasons for getting into the renewables market. :lol:
 

mentalfloss

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Because it's the evolution of the energy economy?

Why the fukk else would they?
 

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From what I understand, Germany is increasing it's use of coal because their green efforts aren't exactly reliable. So no, Germany in the long term won't be able to sustain their power and/or heat grid for an extended period of time which is why their increasing their use of coal.

From what I understand, Germany is increasing it's use of coal because their green efforts aren't exactly reliable. So no, Germany in the long term won't be able to sustain their power and/or heat grid for an extended period of time which is why their increasing their use of coal.



sorry - it should read "they're" increasing the use of coal - wrong word - sorry!
 

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Check the timeline for the big push to get away from nuclear? It was 3 days, 12 hours and 24 minutes after Japan went boom 4 times. The first move was to substitute coal plants for the shut down nuclear plants. All the best residents of the World Banksters are withing distance the way the wind blows from Germany.
 

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NO, what's eeeeteresting is your gullibility. The gas and oil companies are the ones behind the drive for renewables. They can not only corner the energy market but they can now maximize their profits better by not supplying cheaper crude oil simply to be burned in power plants and add value to it by refining it. It also ensures a longer supply of oil. In the meantime, they also increase their profits by providing the natgas for all that wind power back-up generation. You subsidize wind and solar, you subsidize the oil and gas industry anyway.

I do hope you are enjoying your visit to our little planet. But I must ask you to study us more carefully before you offer up solutions to our troubles! That you believe it is oil companies driving demand for green garbage is a clear indication of your confusion!

Here is an older article illustrating how utterly muddled is LIE-beral environmental strategy-with some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau must reject fraudulent carbon credits

First posted: Saturday, December 10, 2016 09:16 AM EST | Updated: Saturday, December 10, 2016 09:20 AM EST

PM hails national climate change deal, but without Saskatchewan, Manitoba

Federal carbon tax plan shows disrespect, will hurt economy: Sask. Premier

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals are masters of distraction and they were at it again in Ottawa Friday. While Climate Change Minister Catherine McKenna talked about the inevitably of a historic climate change pact coming out of a meeting between Trudeau and Canada's premiers, the real story was elsewhere.

It was a report in the Globe and Mail that the Trudeau government is considering buying international carbon credits to meet Canada's industrial greenhouse gas emission reduction targets for 2030, contained in the United Nations' Paris climate treaty.

If accurate, this puts the lie to everything the federal Liberals have said up to now about Canada being able to lower its emissions to the prescribed levels through domestic measures.

Buying international carbon credits would mean spending - wasting, actually - billions of dollars of taxpayers' money annually, purchasing what amount to "hot air" permits on the fraud-ridden global carbon trading markets.

(For a full understanding of just how fraud riddled the carbon credit market is one has only to read up on the European experience- especially since Our LIE-berals modeled their plan on the European model! The European plan is riddled with stock trading scams orchestrated by crooked stock traders either paid by or coerced by Mafia thugs! In order to save jobs and avoid defeat in elections, European style LIE-berals have issued so many free carbon credits to critical industries that there are MORE carbon credits than in some industries than there is Carbon being produced! For those companies that do not have sufficient political “pull” to get free carbon credits- they can always buy FORGED CREDITS at modest cost- and there is a nice little sub market in forged carbon documents with the idea being to distance ones self from such paper in a series of “trades” and “sales”!)

The reason for the widespread fraud has to do with the nature of a carbon permit, which allows the bearer to emit one tonne of industrial carbon dioxide - an invisible, odourless gas - on the assumption someone else has reduced their emissions by one tonne.

The problem is that fraud is rampant in many countries churning out carbon permits, China, India and Russia being three of the biggest.

(One has only to look at the German car maker Volkswagen to recognize the lengths that fiscally hard pressed companies will go to remain solvent! In a very recent report it has been suggested that less than one third of diesel powered vehicles actually live up to their environmental billing in “real world” conditions- in other words the carbon “FIX” starts in a laboratory some place and runs from there! Volkswagen is NOT ALONE in playing fast and loose with carbon!)

Interpol, the world's largest police agency, has repeatedly warned about fraud in the international carbon markets, including tax fraud and the presence of organized crime.

By purchasing carbon credits on the international markets with Canadian taxpayers' money, the federal government risks not only being defrauded out of billions of dollars of our money, but of doing nothing to lower industrial greenhouse gas emissions linked to climate change.

(How sad to think that we COULD REALISTICALLY LOWER our carbon emissions by building more subways in Toronto if we canceled the LIE-beral carbon credit crap and used that money for the subways instead!)

That's because unless a carbon credit is authentic, it not only does nothing to lower emissions, it increases them.

(After all- sending Cdn tax money to third world countries-as Our idiot Boy Justin wants us to do- is basically LOWERING the tax burden on those citizens- thus allowing them to INCREASE their carbon foot print! But then Our idiot Boy WANTS to benefit third wolrd at our expense because we are-in the words of father Pierre Trudope “Cdn Imperialists”! The Trudopes know their carbon crap and trade will NOT clean the air-it will only clean wallets. They also know that taxing us heavily will shrink our carbon foot print as our life style is financially restricted - but it will also INCREASE the carbon foot print of people in other countries! The only people “winning” with this plan are LIE-berals and people on the other side of the world!)

(Our brainless Boy Trudope does not care if the credits are worthless-he is too busy BUYING his place on the world stage with his generosity-at OUR expense- to worry about local concerns like Cdn national bankruptcy! And Our idiot Justin happens to HATE Yankees and as 50 percent of our national is held by Yankees, it will hurt them if we default and cannot pay back our debts. Our idiot Boy wants to make economic chaos so he can reward his friends and injure those he despises thanks to his twisted moral values- the ones he learned from his father-the one famous for giving us that Salmon Arm Salute!)

The bottom line is that any industrial carbon dioxide emission reduction agreement dreamed up by the Trudeau Liberals that includes the purchase of international carbon credits should be viewed as highly suspect by Canadian taxpayers.

Nor should it be relied upon to actually lower our emissions.

(The real test of the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam is this: ask your friends and neighbours how many of them have ALTERED their carbon foot print in any way in the 4 months that Ontari-owe LIE-beral Carbon crap has been in place?)

(A LIE-beral would respond that clearly the price of producing carbon is TOO LOW if it has not forced us to change and that the cost must therefore be higher!)

(LIE-berals do NOT want to discuss the reality that it is civil service Hogs and their Sunshine List allies who have the largest carbon foot print in Canada. LIE-berals certainly do Not want to discuss the raises in pay they are giving to Hogs using Carbon tax revenue. LIE-berals do not wish to discuss the IRONY of using carbon tax money to ensure the biggest carbon Hogs in Canada will have the money they need to keep on producing their filth while the rest of us straggle along trying to pay our bills and save a few pennies for our old age etc!)

The fact the Trudeau Liberals are apparently ready to purchase such credits hould be viewed as deeply alarming and suggests Canada is about to be played for a patsy.

From what I understand, Germany is increasing it's use of coal because their green efforts aren't exactly reliable. So no, Germany in the long term won't be able to sustain their power and/or heat grid for an extended period of time which is why their increasing their use of coal.

sorry - it should read "they're" increasing the use of coal - wrong word - sorry!


Europeans have never been excited about nuclear power- even though their plants release ONE THIRD the amount of Tritium that Cdn nuclear plants do. The truth is that Europeans are moving to bio fuels- meaning garbage mixed with scrap wood etc and also back to coal-with the plants getting all sorts of fancy air scrubbers that our LIE-berals refuse to buy and use here for selfish personal reasons- BECAUSE Europeans have figured out that even for Germans with that WINDY NORTH SEA coast, mouldy green energy is simply NOT RELIABLE enough for large scale use!

The mouldy green requires such a huge back up set of generators using conventional fuels that its easier and more environment friendly just to use the back up generators! This is not to say that mouldy green is useless- just that its only a small player UNLESS you supply a LOT of costly back up and gross govt subsidies of the sort that is driving UP our electrical prices and driving DOWN the re-election chances of LIE-berals!

That mouldy green energy \only cleans wallets- |not the air!

From what I understand, Germany is increasing it's use of coal because their green efforts aren't exactly reliable. So no, Germany in the long term won't be able to sustain their power and/or heat grid for an extended period of time which is why their increasing their use of coal.

sorry - it should read "they're" increasing the use of coal - wrong word - sorry!

Our brainless Boy Justin Trudope displays the same anti western, anti democracy, anti capitalist, anti American, anti British values as his wretched father Pierre. Father Pierre told reporters that the war against Adolf Hitler was a British war of Imperialism and that Canadian Imperialists who supported the war ought to be HANGED! And Pierre volunteered to LEAD the lynch mob!

Father Pierre publicly wrote and spoke in support of both hard line communist butcher Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler. But when Hitler stabbed his pal Stalin in the back and invaded Soviet Union, Pierre reversed himself and condemned Hitler.
Father Pierre also wrote a book: Two Innocents in Red China in which he heaped praise on the bloody handed Communist murderers of 30 million Chinese!

Our brainless Boy Justin has spoken publicly of his admiration for the way the Chinese communist party gets things done. Our Boy also heaped praise on Cuban dictator Castro. Brother Sacha Trudeau wrote a sickening “love letter to Castro” that was relentlessly and deservedly mocked in National Post newspaper. Sacha also collaborated with Iranian Mullahs and their chosen film makers to produce a series of anti Israel and anti Yankee propaganda films.

But the anti western values of the Trudope clan do not end there. Our brainless Boy insists we buy oil for eastern Canada from the hard core socialist govt of Venezuela in spite of its govt being run by tyrannical madmen who have made such a mess that the Venezuelan army is STEALING the food aid that it was supposed to hand out to starving peasants-and Our idiot Boy wants to support such thieves?

Our Boy would rather deal with lunatic Venezuelan socialists than Alberta oil producers because the pro western/Yankee friendly Alberta gang hates LIE-berals!

Our brainless Boy is encouraging environmental nut bars to oppose running oil tankers up the west coast.....WHY then is he so determined to keep oil tankers from Venezuela running up the east cost-unless his hatred of Alberta is greater than his common sense? Our idiot Boy will screw Alberta for political reasons! It is for the same reason he does not want oil from Alberta to be exported to Ontari-owe-we must continue to buy from Venezuela to satisfy the skewed political values of Our idiot Boy!

Our foolish Boy is so irrational that he will refuse to let Albertans work in their oil patch and will also forego oil tax revenue from Alberta and send OUR MONEY to his socialist swine pals in starving Venezuela instead! His hostility to what his father called Cdn Imperialism is so strong he will ruin our economy rather than give in to those he hates!

Our idiot Boy remains blind to the fact that American “super pac” political groups are shoveling money into Cdn environmental protest groups for seflish Yankee reasons! If Cdn oil sands are shut down it makes Yankee oil patch more valuable. And why is it that dorks like Suzuki decry Cdn oil sands while IGNORING the California La Brea tar sands? It all looks like more hypocrisy designed to screw various Cdns that LIE-berals don’t like!

Our idiot Boy calls himself an environmentalist-and he just happens to have proven that to be a lie by canceling the public transit tax benefit that was being used by over 1.5 million Cdns. But then the stupid Boy is Not guided by environmental concerns. Rather, he is guided by a lust for power and the need to shovel out loads of gravy to the civil service Hogs who are the key to LIE-beral power! If grossly entitled Hogs turn against LIE-berals then Our idiot Boy is history-hence the endless costly vote buying by LIE-berals!

Our idiot Boy will spend billions on aid to third world dictators to “help them adjust to climate change” but Boy wont give us any concrete details on just what that costly aid is being used for. Looks to me it is simply idiot Boy buying MORE ani western pals-at OUR EXPENSE!

We know that Boy has given some money to Cambodia-and that money is likely to be used to create a HUGE dam on the Ton le Sap River-the one that supplies about 40 percent of ALL the food eaten by Cambodian peasants. Dam the river and the fish DIE-and peasants starve. TVO has several times played documentaries by the Cdn `Water Brothers` detailing the huge damage such a dam will do. What price is that for electricity in Cambodia-and is that a good use of our environmental aid-to force people to chose between starvation and electricity?

If Our idiot Boy wanted to get real value for environmental aid then why not take the billions and build a modern subway system in Toronto-one that would bring SOLID environmental results for decades to come by encouraging people to park their cars and avoid gridlock and use that efficient transit system instead of dumping our cash into third world pest holes where the money simply disappears into the pockets of thieves and dictators?

And why has nobody explained to Our idiot Boy that his plan to save our economy with borrowed money is nothing but a retread of that disgraced Bob Rae/NDP plan that Rae tried in Ontari-owe-with disastrous results-soaring unemployment, rising welfare costs and a doubling of provincial debt? Are LIE-berals and their civil service Hog supporters that blind that they either don’t know or don’t care what they are doing to the generations yet unborn who will be saddled with their debt? Just so long as they get their gravy!

Is Our idiot Boy that hostile to all western culture that he would be prepared to
bankrupt us rather than let our consumer culture survive? Apparently he is!
 

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Good for them.

Anyone here from Germany?? would be nice to hear from some one from there for their input.

either way: Germany seems to have its head screwed on correctly ..and have their priorities. in order.
 

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Read all that it'll be 10 minutes of your life you'll never get back.. :lol:

Read all that and you will know exactly why LIE-beral so called environmental issues are entirely USELESS and COSTLY garbage that only clean wallets and NEVER clean the air!

And lost in the small LIE-beral style small print is that Germany ONLY ran on 85 percent mouldy green energy FOR ONE IDEAL DAY- the rest of the time they burn the same crap we do!

How sad that LIE-berals are so greedy and so deceitful about what they are doing to us as they grandly IGNORE REAL environmental solutions!

But don't worry little LIE-berals- a lot of people are on to your garbage!
 

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Trudeau must reject fraudulent carbon credits
(Our brainless Boy Trudope does not care
Our brainless Boy Justin Trudope displays the same anti western, anti democracy, anti capitalist, anti American, anti British values as his wretched father Pierre.
Our Boy would rather deal with
Our brainless Boy is encouraging environmental nut bars
Our foolish Boy is so irrational
Our idiot Boy remains blind to the fact
Our idiot Boy calls himself an environmentalist-and he just happens to have proven that to be a lie by canceling the
Our idiot Boy will spend billions on aid to third world dictators to “help them adjust to climate change” but Boy wont give us any concrete details on just what that costly aid is being used for. Looks to me it is simply idiot Boy buying MORE ani western pals-at OUR EXPENSE!
We know that Boy has given some money to Cambodia-
If Our idiot Boy wanted to get real value for environmental aid
And why has nobody explained to Our idiot Boy
Is Our idiot Boy that hostile to all western culture

I don't like those who do not respect their chiefs .. like the chief of the tribe .. I even wept sadly for the outcome of the tyrant Saddam .. and I admired the Egyptian dealing with their king how they honored him (eventhough they ousted him) and I disdain what the savage Iraqi did to their king and his family.
 

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Wind turbines are neither clean nor green and they provide zero global energy

We urgently need to stop the ecological posturing and invest in gas and nuclear

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05...or-green-and-they-provide-zero-global-energy/


 

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Good for them.

Anyone here from Germany?? would be nice to hear from some one from there for their input.

either way: Germany seems to have its head screwed on correctly ..and have their priorities. in order.
Hiel Angela !