Doesn't change the fact
Neil Young IS evil corp.... Funny how he conveniently excludes himself during his myopic rants
let's stick with something within the last century.
PS - Al Gore invented the interwebs
Germany now running on 85% renewable energy
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Doesn't change the fact
Neil Young IS evil corp.... Funny how he conveniently excludes himself during his myopic rants
let's stick with something within the last century.
PS - Al Gore invented the interwebs
If you are comparing Germany to Canada, then there are only two provinces with a carbon tax.
So either your comment about a tax is disingenuous or just have no fukking clue about what you're talking about.
You aren't taxed on the increases to the cost of consumer goods and services?
HST on an $80 increase for a year of NG or 4.3 cents a litre isn't being collected?
True. Silly of me to bring up the airlines and the internet, both of which, as we know, are nineteenth-century phenomena.
And, of course, oil, coal, and railroads no longer get government benefits.
Have you considered becoming a stand-up comedian for right-wing conventions?
Thanks for the tip... I'll bear that in mind when a new internets tax is applied
Sure... I'm guessing that those benefits outweigh (in real dollars) the myriad of taxes, fees, licenses, etc and whatnot?
get back to me when gvt will underwrite the financing but also guarantee an ROI to oil, coal ad rail by virtue of bought deals
Good idea.... probably go over really big at the Green Peace conventions they hold
For Big Oil and Evil Corp internets is subsidized through tax credits ya silly guy you.
Really? Does the govt pay the airlines NOT to fly? Do they pay the railroads NOT to run their trains? Have you ever heard of a fossil fuel power provider being paid not to generate power? Nope, but they pay wind and solar providers for NOT generating.
This article is 100% grain-fed bullsh*t anyway. According to Fraunhofer ISE and their interactive graph, renewables, in this case wind a solar, contributed not much more than 17% of the power generation on that day, and that was only during peak hours.
However, compared to Ontario, Germany must be doing something right because the average consumer's hydro bills have declined each year since 2013. But then again, they got rid of the FIT and aren't paying solar and wind to NOT generate either. Which could be in part because unlike the Libtards over here, the Germans don't appear to be into corporate cronyism.
It's not a carbon tax.
Also, you can't even figure out what a subsidy is so you have no authority to discuss this.
An imposed fee $18.07 per tonne of CO2 as a "carbon credit" does not meet the criteria of the definition of a tax?
tax
noun
1.
a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.
synonyms: duty, tariff, excise, customs, dues; levy, toll, impost, tithe, charge, fee
"they have to pay tax on the interest"
True or false?
Really? This coming from a moron who thinks Liberal tax and spend is revenue neutral.
Giving the film industry in BC subsidies from carbon taxes is revenue neutral for the average personal consumer.
That's the carbon price.
It can be in the form of a carbon tax or cap and trade or even some other mechanism like Yukon is currently exploring.
It can be in the form of a carbon tax or cap and trade or even some other mechanism like Yukon is currently exploring.
It just seems though the fiscal burden of the tax policies in Germany are less intense on the people there than whats going on here in Ontario and and i also like their planning in the matter. They spent decades making the decisions when we spent only years on the same issue. They take there time and make better decisions than our provincial government who just seem to be spastic with their policies.
Here is an older post that explains The Nature of Crap? (Suzuki office)
The nature of crap- Why David Suzuki is a numbskull! Recently Suzuki complained that Justin Trudope has been prime minister for nearly a year and has NOT DONE ANYTHING about the environment. Suzuki exposes his political ignorance with that statement . LIE-beral policy has NEVER really been about the environment; rather they are concentrated on using environmental EXCUSES to tax us to death so they can continue to BUY civil service working family VOTES.
The Kyoto Accord-so beloved of LIE-berals was nothing more than a massive foreign aid program that would have shifted industrial jobs-and resulting pollution to countries run by third world despots --READ FRIENDS of our LIE-beral party and our socialist prime minister Justin Trudope! The formula was simple: WE PAY in cash for `carbon credits` AND most of us lose our jobs under Kyoto-so we then become dependent on LIE-beral handouts-LIE-berals will have us groveling at their feet begging like dogs-which is where LIE-berals THINK we belong!
LIE-berals pointed to Russia as an example of how much the air could be cleaned after the Soviet Union collapsed and a whole mass if grossly inefficient industries were closed down. LIE-berals do NOT want to talk about the job losses and economic collapse and the rise of hugely dangerous organizxed crime gangs that came with the end of the Soviet era-Kyoto was and is a HUGE LIE-beral Fraud!
LIE-berals now claim they have improved the air in OntraI-owe-as if forcing industries out of the province and destroying jobs with high taxes was a virtue! LIE-berals get a SMALL point for switching us from coal generation to natural gas electrical generation-but then we must start taking AWAY points for the following:
Natural gas is cleaner than coal-sort of-depending on WHERE you get it-injecting hundreds of thousands of gallons of sulphuric acid and other dangerous compounds into ground water all over North America for natural gas `fracking` will come back to bite us! Anybody who thinks their tap water tastes funny now has only to wait a few years for a truly unique taste sensation!
Then add in the cost to pipe gas to where it`s is needed-and and ask why is an oil pipe is so much more dangerous than a gas pipe The major problem with oil pipes is SLOPPY maintenance-the owners-don't care if some gets spilled-but govt could MAKE them care with increased fines. Then the plume of pollution from steel and concrete production needed for solar and wind power installations should be added to the cost of natural gas as the gas plants MUST be kept fired up and KEPT at full power-ready to take over at a moment's notice if wind and solar power fail as they so often do. LIE-berals have set solar and wind power as priority-ahead of all other electrical sources- without considering reliability. It might have been cheaper-and easier on the environment to simply add more sophisticated air scrubbers to coal fired plants-air scrubbers are good enough to allow nuclear subs to spends MONTHS underwater but we won't ever know if those fancy air scrubbers could work on coal plants as LIE-berals are more interested in propaganda and gravy and buying votes. Economic and environmental logic is a long way behind LIE-beral concerns over jobs and environment!
The quickest and easiest way to clear the air is to cut back on govt spending-too many govt Hogs flying about the world at our costs. In the 9 months AFTER the World Trade Centre attack-during which time 25 percent of the world's airline fleet was grounded-scientists reported a MEASURABLE IMPROVEMENT to world air quality!
And why not shout out this news-as reported in Cdn Geographic magazine and in assorted Toronto news papers? Add up ALL the pollution produced by `transport`-that means the movements of goods and people and services-whether by train or truck or ship or car all over the world and airplanes produce 75-85 percent of the total!
The people with the most money have the biggest carbon foot print and that means civil service Hogs. So, cut back on their GROSS pension plans-which we cannot pay anyway and they will respond by doing like ordinary people: they will buy smaller cars, drive less often, buy smaller and easier to heat houses and most importantly they will curtail their grossly DIRTY flying habit!
Why not simply balance our govt books and admit we cannot pay the Hogs what they THINK they deserve? By doing this we will also clear the air and save the environment as well as aiding our grossly taxed economy?
David Suzuki ought to know all this but it's the nature of his political crap not to understand such a simple and easy answer! And we KNOW LIE-berals will pretend not to understand because such a scheme would cost them votes --and we ALL KNOW that LIE-beral votes and power are WAY MORE IMPORTANT than the environment or your job!
GOOD STUFF! I laughed right out loud! Go Volkswagen!
You are a very funny person! Do you have any idea how loud our civil service Hogs would Scream if you rationed out fossil fuel to them and forced them to live in the German style! Check your figures-they drive smaller cars, drive less often, drive shorter distances, live in smaller houses-most of them built to better insulated standards than some of ours, their climate is generally milder so they don't need as much heat to begin with and they generally don't live in single family dwellings-they are much more likely to be living in multi story buildings-4-6 floors- and an elevator is a costly frill-so say some relatives who were there a while back!
Go read the city of Toronto master plan which sets up just that European scenario! Its how they plan to cram one million more people into Toronto.
And here is a bonus for Germans? They have a North Sea coast-huge screaming winds on a regular basis so they CAN use wind power were more sheltered Ontari-owe cannot due to lower strength and less reliable winds here.
And the final German benefit? THEY DID NOT LET LIE-berals set up their electrical system!
Cdns would be more interested in green energy if LIE-berals had set it up so their pals can sell all the green energy they can produce- NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE NEED!
Ontari-owe weather climate is different than the German and our green energy is less reliable which is why LIE-berals have natural gas fired generating stations fully fired up and ready to take over at a moments notice-yes- natural gas burning for full generating power 24/7 JUST IN CASE it MIGHT be needed!
WE would have a smaller carbon footprint if we scrapped the green energy and just used properly the natural gas that is being burned anyway!
The LIE-beral green energy farce is the centre piece of LIE-beral plans to use the Hydro system as a giant slush fund to buy Hog votes-its why the have slammed shut the books on Hydro now that a chunk of it has been sold to their well heeled pals!
Pity the poor deluded disciples of the LIE-beral party, they are required to swallow such heaping helpings of disgusting LIE-beral propaganda. The failings of their party are being exposed for all to see though this does not stop them from clinging to old habits involving denial, deception, distraction and dissembling. They talk around the truth but never deal directly with it-in the fashion set out below:.
I say: "LIE-beral policy has NEVER really been about the environment; rather they are using environmental EXCUSES to tax us to death so they will have cash to BUY civil service working family VOTES."
LIE-beral says: Completely untrue. LIE-beral then insists that LIE-beral green energy policy has been a great success and air is much cleaner.
I ask: why do we need a new LIE-beral carbon crap and trade program modeled on the totally disgraced European model if the air has already been much improved-as LIE-beral claims? The European crap and trade model is a proven job killer and is being exploited shamelessly by organized crime and crooked stock traders and bankrupt govts. LIE-beral will not respond to these serious criminal issues! Nor will LIE-beral comment on the fact that European crap and trade HAS NOT cleared the air-it has ONLY emptied peoples wallets!
LIE-berals state that they must sell off Hydro to `private` investors-read friends of LIE-beral party-so they will have cash to invest in transit. LIE-berals cannot tell us why it will be better for us to be gouged by a private corporation (more LIE-beral friends) seeking MAJOR PROFITS for their shareholders. LIE-beral party doesn’t have share holders as such-they simply have civil service Hogs with endless lists of entitlements that LIE-berals must satisfy or lose key supporters.
I also ask WHY LIE-berals are determined to completely CLOSE Hydro books to public scrutiny forever, even though the public will continue to own part of Hydro. What are LIE-berals HIDING in those books? I also point out that the money raised so far from Hydro sale has been ONLY used to repair existing transit-which has been LONG neglected. There will be NO NEW money for transit UNLESS the price of electricity is allowed to skyrocket even faster than it has recently done-the LIE-beral transit funding `gifts` from the Hydro sale are TOTALLY inadequate to construct a single new subway line, NOR an LRT! In the past whenever LIE-berals had to chose between transit repairs and more gravy they ALWAYS chose gravy and this is why our infrastructure is in such a parlous state!
I also point out the LIE-berals depend almost exclusively on Working Family civil service Hogs vote. Of every batch of one hundred Cdns- roughly 55 DON’T VOTE-that leaves 45 Cdns who do vote and LIE-berals recently got roughly 30 votes out of every 45 votes cast-to complete the circle-ONE employed CDN in three is a civil servant. This math-presented in greater detail recently by The Fraser Institute- confirms that virtually NO Cdn of the private sector will vote LIE-beral.
LIE-berals are painfully aware that voter turnout JUMPED by nearly 50 percent when Rob Ford ran for mayor and they are also aware that Mike Harris got the single largest mandate ever offered an Ontari-owe premier when he ran for his second term.
I say: LIE-berals live in terror of the silent majority of Cdns-the ones who do not normally vote and this is why so much of LIE-beral business is done in secret. It took police investigations to gather public information about the gas plants, about ORNGE and E-health and the shameless MARS building deal. It took relentless pressure from auditors and freedom of information requests from news media such as Toronto Sun and from people such as Kevin O`Leary to discover gross salaries paid to Hogs for `work` on Pan AM Games and disgusting bonuses paid out for starting up a made in Otari-owe pension fund. And now LIE-berals demand that we trust then when they say their Crap and trade plan is NOT simply a HUGE cash grab! They say “ TRUST US” in spite of currently dealing with FIVE separate police investigations and in spite of their plan NOT to show us on Hydro bills what crap and trade is really costing US for heating and lighting our homes!
Lie-beral says that the air is cleaner in Ontari-owe thanks to LIE-beral green energy policy.
I say that traditionally about 50 percent of air pollution in southern Ontari-owe has blown in from the United States/Ohio valley and the 2008 mortgage meltdown and globalization has turned much of the Ohio valley into a rust belt where nothing-not even air pollution is produced-thus reducing the amount of pollution blowing our way. Thus LIE-berals now falsely want to claim credit for destroying United States heavy industries-and reducing that pollution! And LIE-berals do not want to discuss the destruction of Ontari-owe heavy industries in an honest way either-they think it’s a virtue to drive away jobs with high taxes and huge energy costs. Hog gravy trumps all other needs!
I say that as proof that LIE-beral taxes and energy costs are too high I point to the assorted grants and easy `loans` and reduced tax programs that LIE-berals routinely offer to any company that might set up shop here. But business will not come-they know of the standard LIE-beral `BAIT AND SWITCH` policy. Business leaders know that the grants and loans and low taxes will be shut off in a few years and they then will be faced with the standard LIE-beral tax regime-which they cannot afford!
LIE-beral says: This improvement in air quality has been reflected in the improved health of the province's millions of children and adults with the drop in asthma and other respiratory ailments.
I say: that`s nice that people are breathing easier but we COULD have achieved the same results by cutting back on Hog salaries and pensions! I have quoted respected media sources that clearly indicate that we can clear the air by cutting back on the number of Hogs on airplanes. In the 9 months after the 9/11terror attack, 25 percent all airliners were grounded and this produced MEASURABLE improvements in air quality across the planet!
I also say its nice that people can breath easier, but lets talk about the mental health of this province where unemployment, stagnating wages, soaring taxes and routine failure of basic govt services are making people crazy! Then add in the stress on home life as people struggle with the anger and frustration of seeing LIE-berals smugly DENY any responsibility for creating our troubles!
Talk to condo owners in Toronto about their repeated electrical failures caused mainly by LIE-beral failure to replace aging transformers and such-Hog gravy is CLEARLY more important than keeping the power on!
Talk about health issues suffered by people stuck in endless gridlock; or those who are riding ancient busses and subway cars lacking air conditioning and who are too often stranded some place as aging TTC equipment FAILS. Talk to TTC heads about WHY Bombardier has not yet delivered subway cars as contracted and then ask if the several hundred million dollars given by LIE-berals to Toronto was a BRIBE to shut them up and stop threatening a lawsuit against Bombardier-based in LIE-beral friendly Quebec. TTC has been talking about a down town relief line for decades-but it will NOT be built because Socialist Silly Hall DOES NOT HAVE the money needed to fund the LIE-beral gravy train-with NO money left for a TTC relief line!
Talk to condo owners and home owners whose houses have been flooded with raw sewage because LIE-berals spend WAY MORE money on gravy than they do in repairing our infrastructure! And talk to all the people whose lives have been messed with and hugely delayed by flooded and washed out roads because hog gravy is more important than dealing with inadequate and aging storm water handling facilities. Ask how people feel about finding hundreds of gallons of formerly clean drinking water flooding their homes from water pipes that LIE-berals KNEW were rotten-and did nothing about! Good gravy is COSTLY!
LIE-beral makes quotes about how safe and good our tap water is.
I say: LIE-beral does not wish to discuss the funky smell of our tap water as algae blooms in the lake water thanks to chemical runoff. And its not as if govt is helpless about that-the three big concrete structures on the east side of DVP north of Bloor Viaduct were constructed SPECIFICALLY to prove how waste water could be cleaned up-cheap and easy! Its all related to Portlands activity-Silly Hall spent a BILLION DOLLARS on the proposed Ataratiri affordable housing mess and then discovered the land was too toxic to build on-so they were going to switch the Portlands back to being marshland that would filter dirty water in the same way as the concrete `teeth` near DVP-but now I hear Jackass John the Sorry Tory has some grand and unaffordable to build shops and housing on the site. More noise from the guy who talks a great fight and does nothing!
LIE-berals do not wish to discuss the weird chemical taste that enhances our tap water. Anybody who thinks their tap water tastes funny now has only to wait a few years for a truly unique taste sensation-once all those chemicals from `fracking` start percolating back to the surface consuming tap water will be a RARE TREAT!
LIE-beral EVADES truth with this answer: ."Each water source is tested several times a year. The latest testing data is only available for 2010-2011, but most municipalities in Ontario score surprisingly well."
I say: how utterly irrelevant to the REAL issues! WE all KNOW the water is tested regularly in the processing plants-but then LIE-berals pipe that water out into a MESS. LIE-berals do NOT want to talk about the 13 percent of Toronto houses that have highly elevated and dangerous amounts of lead coming into their houses with their tap water thanks to LIE-beral demands for gravy while the need for replacement of TOXIC OLD LEAD WATER PIPE IS IGNORED! LIE-berals also do not want to discuss the other residences that have lower, but still unsafe levels of lead in the water at their taps. LIE-berals ASSURE us the tap water is safe-while quietly supplying bottled water to Hogs at Toronto Silly Hall and at Queens Park at TAX PAYERS EXPENSE!
I say LIE-berals KNOW that lead pipe is buried AND STILL IN USE-all around our municipalities but they claim not to know how much there is and refuse to take action to replace that dangerous pipe because the cost would interfere with their flow of gravy!
LIE-beral says the water is tested several times per year-but can ONLY GIVE US `statistics` from FIVE YEARS AGO!
I say: Why the 5 year delay? Does it take 5 years to analyze the results? Or does it take five years to put a LIE-beral spin on ugly test results? LIE-beral wont answer.
LIE-beral says: Most of the rest of the shit you posted is simply hysterical, sensationalist garbage that you KNOW would NEVER be accepted from ANY legitimate paper or news source.
I say: I GET most of my “shit splats” as you LIE-berals so fondly call them FROM news media! But LIE-beral is quite right in that LIE-beral loving media whores (and they are the media majority) are doing all they can to suppress anti LIE-beral sentiments-but the annoying truth keeps popping up .
And the LIE-beral response to all this is: You're an imbecile. An idiot. An hysterical, alarmist asshole. Try again, imbecile!
I say LIE-beral is clearly a truly frustrated creature trying to defend a position that is desperately short on facts and logic!
