Damned your logic, damned your minds!

Dexter Sinister

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So don’t be afraid of these associaters and idolaters, for they will die.
So will you,and when you do you may be unpleasantly surprised to learn that none of what you believed in life is true. But you probably won't be. Death extinguishes your consciousness, you won't know anything, you'll just be gone. There's no credible evidence that supports any other result.
 

selfsame

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This is a great story foretold by God - be glorified - about one of the people of Paradise or heaven, who remembered a atheist or disbeliever who wrangled with him in the life of the World:

Quran 37: 50-61, which mean:
{50. Then they [after entering into Paradise in heaven] will turn to one another and question one another.

51. One of them [will] say: "[In the life of the World], I had a mate."

52. "Who used to say: "Are you really [one] of those who believe!?"

53. "Is [it true] that when we die and become dust and [rotten] bones, shall be requited?"

54. This [believer will] say [to his brethren: the believers in Paradise]: "Would you like to [go up to a high place in Paradise to] look down [at this mate?]"

55. He [will] look down [at his mate] and see him in the midst of Hell.

56. He [will] say: "By God! you were about to make me fall [with you in the Pit.]"

57. "And had it not been for the grace of my Lord, I should have been among the arraigned [together with you in the fire.]"

[Then he will start to address the people of Paradise and say:]

58. Is it [the case] that we shall not die [in Paradisec]!?"

59. "Other than our first death [in the life of the World], and [that] we shall not be punished."

[Then God – be glorified – said:]

60. This [indeed] is the mighty triumph.

61. So let workers work for such [prosperity.]}

For more explanation, see the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/37.htm#a37_50
quran-ayat.com/pret/37.htm#a37_50

So will you,and when you do you may be unpleasantly surprised to learn that none of what you believed in life is true. But you probably won't be.

No, I am certain about the Next Life following death: to live in the spiritual world of souls, while the material body will decay and return to the dust.
It is only your deeming so, and you will surprise to see that the next Afterlife is true, but everything has settled and you cannot return to the life of the World to correct your mistake, and you will then be sorry when the sorrow will not avail anyone in such condition.

Death extinguishes your consciousness, you won't know anything, you'll just be gone. There's no credible evidence that supports any other result.

You say this because you do not believe in God Almighty: the Creator; it is only you deem so, and there is in fact many credible evidences logical and from revelation and even from many observations indicating the Next Afterlife.
 

Dexter Sinister

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...there is in fact many credible evidences logical and from revelation and even from many observations indicating the Next Afterlife.
Why don't you produce some of them then? Revelation is worth nothing as evidence, that's just some person claiming to know something and is no better than anecdotal. There are no credible observations, evidence, or arguments that suggest there's a next life, or a deity, I've never seen anything offered that doesn't admit of simpler explanations. There is absolutely nothing known for which a supernatural explanation is the only possible one, or even a good one. Invoking the supernatural explains nothing, it's just a way of avoiding an explanation and admitting you don't know.
 

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The problem with Fundamentalism:



In the case of religious fundamentalism, the problem isn’t that folks embrace some basic accurate concepts of what reality is and get stuck there. The problem is these basic concepts were flawed from the very beginning, misinterpretations of experience at best, and outright manipulative lies at their worst. In any event these basic flawed concepts of reality, which are often viewed as absolute formative structures by some religious folks today, had nothing at all to do with any actual reality. They were the words of men, not the words of god.

These long dead men, tribal heroes, warriors with tribal agendas claiming to be prophets and speaking for god, often called for the complete annihilation of other tribes who had land or goods they coveted. Claiming their god instructed them to spare no man, woman, or child, as is recorded in many different biblical passages similar to Joshua 9:24 to Joshua 10: 28-30, these warrior prophets would leave no one alive. Joshua was a particularly ambitious and brutal tribal warrior, who was the instrument of death for many innocent people. But he was certainly not alone in his bloody work and there were many warrior prophets in this tribe throughout its history. Still are.

What these prophets claimed was revealed to them, was the will of a primitive warrior deity, which curiously always seemed to reflect exactly the mindset already held by these men, and the needs of their particular tribe. The Old Testament, the Torah, is the history and thoughts of a primitive brutal warrior tribe, living in a very rough neighborhood.

The words of self proclaimed warrior prophets were mistakenly seen to be words reflecting authentic divine directives, rather than being the simple tribal agendas they actually were. These primitive tribal agendas were sung, recited, danced, time and time again over millennia, until the were finally written as if they were god’s unalterable divine words.

There are obvious reasons why this tribal warrior deity appeared to be a bloodthirsty real estate god at times. Wandering tribes of warriors always need land, goods, and slaves. These are much easier to get if the taking and killing is done in the name of your god.

The two faiths that later also worshiped this warrior deity were no different in many respects. They shared the same agenda of conquering unbelievers, infidels, pagans, and taking their lands, goods, and gathering slaves, while using the offered chance of conversion [salvation] to justify unspeakable acts of cruelty done in the name if their god.

How curious the history of a small warrior tribe eventually morphed into everyone’s history. How curious these two later appearing faiths adapted the words and ideas of this warrior deity to their own self centered dreams of conquest, plunder, and divine destiny.

Unfortunately current fundamentalists on this planet, found in all three Abrahamic faiths, still build their beliefs, their perceptions of reality, on the back of ancient tribal agendas and the imagined words of a tribal war deity that has nothing at all to do with any people alive today. That is the real problem with fundamentalists who worship a warrior deity instead of a god that is love, having no tribal agendas. - Chris Waller
 

Twila

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Kind of curious why this thread is titled in the past tense!

i think he's suggesting because we don't drink his kool-aid that our logic and our minds are damned.

course the freudian answer is that he recognizes that we use our brains and are logical and it's negatively effecting his ability to keep blindly follow his pedaphilic prophet and satan worshiping pagan god.