The Trump Economic Miracle

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Just watching the report on The Donald's first 100 daze on tv. Seems quite a few things he tried to do have been blocked by the courts. Seems about all one has to do to block any legislation is find a tame judge.
 

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3 more quarters to go before we can make any real assessment
What will make that assessment "real?" Not disagreeing, mind, just wondering how you arrived at the conclusion that the arbitrary measure of a quarter isn't "real," but the arbitrary measure of a year is.

Just watching the report on The Donald's first 100 daze on tv. Seems quite a few things he tried to do have been blocked by the courts. Seems about all one has to do to block any legislation is find a tame judge.
Wouldn't a "tame" judge not block legislation?

What legislation has been blocked by a judge?
 

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Just watching the report on The Donald's first 100 daze on tv. Seems quite a few things he tried to do have been blocked by the courts. Seems about all one has to do to block any legislation is find a tame judge.



The judges are only going by the laws and the Constitution. I would think the way to have your legislation NOT blocked would be to make sure it's legal in the first place.
 

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What will make that assessment "real?" Not disagreeing, mind, just wondering how you arrived at the conclusion that the arbitrary measure of a quarter isn't "real," but the arbitrary measure of a year is.


Wouldn't a "tame" judge not block legislation?

What legislation has been blocked by a judge?

A's I recall a judge owned by the left in Hawaii blocked is travel ban without so much as a hearing.

The judges are only going by the laws and the Constitution. I would think the way to have your legislation NOT blocked would be to make sure it's legal in the first place.

Judges go by their interpretation of the law.
 

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The Trump fail continues.

Looking forward to seeing his executive order for his tax plan find some way of being disputed in courts.
 

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A's I recall a judge owned by the left in Hawaii blocked is travel ban without so much as a hearing.
I await your evidence that this judge is "owned by the left."

Figure it'll be a long wait.



Judges go by their interpretation of the law.
Which is their job. Even if you don't like it.

Still waiting for you to tell me what legislation has been blocked by a judge.
 

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We set a low bar for Trump. He still failed to meet it.

By Michael Gerson Opinion writer April 27

As we cross the finish line of President Trump’s first 100 days, no leader in recent memory has benefited more from low expectations. A more typical president who tumbled from an approval rating in the high 60s to one in the low 40s would be in a political crisis. Trump’s current performance is only a slight dip from his divisive norm. A president with pretensions of rhetorical coherence would be embarrassed by gaffes and mediocre speeches. For Trump, gaffes and inarticulateness are part of the package. A president with high standards of integrity would be mortified by a brewing scandal that seems to involve smarmy aides and a foreign government. For Trump, well, what would you expect?
The president is particularly proud of the consequential elevation of Neil M. Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. But this action invites a comparison. Trump’s one unquestioned achievement consists of appointing another man who actually has thoughtful convictions.
Much of Trump’s 100-days defense could have been employed by the pharaoh who ruled after the one in the book of Exodus. The cattle haven’t all died. We’ve seen less fiery hail. And pestilence has been kept to an acceptable minimum.
There is, however, one area in which Trump dramatically raised national expectations. He might be unknowledgeable. He might be immature. But at least, in polling language, he is a “strong and decisive leader.” This is a conceit that becomes harder and harder to maintain.
Consider Trump’s interaction with China. On the campaign trail, the Chinese were currency manipulators who were too weak on North Korean nukes. In his first meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, the American president got his first glimpse of the Chinese perspective and was transformed. On North Korea: “After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it’s not so easy.” On the currency issue: “They’re not currency manipulators.” It seems the case that one of America’s main strategic rivals was, quite literally, schooling the American president on economics and foreign policy.
A similar picture has emerged in Trump’s dealings with Congress. When the Freedom Caucus defied him on health care, the administration’s blustery threats against the dissenters came to nothing. House Republicans ignored his tantrum and continued their work. Now the president will likely be forced to endorse whatever they produce.
The same, no doubt, will be true of the construction of a physical barrier across the North American continent. Mexico has not been made to pay (and should not be). Trump has conceded that he will sign an omnibus spending bill that doesn’t include wall funding. In the long-term contest between Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and the border wall, Schumer — armed with the Senate’s rules — is the safer bet. And the absence of that wall will be a lasting monument to Trump’s political impotence.
This is not a problem that can be solved by the big bang of the MOAB (nicknamed the Mother of All Bombs). In a number of cases, Trump has not been cunning but credulous; not an authoritarian but a pushover. During his campaign, Trump looked down on the weak; now, it turns out, he is weak.
Ultimately, Trump is failing because he has little knowledge of the world and no guiding star of moral principle. The best of our leaders — think Abraham Lincoln — have been sure about the truth and uncertain about themselves. Trump is the opposite. His mind is uncluttered by creeds. He knows what he wants at any given moment, but it can bear little relation to the moment following. Who really believes that he would be sleepless if the wall were not built or if NAFTA ultimately survived? Who believes he would not be sleepless because of a nasty joke at his expense during a dinner party?
Without deep and thoughtful beliefs, persuasion is impossible. It is public reasoning that allows others to follow a leader’s footsteps in the snow. What has Trump done to rationally and respectfully persuade his critics?
Without deep and thoughtful beliefs, the prevailing advice is often the latest advice. For a rootless leader, in Oscar Wilde’s phrase, “passions are quotations.”
Trump clearly wants to be judged by a frenetic level of activity. But the issue at hand is direction, not momentum. It is useful to undo some past liberal excesses, as Trump has done. But negation can’t be confused with inspiration. There can be no measure of political progress without a measuring stick of political conviction. Instead, we are treated to hysterical self-praise. Appalling — but, hey, what did we expect?



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taxslave, before you go dismissing or condemning Gerson as a liberal, you might could wanna look him up. It'd save you from embarrassing yourself with your ignorance, like you did when you claimed that judges have blocked legislation in the Trump administration.
 

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What will make that assessment "real?" Not disagreeing, mind, just wondering how you arrived at the conclusion that the arbitrary measure of a quarter isn't "real," but the arbitrary measure of a year is.


My thoughts are that any assessment at this point is highly limited due to the short period of time that Trump has taken the reigns.

In terms of the measure of a (fiscal) quarter, in and of itself, that is clearly a real measure, however, as it is the first quarter of his Presidency, the (intended or otherwise) effects of his actions/policy would really not have much time to deliver a tangible result.
 

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My thoughts are that any assessment at this point is highly limited due to the short period of time that Trump has taken the reigns.

In terms of the measure of a (fiscal) quarter, in and of itself, that is clearly a real measure, however, as it is the first quarter of his Presidency, the (intended or otherwise) effects of his actions/policy would really not have much time to deliver a tangible result.
That's true, but much has been made of Trump's apparently magical ability to fix everything. The stock market has generally been doing quite well since Trump's inauguration, and his partisans have assured us that this is entirely due to confidence engendered by Trump, rather than by his policies, which as you have correctly noted, haven't had time to kick in, or even be fully formulated. So I thought it fair to present this evidence (which is all it is, evidence, not conclusive, but a significant piece of evidence) that the magical Trump aura ain't all it's cracked up to be.
 

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I am of the same mindset as yourself here.

Interesting point on the markets, while they are confident (to use a word) in Trump, I am sure that you have observed how fast they can swing based on a number of variables, many of which are independent of the POTUS.

Ultimately, the markets can react (and money move) with such speed and fluidity that it (in my opinion) is a better indicator of the conditions today moreso than something that is safe to employ as a projection

the magical Trump aura ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Regarding the above, this is nothing more than The Don's marketing efforts than anything else... We''l see in relatively short order whether or not he can live up to the hype
 

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By using the Supreme Court's interpretation of the laws? But wait, isn't that what you people are complaining about?
They're what we call "outcome-determinative." That means that they'll curse as illegal, immoral, evil, and fattening any process that leads to a result they don't like, and heap glory, lauds, and honor on the exact same process when it leads to a result they do like.

Stupid and scared people tend to be like that. It's not a political thing, their numbers on the left and the right are approximately equal.
 

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BC's economy grew by 3.4% in 2016 and Canada by 2.6%. Which means that people in BC are 3.4% more financially stable, 3.4% less in debt, 3.4% healthier, 3.4% more educated. Since Trump got elected, there have been like 3000 more Dow Jones on my plate and I'm like, Donnie, come on, I can't take this anymore. There are too many Dow Jones. I can't eat all of this.
 

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BC's economy grew by 3.4% in 2016 and Canada by 2.6%. Which means that people in BC are 3.4% more financially stable, 3.4% less in debt, 3.4% healthier, 3.4% more educated. Since Trump got elected, there have been like 3000 more Dow Jones on my plate and I'm like, Donnie, come on, I can't take this anymore. There are too many Dow Jones. I can't eat all of this.
It's yooge. (Credit to columnist Eugene Robinson for standardizing the spelling of "yooge.")