The Word became flesh ...

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... and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14 NIV)

What is the glory of the Word? Can this glory be duplicated?

"... Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:5-8 NIV)

"The Word became flesh" incorporates two kinds of glory.

The first glory of God is supremacy. God is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, etc. God has no superior and no peers.

The second glory of God is condescension. In spite of His supremacy, God chose to incarnate. This glory is seen exclusively in Jesus Christ.
 

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The thing, which let Christians and many others to be misguided, is the distorted Bible; i.e. it is not the original one revealed from God.

The Old Testament was re-written for Jews following their return from the captivity of Babylon; the one who re-wrote it was the priest or scribe Ezra son of Siraeh.

Moreover, many translations and many versions were there, and the original is lost.
The Conflict between the Torah and the Quran[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_

So they depend on the sentence in the present Book of Genesis: that in the beginning was the word .. and for this sentence they based their claim that Jesus is the same God or His son ...etc.

While Jesus was surnamed God's word because God created him by saying to him: "Be!" and he was as God willed.

In fact, it is very serious to say such words that he is the son of God or that he is God Himself.

Even, the earth and the planets and all mountains are about to crush and break up on account of their uttering such tremendous words that will lead those who believe in them to complete loss and to get the wrath of God Almighty.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/19.htm#a19_90
quran-ayat.com/pret/19.htm#a19_90
 

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And Peter took a picture of what Jesus was writing with his iPhone. It was "Go ahead and murder people in My Holy Name."

The rest is history.
Actually, very little killing was/is done in Jesus' name. At least not by anybody even remotely familiar with the stories and lessons attributed to Jesus. God usually gets the credit.
I firmly believe that a good number of right-wing christians are actually confused hebrews.

Love Kurt Vonnegut. He has a way with descriptive phrasing.

What makes me laugh is the stupidity of some people. Saw a post on my FB feed about a petition going around some small US town to erect a monument or whatever with the Ten Commandments. One bimbo in support of it said she couldn't see the problem considering most of the 10 Commandments are US laws as well.
Most. 3 out of 10 is "most" of them. She's just one more example of how religion makes people stupid. Not that everyone who is religious is dumb, but religion does tend to stunt intellect and reasoning.

I see people who are politically partisan in a similar vein in that they treat it practically like it's a religion. What they believe is more powerful and important than reality and they don't really like it when you disagree with or contradict them.
Having said that, it still makes me shake my head when I hear a non-believer challenge a believer to prove their god exists. We know they can't, but by the same token no one has even proven he/she/it doesn't.
 

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There can never be Peace or Love in the world when there are still those who insist that their way is the only way. Love is accepting everyone as your brother and sister no matter what they believe; which god, whatever sexual orientation, gender association, whether they are for against those things you hold dear. If there is only one god that created everything, then we are all children of that god. It doesn't matter if a person calls that god Allah, Thor, Krishna, the Great Mystery. Until we can accept all beliefs come from the same Source and only vary because of time, location and culture, then we will always have conflict and war.
 

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There can never be Peace or Love in the world when there are still those who insist that their way is the only way. Love is accepting everyone as your brother and sister no matter what they believe; which god, whatever sexual orientation, gender association, whether they are for against those things you hold dear. If there is only one god that created everything, then we are all children of that god. It doesn't matter if a person calls that god Allah, Thor, Krishna, the Great Mystery. Until we can accept all beliefs come from the same Source and only vary because of time, location and culture, then we will always have conflict and war.

"This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters." (1 John 3:16 NIV)
 

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Better yet, what if they stop having kids in countries where there is no food?
We could always stop causing food shortages and wars in the countries where most of the deaths take place. This sounds like the instigators are blaming the victims for their own troubles while conveniently forgetting that the only money allowed into these areas are to buy weapons and other goodies from these specific nations. Equipment to dig wells and other advances to help the people support themselves is not on the list. After the top 3% get their payoffs the lives of the 97% means very little to anyone but themselves. What the 3% are forgetting is the 97% can survive without the 3% better than the 3% can without the 97% around.

If North America has lots of food why are big families not promoted?? They were when the kids were destined to become the next labor force and next to no pay and little or no choice in what their duties are. Not the best definition of freedom that I have ever heard.
The boom we experienced after WWII was because of the reconstruction efforts rather than all those items were destined for all Americans. The boom ended when they got as much as they were supposed to get. The elite have the same level of control in the developed countries as the thugs do in the poorest countries. Control they have no qualms about exercising. 'Martial Law' is the only thing that has to be said in any developed country and they become as controlled as Gaza was between 1967-1987, which is much worse than it is today. That is how the military are trained these days no matter what developed nation they come from.

Better yet, what if you stopped telling other people how to live?
lol ?? I like your solution but to implement it you did tell him how to live which seems somewhat counter-productive to your own solution. Just sayin. . . .

Perhaps if our 'opinions' held more weight the closer the person was to your physical location and less the farther away they were. Over the horizon almost drops it to zero so crossing a border would drop it even more. We are no different, we don't even want the immigrants we let in to have the same options other citizens have. (same is not more in the real world, we are not part of the real world or truth would be staring us in the face all the time)

That being said we could sell other nations useful things instead of war machines and that would be helping in a benign way as they would be the ones to decide what to plant. (with free advice available from the global community) The rainy side of that coin is with all that free-time we would have to start looking for things that need fixing in our own back-yard. You wouldn't have to look far as the prisons and hospitals always seem to be full no matter how much we spend on those systems in an effort to see as many not needing those facilities,or so the pamphlet goes. One you start looking into issues like that and see how they work compared to the ad would have us busy for a few years just putting those system back on the rails.
 

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I think this poem comes close to capturing the true fall of Christianity in certain parts of America. The self proclaimed witnesses for Christ, embedded in the trump administration and the Republican Party, have turned the sacred into the profane. Their hatred and fear have changed the words of Christ into justifications for acts that are devoid of compassion and love. They have turned the word love into just another four letter curse. Their teacher would no doubt be ashamed and angry at such ignorance done in his name. He would have thrown the money changers out of the temple long ago.

There is still hope. What will save Christianity in America, a faith that at its roots is based on love, compassion, and inclusion, is that the vast majority of Christians are not republicans or money changers. Just as it has continuously evolved in the past through periods of being hijacked by emperors, kings, popes, money changers, wolves in sheep’s clothing, Christianity will shine as the message it originally was. The message was simply “Love one another as I have loved you.”



I have seen your religion, and I hate it.
I have heard your doctrine, and I loathe it.
Take away your empty praise songs,
your vacuous worshiptainment.
Your mouth is full of religious words,
but your proverbs are salted manure.

“The sick deserve to be sick.
The poor deserve to be poor.
The rich deserve to be rich.
The imprisoned deserve to be imprisoned.”
Because you never saw him sick, or poor, or in prison.

“If he had followed police instructions,
if he had minded the company he keeps,
he would not have been killed,”
You say in the hearing
of a man hanging on a cross
between two thieves.

“People who live good lives
do not have pre-existing conditions,” you say,
carving these words over the hospital door:
“Who sinned, this man or his parents,
that he was born blind?”

“It is the church’s job, not the government’s,”
say you fat sheep,
defending your fat shepherds,
shoving and butting with shoulders and horns,
while you foul the water,
grass,
and air,
and scatter the hungry sheep.

You watch the melting glaciers and say to the waves of the sea,
“this far shall you come, and no farther,”
as if your will could change the weather,
as if your will could be done in the heavens as it is on this earth,
as if you could drill the sky the way you drill the soil.

In your telling,
in the story of the starving of the five thousand,
there are not twelve baskets collected of left-over food;
In your story, God’s abundance becomes scarcity,
and the crowds devour each other.
“Send them into the villages to buy food,”
and let the Invisible Hand’s miracle of the free market sort them out,
the worthy from the unworthy,
while you eat the two fish and five pieces of bread
volunteered by a child.
These ungrateful poor,
the welfare queens
with their anchor babies,
stop before your disciples’ raised palms;
they hear you say,
“The Master cannot be bothered to bless your children.”

You see Hannah drunk,
and you jail her for fetal endangerment.

Like Haman, you hide behind the skirts of the king;
you make laws and pay bribes
that allow vigilante violence
and private discrimination
against those you hate,
sheltering underneath plausible deniability.
“It’s not a Muslim ban,” you say one day.
“It’s about religious liberty,” you say another.

This Bible you wave, this word you claim,
it is sharper than any two-edged sword.
You wield it poorly; it slices you on the backstroke.
You know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.
You tie up heavy yokes for others
whose burdens you do not bear,
but you will not lift a finger to help them.
To some you say, “Do not marry, but burn.”
You lock them out of the kingdom of God.
You cross sea and land for your missionary work,
and teach others to be as hateful as you.

Your kingdom is not the public park of Zechariah,
where children play in the streets
and old men and women lean on their canes for very age.
It is not the land where every fearless household
has its own vine and fig tree,
their own means of production and shade for their rest.
It is not the land where everyone has a home.
Your kingdom is the one with gates,
where homeless beggars have their sores licked by dogs,
where people who have the audacity to grow old
pay a premium for their insolence.
Like Ahab, you covet all the vines, all the fig trees,
letting your domain stretch as far as your eye can see,
adding house to house and field to field
until, in your gentrified land
there is room for no one but you and yours.
Like Pharaoh, you call those who refuse you “Lazy, lazy.”
You build walls, and walls, and walls, and walls,
and you stuff your ears to the sound of protest songs
that will shake those walls down.

I have seen your christ, and he is my antichrist.
He is the herald of a violent god,
a god of fertility but not fruitfulness,
a god of embryos but not emancipation, pro-birth and anti-life,
a god of war and retribution but not of justice,
a god of order but not of peace,
a god of might but not of mercy,
a god of marriage but not of love,
a god of sex but not of pleasure,
a god of platitudes but not of wisdom,
a god of work but not of sabbath,
a god who demands sacrifice from the poor but luxury and reward for Pharaoh.

Your religion is the religion of pyramids pointed heavenwards,
towers built to reach the heavens.
Supported by their flat base, built by slave labor,
they are stable monuments to wealth and death.
You fill their secret rooms with gold so that
in the afterlife,
you may cross to paradise
on the backs of the oppressed,
and live in forgetful pleasure for eternity.
Your gilded gospel is rusty ruin.

You are why the ancient Hebrews
seldom talked about an afterlife,
weary as they were of working
for Egypt’s dead heaven.
Your idols and your religion
are why those slaves left the yoke of heaven,
the land of binding,
for a wide wilderness,
for a nameless, faceless God
who told them they—even they—
were made in God’s image.
You are why your churches are empty
of those who love and believe in freedom.
You are why the Gentiles blaspheme the name of God.
You are the reason for the Exodus.

And if you pursue, may God throw you into the sea.
And the horse you rode in on.

References:
Amos 5:21-24
Luke 14:34-35
Matthew 25:31-46
Luke 23:33
John 9:1-12
Ezekiel 34
Job 38:11
Matthew 13:14-21
Matthew 19:13-15
1 Samuel 1:12-20
Esther 3:8-11
Hebrews 4:12
Matthew 22:9
Matthew 23:13-26
1 Corinthians 7:9
Zechariah 8:4
Micah 4:4
Isaiah 65:21-25
Luke 16:19-31
1 Kings 21
Isaiah 5:8
Exodus 5:17
Joshua 6
Genesis 11:1-9
Exodus 15:21
 

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It only works if everybody does the same. Dictators are a dime a dozen so if one doesn't work, install a different one.

How about fire instead of sea?`
 

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How is the Word made flesh and present among men today?

"Matthew 28:19-20 contains what has come to be called the Great Commission: 'Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'

Jesus gave this command to the apostles shortly before He ascended into heaven, and it essentially outlines what Jesus expected the apostles, and those who followed them, to do in His absence."

https://www.gotquestions.org/great-commission.html