Fed up with Islam Yet???
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Islam is a Race
Let's Call a Ban on Muslim Immigration What it Is: Cultural Racism
In her maiden speech to Parliament, Pauline Hanson smugly announced she was back but "not alone." Now the results are in, and it appears she was right. According to a poll released by Essential Media this week, almost 50 percent of Australians—spread across the political spectrum—would support the idea of a ban on Muslim immigration.
Even with a generous 15 percent margin of error, these numbers are phenomenal.
But Hanson's return is hardly the whole story. She may be the country's loudest public expression of anti-Muslim rhetoric, but she didn't invent these ideas. Both the Labor Party and the Liberals have been trading on the same notions of integration and security, albeit less overtly, for at least the past 15 years. What is our refugee policy built on, if not a fear of being "swamped by Muslims"?
The Liberals have long pushed the envelope on racist rhetoric while the ALP plays catchup—either duplicating Coalition policy or, at best, saying nothing to check them —creating an environment that has allowed racism to slowly metastasise.
Perhaps the only thing more depressing than Hanson's return has been the trend in "progressive" responses. The fashionable position this season is that people have "genuine fears" that need to be aired (read: legitimised).
Peter Lewis, whose company Essential ran the recent poll, basically came to this same conclusion. "How do you tell half the population that they are wrong?" he asked in an opinion piece for The Guardian.
Lewis plays a common white progressive game: It's Not Really Racism. He has a circular theory which suggests 1) you can never directly challenge racist views you don't agree with, and 2) that we have to perform some kind of Freudian magic to get to the heart of people's "true" anxieties. Half the country can't just be overtly prejudiced towards a specific racial minority, right?
Except that Lewis' own research says exactly that. The top reasons given for people's fear of Muslims are entirely related to cultural impressions—economic factors are not mentioned.
What if it's that simple? What if it's not about jobs or economic insecurity, but just a good, old-fashioned sense of cultural superiority? Is it so hard to believe that 15 years of dedicated rhetoric about Islam as an existential threat to the West, combined with relentless media coverage of Muslim minorities inciting cultural non-conformity and terrorism could lead us here?
Progressives are no more immune to this discourse than anyone else. Just last night, Dr Kerryn Phelps was on ABC's The Drum speaking about those "genuine fears." This meant talking about "cultural compatibility," while reeling off a list of vague statements about "the subjugation of women" and "female genital mutilation" without a fact or statistic in sight.
As someone who is rightly opposed to a gay marriage plebiscite on the grounds that it would open up a tsunami of hate speech and prejudicial discussions aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community, Phelps had no qualms about calmly wading into a similarly damaging conversation about the inherent threats of some imaginary homogenous Muslim culture.
Peter Lewis warns us that talking about people's racism can only make them more racist. This idea—repeated by many during the backlash against Sonia Kruger—suggests that the main thing we need to do in these situations is ensure that the feelings of racists aren't hurt by a discussion of the actual problem. It seems like in Australia you should always call a spade a spade, but never ever call racism, well, racism.
Lewis claims he's come to this conclusion after "20 years" in politics. Given his experience, I'd like to ask him to name a single movement in history that's seen racial justice achieved by avoiding actual discussions about racism.
In the wake of Brexit, Donald Trump's rise to presidential candidacy, and Hanson's return, commentators have been scrambling to explain the apparent overnight success of particularly vicious, reactionary political platforms framed around race and xenophobia.
The narrative that this can all be blamed on disaffected poor people has finally unravelled in the US, as well as the UK. As this latest Essential poll shows, polite, middle class people are totally capable of subscribing to nasty ideas in large numbers.
In Australia, where over two thirds of the population have regularly supported putting refugees in offshore concentration camps, the idea half of them are suspicious of Muslims isn't hard to believe. And there's no simple, overnight answer to a problem that has been decades in the making.
But people not having the backbone to identify and challenge growing racism is how we got here in the first place—it's not the way out.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/aamer-rahman-on
Evidently, people here don't like hearing the truth.
Lumping this into this thread kinda reveals how racist the forum is guys.
A victory for free speech.
Let's Call a Ban on Muslim Immigration What it Is: Cultural Racism
In her maiden speech to Parliament, Pauline Hanson smugly announced she was back but "not alone." Now the results are in, and it appears she was right. According to a poll released by Essential Media this week, almost 50 percent of Australians—spread across the political spectrum—would support the idea of a ban on Muslim immigration.
Even with a generous 15 percent margin of error, these numbers are phenomenal.
But Hanson's return is hardly the whole story. She may be the country's loudest public expression of anti-Muslim rhetoric, but she didn't invent these ideas. Both the Labor Party and the Liberals have been trading on the same notions of integration and security, albeit less overtly, for at least the past 15 years. What is our refugee policy built on, if not a fear of being "swamped by Muslims"?
The Liberals have long pushed the envelope on racist rhetoric while the ALP plays catchup—either duplicating Coalition policy or, at best, saying nothing to check them —creating an environment that has allowed racism to slowly metastasise.
Perhaps the only thing more depressing than Hanson's return has been the trend in "progressive" responses. The fashionable position this season is that people have "genuine fears" that need to be aired (read: legitimised).
Peter Lewis, whose company Essential ran the recent poll, basically came to this same conclusion. "How do you tell half the population that they are wrong?" he asked in an opinion piece for The Guardian.
Lewis plays a common white progressive game: It's Not Really Racism. He has a circular theory which suggests 1) you can never directly challenge racist views you don't agree with, and 2) that we have to perform some kind of Freudian magic to get to the heart of people's "true" anxieties. Half the country can't just be overtly prejudiced towards a specific racial minority, right?
Except that Lewis' own research says exactly that. The top reasons given for people's fear of Muslims are entirely related to cultural impressions—economic factors are not mentioned.
What if it's that simple? What if it's not about jobs or economic insecurity, but just a good, old-fashioned sense of cultural superiority? Is it so hard to believe that 15 years of dedicated rhetoric about Islam as an existential threat to the West, combined with relentless media coverage of Muslim minorities inciting cultural non-conformity and terrorism could lead us here?
Progressives are no more immune to this discourse than anyone else. Just last night, Dr Kerryn Phelps was on ABC's The Drum speaking about those "genuine fears." This meant talking about "cultural compatibility," while reeling off a list of vague statements about "the subjugation of women" and "female genital mutilation" without a fact or statistic in sight.
As someone who is rightly opposed to a gay marriage plebiscite on the grounds that it would open up a tsunami of hate speech and prejudicial discussions aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community, Phelps had no qualms about calmly wading into a similarly damaging conversation about the inherent threats of some imaginary homogenous Muslim culture.
Peter Lewis warns us that talking about people's racism can only make them more racist. This idea—repeated by many during the backlash against Sonia Kruger—suggests that the main thing we need to do in these situations is ensure that the feelings of racists aren't hurt by a discussion of the actual problem. It seems like in Australia you should always call a spade a spade, but never ever call racism, well, racism.
Lewis claims he's come to this conclusion after "20 years" in politics. Given his experience, I'd like to ask him to name a single movement in history that's seen racial justice achieved by avoiding actual discussions about racism.
In the wake of Brexit, Donald Trump's rise to presidential candidacy, and Hanson's return, commentators have been scrambling to explain the apparent overnight success of particularly vicious, reactionary political platforms framed around race and xenophobia.
The narrative that this can all be blamed on disaffected poor people has finally unravelled in the US, as well as the UK. As this latest Essential poll shows, polite, middle class people are totally capable of subscribing to nasty ideas in large numbers.
In Australia, where over two thirds of the population have regularly supported putting refugees in offshore concentration camps, the idea half of them are suspicious of Muslims isn't hard to believe. And there's no simple, overnight answer to a problem that has been decades in the making.
But people not having the backbone to identify and challenge growing racism is how we got here in the first place—it's not the way out.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/aamer-rahman-on
Evidently, people here don't like hearing the truth.
Lumping this into this thread kinda reveals how racist the forum is guys.
A victory for free speech.
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Re: Islam is a Race
What absolute unmitigated stupidity.
Has it occurred to any of you drooling ****ing morons that just maybe, just maybe mass attacks in France, leadiong to that nation suspending civil rights for the last 15 months, mass sexual assault in Germany, attacks in Belguim, rape, an exodus of Jews, and no-go areas in Sweden hundreds dead, thousands wounded in Muslim terror attacks........has it occurred to any of you morons that the culture of Islam NEEDS to be condemned?
Last month alone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2017
We need to limit Muslim immigration. If we let the population pass 5% or so, we will be sorry.........look at France. Muslim population somewhere between 8 and 10 percent, French democracy destroyed.
"Progressive" idiots are suicidal.
Oh, and culture is not race, and if it was, YES I would be a proud cultural racist, as the culture of western Christian civilization is the absolute apex of human development, and the culture of Islamic ideology is way way way down the slope.
Let's Call a Ban on Muslim Immigration What it Is: Cultural Racism
In her maiden speech to Parliament, Pauline Hanson smugly announced she was back but "not alone." Now the results are in, and it appears she was right. According to a poll released by Essential Media this week, almost 50 percent of Australians—spread across the political spectrum—would support the idea of a ban on Muslim immigration.
Even with a generous 15 percent margin of error, these numbers are phenomenal.
But Hanson's return is hardly the whole story. She may be the country's loudest public expression of anti-Muslim rhetoric, but she didn't invent these ideas. Both the Labor Party and the Liberals have been trading on the same notions of integration and security, albeit less overtly, for at least the past 15 years. What is our refugee policy built on, if not a fear of being "swamped by Muslims"?
The Liberals have long pushed the envelope on racist rhetoric while the ALP plays catchup—either duplicating Coalition policy or, at best, saying nothing to check them —creating an environment that has allowed racism to slowly metastasise.
Perhaps the only thing more depressing than Hanson's return has been the trend in "progressive" responses. The fashionable position this season is that people have "genuine fears" that need to be aired (read: legitimised).
Peter Lewis, whose company Essential ran the recent poll, basically came to this same conclusion. "How do you tell half the population that they are wrong?" he asked in an opinion piece for The Guardian.
Lewis plays a common white progressive game: It's Not Really Racism. He has a circular theory which suggests 1) you can never directly challenge racist views you don't agree with, and 2) that we have to perform some kind of Freudian magic to get to the heart of people's "true" anxieties. Half the country can't just be overtly prejudiced towards a specific racial minority, right?
Except that Lewis' own research says exactly that. The top reasons given for people's fear of Muslims are entirely related to cultural impressions—economic factors are not mentioned.
What if it's that simple? What if it's not about jobs or economic insecurity, but just a good, old-fashioned sense of cultural superiority? Is it so hard to believe that 15 years of dedicated rhetoric about Islam as an existential threat to the West, combined with relentless media coverage of Muslim minorities inciting cultural non-conformity and terrorism could lead us here?
Progressives are no more immune to this discourse than anyone else. Just last night, Dr Kerryn Phelps was on ABC's The Drum speaking about those "genuine fears." This meant talking about "cultural compatibility," while reeling off a list of vague statements about "the subjugation of women" and "female genital mutilation" without a fact or statistic in sight.
As someone who is rightly opposed to a gay marriage plebiscite on the grounds that it would open up a tsunami of hate speech and prejudicial discussions aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community, Phelps had no qualms about calmly wading into a similarly damaging conversation about the inherent threats of some imaginary homogenous Muslim culture.
Peter Lewis warns us that talking about people's racism can only make them more racist. This idea—repeated by many during the backlash against Sonia Kruger—suggests that the main thing we need to do in these situations is ensure that the feelings of racists aren't hurt by a discussion of the actual problem. It seems like in Australia you should always call a spade a spade, but never ever call racism, well, racism.
Lewis claims he's come to this conclusion after "20 years" in politics. Given his experience, I'd like to ask him to name a single movement in history that's seen racial justice achieved by avoiding actual discussions about racism.
In the wake of Brexit, Donald Trump's rise to presidential candidacy, and Hanson's return, commentators have been scrambling to explain the apparent overnight success of particularly vicious, reactionary political platforms framed around race and xenophobia.
The narrative that this can all be blamed on disaffected poor people has finally unravelled in the US, as well as the UK. As this latest Essential poll shows, polite, middle class people are totally capable of subscribing to nasty ideas in large numbers.
In Australia, where over two thirds of the population have regularly supported putting refugees in offshore concentration camps, the idea half of them are suspicious of Muslims isn't hard to believe. And there's no simple, overnight answer to a problem that has been decades in the making.
But people not having the backbone to identify and challenge growing racism is how we got here in the first place—it's not the way out.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/aamer-rahman-on
Evidently, people here don't like hearing the truth.
What absolute unmitigated stupidity.
Has it occurred to any of you drooling ****ing morons that just maybe, just maybe mass attacks in France, leadiong to that nation suspending civil rights for the last 15 months, mass sexual assault in Germany, attacks in Belguim, rape, an exodus of Jews, and no-go areas in Sweden hundreds dead, thousands wounded in Muslim terror attacks........has it occurred to any of you morons that the culture of Islam NEEDS to be condemned?
Last month alone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2017
We need to limit Muslim immigration. If we let the population pass 5% or so, we will be sorry.........look at France. Muslim population somewhere between 8 and 10 percent, French democracy destroyed.
"Progressive" idiots are suicidal.
Oh, and culture is not race, and if it was, YES I would be a proud cultural racist, as the culture of western Christian civilization is the absolute apex of human development, and the culture of Islamic ideology is way way way down the slope.
Regarding the OP, I was 'fed up with Islam' when I first started studying it years ago.
I have no quarrel with any faith but when it completely controls one's life as Islam does it is nothing but an obsession. I don't know how people can live with the rules of Islam which must be followed; praying 5 times a day, pilgrimage to Mecca, what hand to use to wipe your backside, forcing women into submission, depriving women from education and freedom of movement, stoning or beheading sinners, condoning child marriages, if, when and how you may cut your hair, etc., etc., etc........
No one born a Muslim can denounce Islam. Death is recommended for those who do.
Muslims should not be demonized but their religion is worthy of being demonized. Muslims who strictly adhere to their religion have to soft in the head.
I have no quarrel with any faith but when it completely controls one's life as Islam does it is nothing but an obsession. I don't know how people can live with the rules of Islam which must be followed; praying 5 times a day, pilgrimage to Mecca, what hand to use to wipe your backside, forcing women into submission, depriving women from education and freedom of movement, stoning or beheading sinners, condoning child marriages, if, when and how you may cut your hair, etc., etc., etc........
No one born a Muslim can denounce Islam. Death is recommended for those who do.
Muslims should not be demonized but their religion is worthy of being demonized. Muslims who strictly adhere to their religion have to soft in the head.
Dexter, do your homework. Western civilization exists specifically because of Christianity.
You might just do a bit of research, There is very little difference between the beliefs of Christianity and Islam. Here is a reasonable site for both sides.
Islam vs Christianity
Yup, just as Christians are responsible as to how Christians are perceived!!
It all comes down to how advanced and enlightened any individual is, as to how that person perceives a Supreme Being to be.
"You might just do a bit of research, There is very little difference between the beliefs of Christianity and Islam. Here is a reasonable site for both sides"
That is simply ridiculous. There is no comparison of what Jesus taught and the inconsistent ramblings of Mohammed. And I have done research. Maybe YOU should do some research.
That is simply ridiculous. There is no comparison of what Jesus taught and the inconsistent ramblings of Mohammed. And I have done research. Maybe YOU should do some research.
I have done and if you read the bible you would have too,, Jesus said " I come not to change the law but enforce it, " The law in Jesus's time was the Jewish law of the Old testament, So, all research comes back to those two books. Furthermore, we no longer stone witches, kill all those who do not believe in that version of God, Also, no longer do most people believe that the human race began with Adam and Eve as the Old Testament says it does, There were other humans in existence during the time of the "Garden of Eden" as was clearly indicated in the Old Testament or "The Law according to Jesus," Adam & Eve"s off-spring did not mate with their own siblings,
So, believe as you wish but do NOT tell others their views must be yours. Try to be reasonable in your belief and allow others theirs
Even in today's world there is a very legitimate reason for having both testaments comprising the Christian bible, How Christianity has evolved is mostly due to a softening of the old Jewish laws1! Try looking at the Gnostic Gospels with a view to how the modern view of Christianity has evolved despite the efforts of the early church.
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oh, and...
Katewerk @katewerk Normal people ask, "They needed to be paid to do this?"
Muslim group rejects federal grant to fight extremism
Fourth Muslim group rejects federal grant to fight extremism | The Sacramento Bee
Remember the Inquisition? The Catholic church (Christian) did that!! Don't think those Christians had much remorse,
It seems they don't!! Please note they refused payment.
Please explain in detail some highlights as to what and who the inquisition was ? My history of Moor's and Spain is a little shaky .
Is the inquisition still happening and is it condoned by the church hierarchy ?
Two groups of my forebears came to he New World, escaping genocidal religious persecution ... Anabaptists from Switzerland ± and Huegenots .. French Protestants. Ever wonder why there aren-t many Protestants in France?
Neither had anything to do with the inquisition. The first group were forced out of Europe at the end of the Thirty Years War and the Second group were persecuted by Cardinal Richelieu.
The early history of European settlement has a lot of similar stories associated with it. The Puritan Pilgrims that landed at Plymouth Mass.were religious refugees and there were plenty of others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition. This explains the reasons and extent of that period of time, It was a growing period of Christianity, much like Islam is going through these days. At least we do not throw Muslims into an arena of lions. However, some Christian nations believe in water-boarding still, Religions in my own opinion, are misused. I am never going to be sure, if any religion was designed to elevate humans or to control them or if it was invented by humans or for elevating the species,
All any of us can do is to choose the form of belief that, in our individual opinion, will elevate ourselves in the most agreeable manner possible,
Great now please the Catholics and inquisition .
Wow so you admit you know nothing of the inquisition , yet you use it as a means to denigrate Catholics .