Why Feminism Has Become Toxic

[Mowich]

What women want is to cherry pick all the nicest jobs for themselves by calling the sexist card while leaving all the hard jobs to the men. It's hard to respect that.

It is hard to respect someone who uses generalities to make their point, Angst. I've spent a good portion of my life in traditionally male-dominated jobs - in the early days I was often the only woman on the crew. Sexism played no part in my acceptance as an employee. Rather knowledge of the job I was applying for, a willingness to take on any task required of me, a good strong work ethic and an ability to work along side men not used to having a woman on the crew and who had some rather interesting ideas about it. I never got a promotion that I hadn't earned by good hard work and I was paid exactly the same as anyone else in my position.

There are many women with similar stories who, I know, would scoff at the idea of using the sexist card to get a job, knowing full well that once you were in the door you better know how to produce, so why bother.

 

[Angstrom]

It is hard to respect someone who uses generalities to make their point, Angst. I've spent a good portion of my life in traditionally male-dominated jobs - in the early days I was often the only woman on the crew. Sexism played no part in my acceptance as an employee. Rather knowledge of the job I was applying for, a willingness to take on any task required of me, a good strong work ethic and an ability to work along side men not used to having a woman on the crew and who had some rather interesting ideas about it. I never got a promotion that I hadn't earned by good hard work and I was paid exactly the same as anyone else in my position.

There are many women with similar stories who, I know, would scoff at the idea of using the sexist card to get a job, knowing full well that once you were in the door you better know how to produce, so why bother.

You may not have got every promotion you deserved but you have my respect and i consider you a equal. You earned it the right way.

I wish more women were like you.

Respect as a equal is something you earn. No one is entitled to my respect as a equal. Men or women. Everyone earns their keep

 

[Mowich]

You may not have got every promotion you deserved but you have my respect and i consider you a equal. You earned it the right way.

I wish more women were like you.

Respect as a equal is something you earn. No one is entitled to my respect as a equal. Men or women. Everyone earns their keep

I respect that, Angst.

 

[Twila]

How much real value do you produce in one day?

When you can produce billions of dollars of equity value every year like men do every day, I'll consider treating you as a equal.

I am not your equal. I am your better.

How you think you'd treat me if you met me means nothing to me. Your opinion of your value is over inflated. Men can only produce only BECAUSE there are women. Without us you'd be in a case scratching your balls and jerking off in the corner. Pffft!

By the way: Those that can, don't brag about it. Those that can't, lie.

But at least your funny. so you got that going for you.

 

[Bar Sinister]

You obviously live in a imaginary world where you can suck at what you do all you're life and have zero consequences for your shortcomings.

All of this society's infrastructure is built by strength & intelligence. It's no wonder we have no women in construction. Most can't handle it. Women can be equals to me the day I see them get off their lazy a$$'s and comme work where if you're not the best you're sitting at home on unemployment.

Until women share 50% of the work load of building this society's infrastructure then I can't consider you a equal.

And that is under your own definition of equality.

What women want is to cherry pick all the nicest jobs for themselves by calling the sexist card while leaving all the hard jobs to the men. It's hard to respect that.

And you suck at intelligent commentary, but not surprising - I've yet to see you post anything that makes any real sense. Do you actually think brute strength is a substitute for intelligence? Intelligence has always trumped strength from the invention of the bow and arrow to modern day inventors, many of who are women.

 

[Angstrom]

And you suck at intelligent commentary, but not surprising - I've yet to see you post anything that makes any real sense. Do you actually think brute strength is a substitute for intelligence? Intelligence has always trumped strength from the invention of the bow and arrow to modern day inventors, many of who are women.

By your definition we will be equal when 50% of construction is done by women. That was a criteria you chose. I'll treat you as a equal the day that happens

And you can feel you are equal the day that happens. Until then, we are not equal.

I am not your equal. I am your better.

How you think you'd treat me if you met me means nothing to me. Your opinion of your value is over inflated. Men can only produce only BECAUSE there are women. Without us you'd be in a case scratching your balls and jerking off in the corner. Pffft!

By the way: Those that can, don't brag about it. Those that can't, lie.

But at least your funny. so you got that going for you.

That's right. It's why genetically we have evolved to protect women. Because it only takes one man to impregnate 100 women. And you will grow the population by 100+ new born.
100 men to 1 women will only grow the population by one new born.

That's why men and women are different. And women are more valuable. And men do all the dangerous tasks.

Men naturally take women into consideration in all decisions. It's genetically ingrained in us due to survival evolution. Women are able to ignore men in their decisions because we are genetically ingrained to value themselves for survival.

 

[tay]

that's funny as hell.


My grandmother got a university degree in 1922, and ended up raising three sons alone after her two husbands died. My mother got a bachelor's degree in geology in the 1940s. she stayed at home to raise a family, but went back to work when the youngest was in school. They were real feminists.


one famous time in the mid 1960s there was an industrial plant that was in the midst of a unionization drive. it was a bitter fight. the guy who lived a few houses up the street was in management at the plant. a car started sitting outside his house, on the street, it was a couple of union thugs trying to intimidate him. my mother always felt that what happens at work stays at work, and the woman in the house was her friend, and was nervous about these guys sitting on the street.


So my mother took the old .22 off the wall, and walked up to the car in broad daylight. Holding the rifle casually, she knocked on the window of the car. When the two guys inside rolled down the window, my mother said, 'can I help you, or are you going to fk off and never come back?'. Oddly enough, the guys left, and did not return.


And yes, it may have been the 60s, but when the situation called for it, she used that word.


She was what I call a 'real' feminist.

My mother in law who's now 92 was a design engineer and worked on the Avro Arrow amongst other planes.......

 

[Angstrom]

"Save the women and children first"

The men will sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the survival of the species.

It's also why men have the ability to be feminists even if they are not women.

I've never witnessed a massive gathering of women to talk about why men sustain 95% of work related injuries and change needs to happen.

But men support women in many of their social demands.

Because we are genetically programmed that way

 

[tay]

 

[Angstrom]

As a man, I am genetically trained to put the survival of women before my own. Wtf more do you want for fuk sake?

So for equality to be attained. Men have to also stop putting women ahead of themselves.

So I have. Women can all go fuk themselves!!! You want equality? Be careful for what you wish for. Cause you may just get it.

 

[tay]

Speaking of feminism, where is she? I haven't heard a peep from her......

 

[Angstrom]

Women want to be men? Then. You're equally expandable then we are.
Men die 10 to 15 years younger because we do all the hard dangerous work. How the fuk is that equal???

Do you see 10 million men marching in the streets to proclaim inequality for it??
No because we are genetically programmed to put women lives before our own.

 

[tay]

On Wednesday, Maryam Mirzakhani became the first woman in 78 years to be awarded the prestigious Fields Medal, considered the highest honor in mathematics. She was selected for "stunning advances in the theory of Riemann surfaces and their moduli spaces."

The Fields Medal is awarded every four years by the International Mathematical Union to outstanding mathematicians under 40 who show promise of future achievement. With the announcement of Mirzakhani and this year's other awardees—Arthur Avila, Manjul Bhargava, and Martin Hairer—there now have been 54 male and 1 female medalists.

Many hope Mirzakhani's Fields medal is a sign of change to come. "I will be happy if it encourages young female scientists and mathematicians," she said in a press release. Christiane Rousseau, vice president of the International Mathematics Union, told the Guardian this is "an extraordinary moment" and "a celebration for women," comparable to Marie Curie's barrier-breaking Nobel prizes in physics and chemistry in the early 20th century.

And as Canadian math professor Izabella Laba wrote: "Mirzakhani's selection does exactly nothing to convince me that women are capable of doing mathematical research at the same level as men. I have never had any doubt about that in the first place…What I take from it instead is that we as a society, men and women alike, are becoming better at encouraging and nurturing mathematical talent in women, and more capable of recognizing excellence in women's work."

Mirzakhani's accomplishment is all the more groundbreaking in light of the well-documented disadvantages and biases women face in math and science. According to the National Academy of Sciences, there are no significant biological differences that could explain women's low representation in STEM academic faculty and leadership positions (although that doesn't stop prominent people from making claims otherwise)Instead, NAS says we can thank bias and academia's "outmoded institutional structures."

For example, in a 2008 Yale study, professors were asked to rate fictional applicants for a lab manager position. When given an application with a male name at the top, professors rated the candidate more competent and hirable than when given an otherwise identical form with a female name. This bias was found in both male and female faculty members.

And that's not all women in STEM fields have to contend with: A July report found that a full 64 percent of women in various scientific fields were sexually harassed while doing fieldwork.

These disadvantages—along with a history of men getting the credit for discoveries and inventions made by women—help explain why only 9 to 16 percent of tenure-track positions in math-intensive fields at the top 100 US universities are held by women.

According to the American Mathematical Society, the share of women earning Ph.D.s in math has remained stagnant for decades:

Meet the First Woman to Win the "Nobel Prize of Mathematics" | Mother Jones

 

[davesmom]

People need to stop thinking that all women are the same.
Some women are strong, intelligent and capable of whatever they set their minds to. Some women are weak, dependent and don't have what it takes to work for what they want. Each has different strengths and talents. Whether they put those strengths and talents to good use or not is up to them.
It's ridiculous to put them all in the same category.
I am against promoting women in the workplace, in politics or anywhere else. What good will they be anywhere if they are given the jobs because they are women? If women want to enter and succeed in the workplace, politics or anywhere else they can do so on their own merit and incentive and many of them do.

 

[petros]

Women have come a long way after the scientific consensus that they would never be able to learn to read and write.

 

[Twila]

People need to stop thinking that all women are the same.
Some women are strong, intelligent and capable of whatever they set their minds to. Some women are weak, dependent and don't have what it takes to work for what they want. Each has different strengths and talents. Whether they put those strengths and talents to good use or not is up to them.
It's ridiculous to put them all in the same category.
I am against promoting women in the workplace, in politics or anywhere else. What good will they be anywhere if they are given the jobs because they are women? If women want to enter and succeed in the workplace, politics or anywhere else they can do so on their own merit and incentive and many of them do.

I agree 100% with you on this.

I've disliked lowering the bar to allow for those incapable. We all have our strengths and our weakness and the genitalia do not decide which or what.

Women have come a long way after the scientific consensus that they would never be able to learn to read and write.

at one time men believed that if women were educated that our wombs would shrink and we'd not be able to reproduce.

Cause that's how intelligent they were at that time. We have come along way. I've worked with both male and female physicists. I've worked with both men and women engineers. There is no differentiating them based on intelligence and ability. The only difference was genitalia. oh, and we had one theoretical physicist change from male to female during her employment. that's equality.

 

[petros]

That was a scientific consensus. It was fact.

I'm glad men and women work together in technical fields. It gives two perspectives.

 

[Bar Sinister]

By your definition we will be equal when 50% of construction is done by women. That was a criteria you chose. I'll treat you as a equal the day that happens

No that is your definition. My definition is that women will be equal when idiots like you stop placing impediments in their way.

By the way - most dangerous occupation - try childbirth - it has been killing women for hundreds of thousands of year.

 

[tay]

No that is your definition. My definition is that women will be equal when idiots like you stop placing impediments in their way.

By the way - most dangerous occupation - try childbirth - it has been killing women for hundreds of thousands of year.

I've always thought that 'Birthdays' shouldn't be about the person who's birthday it is, but a celebration of the Mother who gave birth.........

 

[Mokkajava]

People need to stop thinking that all women are the same.
Some women are strong, intelligent and capable of whatever they set their minds to. Some women are weak, dependent and don't have what it takes to work for what they want. Each has different strengths and talents. Whether they put those strengths and talents to good use or not is up to them.
It's ridiculous to put them all in the same category.
I am against promoting women in the workplace, in politics or anywhere else. What good will they be anywhere if they are given the jobs because they are women? If women want to enter and succeed in the workplace, politics or anywhere else they can do so on their own merit and incentive and many of them do.

The same can be said for men...some are weak, dependant, and don't have the strength to work for what they want...

The problem is when those types get promoted over the strong capable women because of the old boys club.. .

It still happens.. don't kid yourself.