Why Feminism Has Become Toxic

[Mowich]

I know it seems a bit taboo to mention this, but the argument towards female equality always seems to go back to how great men have had it for centuries and how men have oppressed women for so long.

Some argue that it's payback time and that all men owe them something despite most of their examples existing far in the past by generations long ago, or specifically, has had nothing to do with their own direct lives and were things they didn't suffer. They're part of the gender and because of that, they're owed compensation like being hired over a man due to filling a male/female quota despite the male possibly being more qualified for the job.

Then you have the argument that they aren't getting paid as much as their male counterparts... But how true is that really? Are they actually good at their job? Do they do their job as good as the next person? Do they put in the same hours? How reliable are they and how many sick days do they take off??

This of course applies to men as well.... If this guy is just putting in what he needs to for his job and doesn't actually strive to help out more vs. the lady over there who does over time and produces better work, then if I was the employer, she would get the raise over the other guy.... But if it was the other way around and the guy was doing the better job, he'd get the raise. But then if she starts b*tching and complaining about her not getting the raise because she's female, we can easily see what kind of slippery slope that turns out to be.

I get pressured to give it to her instead so I don't come out as discriminating against females, the guy who was doing the better job gets p*ssed off that his efforts went unnoticed while the slacker got a raise due to playing the gender card, and then they leave to work somewhere else that would better recognise their work, and I'm stuck paying more for someone who does a sh*tier job.

All these centuries that have gone by about how men have had it good while women were oppressed..... If men and women were really equal, Then why did they let themselves be so oppressed? Why didn't it go the other way? Why didn't women oppress men early on?

All things being equal, history could have gone the other way, but it didn't. Was it because men are stronger and women are weaker? I doubt it because even in the Viking era, women fought along side men. Men used strength and if the woman lacked strength they had their speed and agility.

Regardless the past is the past and the men today who try to treat everyone equal don't deserve punishment or inequality simply because others in the past did wrong things.

That's like me going to jail for a crime my great grandfather did.

Equality exists... It just needs to be properly enforced. For those who discriminate they should be properly punished. Continual fighting and villainizing men to get more out of the situation is just BS.

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[Dexter Sinister]

Men never did anything to women. If you have a fight to pick it's with nature. We naturally evolved the way we did out of the basic need to be as productive as possible at reproducing, and somehow that ended up with females looking after that very important aspect while men had to deal with the other tasks.

We're not living in tribal hunter-gatherer groups on the African savanna anymore. Biology is not destiny and if you think men never did anything to women you are fundamentally not paying attention. As a first step, just have a look at the power structures in the major monotheisms, and how their scriptures speak of women.

 

[Angstrom]

We're not living in tribal hunter-gatherer groups on the African savanna anymore. Biology is not destiny and if you think men never did anything to women you are fundamentally not paying attention. As a first step, just have a look at the power structures in the major monotheisms, and how their scriptures speak of women.

We have not even started to scratch the surface of not living in tribal hunter-gathering groups. The idea that we are much evolved from it is a clear indication you have absolutely no idea, The changes we have made are like adding two drops to an ocean and saying the ocean is no longer the ocean. Imo

But progress is a slow process. Has progress happened? Sure. But not as much as you seem to pretend for yourself.

Genetically nothing has changed. We have played with people's social programming. That's fuk all

Playing with social programming will likely be more destructive then we first anticipated. Likely resulting with some very confused and lost kids that struggle to understand why their genetic instinct go against their social programming.

That has already started showing up.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Women have at this point reached equality. From now going forward, my opinion is that any more demands from feminist by the power of protest will be met with a equal counter reaction of contempt by men.

And each protest will only help grow animosity between the sexes.

I certainly am considering using my vote power to choose a candidate that is the less pro feminist as possible.



Men never did anything to women. If you have a fight to pick it's with nature. We naturally evolved the way we did out of the basic need to be as productive as possible at reproducing, and somehow that ended up with females looking after that very important aspect while men had to deal with the other tasks.

Women have now reached equality? I think you better check the number of women who are CEOs and the number who are in senior positions in government. Until they are closer to equal women still have a way to go.

As for nature, the structure of modern society has long made that fact obsolete. At one time larger males routinely killed smaller males, but we don't do that any more. However, some still seem to think women are fair game.

 

[Angstrom]

Women have now reached equality? I think you better check the number of women who are CEOs and the number who are in senior positions in government. Until they are closer to equal women still have a way to go.

As for nature, the structure of modern society has long made that fact obsolete. At one time larger males routinely killed smaller males, but we don't do that any more. However, some still seem to think women are fair game.

And then what??? Society won't be equal until women can complete in the olympiques against men and win?
Large males still routinely socially dominate smaller males for the same reason they did millions of years ago. Just because we express those instincts in sports and game rather then brutal mortal combat, hardly is a proof that everything has changed.

Like I've said you're trying to argue adding two drops to a ocean means it's not a ocean anymore.

The equality you are trying to reach is as realistic as asking women to win gold medals against men at the Olympic.
Women have the same rights as men. You are allowed all the rights men have.

To achieve the equality you are aiming for, would require genetic changes. It's more complex then you can understand.

Equality can't be measured by a percentage of how many women CEO or how many women construction workers compared to men construction workers. Only a retard would measure equality in this fashion.

Equality is measured by basic rights.

Do women have all the basic rights like men??

Yes they do. Equality has been reached. Case and point.

 

[mentalfloss]

Social justice will inevitably evolve from equality to equal opportunity.

Not every woman is as physically capable as every man to work on the oil patch (or vice versa), but both would be given equal opportunity to apply.

 

[Angstrom]

You are the exact toxic this thread try's to explain that we can witness in feminism.

 

[Bar Sinister]

And then what??? Society won't be equal until women can complete in the olympiques against men and win?
Large males still routinely socially dominate smaller males for the same reason they did millions of years ago. Just because we express those instincts in sports and game rather then brutal mortal combat, hardly is a proof that everything has changed.

Like I've said you're trying to argue adding two drops to a ocean means it's not a ocean anymore.

The equality you are trying to reach is as realistic as asking women to win gold medals against men at the Olympic.
Women have the same rights as men. You are allowed all the rights men have.

To achieve the equality you are aiming for, would require genetic changes. It's more complex then you can understand.

Equality can't be measured by a percentage of how many women CEO or how many women construction workers compared to men construction workers. Only a retard would measure equality in this fashion.

Equality is measured by basic rights.

Do women have all the basic rights like men??

Yes they do. Equality has been reached. Case and point.

I'm afraid you are overlooking the most important aspect of humanity in the modern world and that is that physical strength doesn't matter; intelligence matters, and women have equal intelligence to men - or in your case greatly superior intelligence.

 

[Angstrom]

I'm afraid you are overlooking the most important aspect of humanity in the modern world and that is that physical strength doesn't matter; intelligence matters, and women have equal intelligence to men - or in your case greatly superior intelligence.

You obviously live in a imaginary world where you can suck at what you do all you're life and have zero consequences for your shortcomings.

All of this society's infrastructure is built by strength & intelligence. It's no wonder we have no women in construction. Most can't handle it. Women can be equals to me the day I see them get off their lazy a$$'s and comme work where if you're not the best you're sitting at home on unemployment.

Until women share 50% of the work load of building this society's infrastructure then I can't consider you a equal.

And that is under your own definition of equality.

What women want is to cherry pick all the nicest jobs for themselves by calling the sexist card while leaving all the hard jobs to the men. It's hard to respect that.

 

[Cannuck]

All of this society's infrastructure is built by strength & intelligence.

No it's not.

It's no wonder we have no women in construction. Most can't handle it.

We do have women in construction. You may not know this but they're generally the ones with the bumps on their shirts.

Women can be equals to me the day I see them get off their lazy a$$'s and comme work where if you're not the best you're sitting at home on unemployment.

Construction job are entry level. They're a dime a dozen.

Until women share 50% of the work load of building this society's infrastructure then I can't consider you a equal.

Sound like you have a seriously inflated sense of self.

 

[Angstrom]

No it's not.



We do have women in construction. You may not know this but they're generally the ones with the bumps on their shirts.



Construction job are entry level. They're a dime a dozen.



Sound like you have a seriously inflated sense of self.

Go play with you're cats

 

[lone wolf]

 

[Cannuck]

Go play with you're cats

I'm sorry for embarrassing you but seriously, nobody is impressed with your macho shtyehead bull**** or your construction job. The neighbour's moron kid has a grade 10 education and a construction job. Nobody is impressed

 

[Angstrom]

I see women working in the office. I produce more value for this society from the equity I build then the value most women produce in a year yet they want to be paid equally too me :laughing3:

 

[Mowich]

Social justice will inevitably evolve from equality to equal opportunity.

Not every woman is as physically capable as every man to work on the oil patch (or vice versa), but both would be given equal opportunity to apply.

Appears to me that they are already able to do so - don't see a single thing here that would prevent them from applying for a job.

There are a few prerequisites if you want a field job in the oil patch:

• You must be in reasonably good physical condition, and be able to lift at least 50 lbs. regularly.
• For most positions, you must have a valid driver's license.
• You must have suitable clothing for extended outdoor work and in most cases, hard toed safety boots.
• You should not have any medical condition which would make it unsafe for you to operate machinery.
• You don't need to live in the city where your employer is located, but in most cases you will have to provide your own transportation to and from your home from the employer's location (point-of-hire). If you live a long way from any areas with oil and gas activity, you will have a very difficult time finding an entry level job in this industry.
• You must be willing and able to work hard for long hours. This industry is all about production, and if you don't produce, you're not an asset to the company.
• You must be drug-free. Most companies conduct pre-employment drug screenings and random testing of employees. If your test show signs of illegal drugs in your system, you will not be hired.

http://oilfieldworkers.com/oilfieldintro.php

 

[Twila]

I see women working in the office. I produce more value for this society from the equity I build them the value most women produce in a year yet the want to be paid equally too me :laughing3:

Nothing you've said above can be quantified.

Basically, you've expressed an opinion. Not facts. I like the colour blue. Therefore I am better then you.

 

[Angstrom]

Appears to me that they are already able to do so - don't see a single thing here that would prevent them from applying for a job.

There are a few prerequisites if you want a field job in the oil patch:

• You must be in reasonably good physical condition, and be able to lift at least 50 lbs. regularly.
• For most positions, you must have a valid driver's license.
• You must have suitable clothing for extended outdoor work and in most cases, hard toed safety boots.
• You should not have any medical condition which would make it unsafe for you to operate machinery.
• You don't need to live in the city where your employer is located, but in most cases you will have to provide your own transportation to and from your home from the employer's location (point-of-hire). If you live a long way from any areas with oil and gas activity, you will have a very difficult time finding an entry level job in this industry.
• You must be willing and able to work hard for long hours. This industry is all about production, and if you don't produce, you're not an asset to the company.
• You must be drug-free. Most companies conduct pre-employment drug screenings and random testing of employees. If your test show signs of illegal drugs in your system, you will not be hired.

http://oilfieldworkers.com/oilfieldintro.php

Don't waste you're time women only want the easiest jobs and play the sexist card to try and get paid the same as the people who do the hard jobs.

And that's why feminism is toxic

They can have equal pay when they do equal value work. But all they want is the CEO jobs

Nothing you've said above can be quantified.

Basically, you've expressed an opinion. Not facts. I like the colour blue. Therefore I am better then you.

Everyone appreciate' honesty until you're honest with them

I just produced a space in a few weeks that earns 100 000$ a month rent. I'm not sure how much the store makes in sells but I'm sure that blows all the value you have produced for society in you're lifetime. And I built that in a few weeks

And that's a fact.

 

[Twila]

Everyone appreciate' honesty until you're honest with them

I just produced a space in a few weeks that earns 100 000$ a month rent. I'm not sure how much the store makes in sells but I'm sure that blows all the value you have produced for society in you're lifetime. And I built that in a few weeks

And that's a fact.

You don't know what I do for a living so how can that be a fact?

hell, you expect me to take your word for it...I'm not stupid. You've proven nothing except that you expect your word to mean something to me. It doesn't. That's a fact.

Assumptions will always make any argument you have, very weak. You don't want to appear weak do you?

 

[Angstrom]

You don't know what I do for a living so how can that be a fact?

hell, you expect me to take your word for it...I'm not stupid. You've proven nothing except that you expect your word to mean something to me. It doesn't. That's a fact.

Assumptions will always make any argument you have, very weak. You don't want to appear weak do you?

How much real value do you produce in one day?

When you can produce billions of dollars of equity value every year like men do every day, I'll consider treating you as a equal.

 

[Cannuck]

I see women working in the office. I produce more value for this society from the equity I build then the value most women produce in a year yet they want to be paid equally too me :laughing3:

You keep telling yourself that champ.