Carbon pricing pushes gas prices higher in Ontario, Alberta

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Scooby said:
Could you please cite your source for definition of nitrogen and oxygen qualifying as greenhouse gasses?
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https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/greenhousegases/whichgases.html

Interestingly enough, water is deemed a ghg, I notice that the climate science community has little to say about sequestering this highly dangerous ghg.

Scooby said:
There defiantly are naturally occurring sources of CO2, but these have been absorbed by the oceans and plant life at a sustainable level for a very long time.
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can you please quote your source that proves this statement

Scooby said:
The irony is profound in the simple fact that nearly all scientists agree on the climate theory, and the dissenting voices are for the most part from the same group that subscribes to ideas based on intuition instead of evidence.
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What is a climate scientist and can you identify which universities offer degrees (doctorates preferably) in climate science?

On the evidence side of things, can you please reference one single, solitary model that has successfully operated in explaining the past let alone predicts climate trends?
 
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captain morgan said:
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/greenhousegases/whichgases.html

Interestingly enough, water is deemed a ghg, I notice that the climate science community has little to say about sequestering this highly dangerous ghg.



can you please quote your source that proves this statement



What is a climate scientist and can you identify which universities offer degrees (doctorates preferably) in climate science?

On the evidence side of things, can you please reference one single, solitary model that has successfully operated in explaining the past let alone predicts climate trends?
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Lol, same place you gave for O2 and Nitrogen https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/greenhousegases/sourcesandsinks.html

I just read a little further. As far a concern about water vapour, it should be linked to increasing evaporation rates due to higher temperatures. This is known as a feedback loop. There is concern about methane released from arctic permafrost in the same action. Warming by GHG's creating more GHG's.
Let's say we agree to disagree, mostly because you are dug in so hard on this, no debate will convince you.
 
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fair enough.

How about the universities that offer degrees in climate science?

Some proven models that can explain the past and offer some idea as to the future?

... If you are going to make blanket statements about the science and insinuations of consensus, then it's only reasonable for me to ask the follow up questions that I asked.
 
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Great... Looking forward to the models.

In the meantime, take a read of this

Universities Urged to Offer Climate Change Degrees | Top Universities

Written in 2011, so it's fair to say that this field of study (a degree specifically in Climate Science) is in it's infancy.

That said, here's an interesting breakdown of how some view the interacting components of 'climate science'

our current understanding of climate change and its implications. Atmospheric and Physical Sciences: Climatology, Meteorology, Atmospheric dynamics, Atmospheric physics, Atmospheric chemistry, Solar physics, Historical climatology Earth Sciences: Geophysics, Geochemistry, Geology, Soil Science, Oceanography, Glaciology, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoenvironmental reconstruction Biological Sciences: Ecology, Synthetic biology, Biochemistry, Global change biology, Biogeography, Ecophysiology, Ecological genetics Mathematics, Statistics and Computational analysis: Applied mathematics, Mathematical modelling, Computer science, Numerical modelling, Bayesian inference, Mathematical statistics, Time series analysis

Pretty comprehensive. That said, I have to really ask what is the value of a degree in 'Climate Science'?
 
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PoliticalNick said:
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It's seemed to work quite well for one group. perhaps they don't like competition.


Trillionaire Rothschild Warns His Own Central Banking System Is Failing and Buys Gold
 
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That's why I'm buying gold coins when I can afford them. I've been hearing this for a couple of years now.
 
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PoliticalNick said:
I had to run to the store last night to get peppers for the stir-fry. Package of 3 was $6.99 compared to $4.99 last week. Gallon of milk used to be $4.68 was $5.98. Don't tell me my numbers are off. If anything those economists, the ones with degrees like me and not paid by the NDP, might be a little light at $4k-$5k.


On another note just read a Toronto Sun article of a plant in Ont getting abpower bill for $13k with a green levy of $107k attached. Won't take long for that to destroy business and industry and the population of the province. 800% of the usage as a "global adjustment fee" to subsidize wind and solar.

I'm really starting to think armed revolution is what will be needed to end this blatant disregard for the citizens and our right to live free from tyranny.
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Well, how can I argue with such anecdotal evidence? Oh, perhaps I can use some of my own. On my last trip to the grocery store peanut butter was marked down to $3.00 from its normal $5:00 and several other items were on sale as well. I guess that means, using my experience, that the carbon tax has actually made things cheaper.

pgs said:
Most of the analysis I have read puts the cost to the average family in the 4 to 5 thousand range as political nick states . As every thing government does always cost's more than they promise I think it is safe to use Nick's figures .
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Then why don't you post a link to those analyses? I'd like evidence, not dogmatic assertion.
 
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Bar Sinister said:
Well, how can I argue with such anecdotal evidence? Oh, perhaps I can use some of my own. On my last trip to the grocery store peanut butter was marked down to $3.00 from its normal $5:00 and several other items were on sale as well. I guess that means, using my experience, that the carbon tax has actually made things cheaper.



Then why don't you post a link to those analyses? I'd like evidence, not dogmatic assertion.
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I don't do links > Been on these boards since 2008 and have not posted one link .If you want links see mentalfloss Tay or Locustus .
 
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Bar Sinister said:
Well, how can I argue with such anecdotal evidence? Oh, perhaps I can use some of my own. On my last trip to the grocery store peanut butter was marked down to $3.00 from its normal $5:00 and several other items were on sale as well. I guess that means, using my experience, that the carbon tax has actually made things cheaper.



Then why don't you post a link to those analyses? I'd like evidence, not dogmatic assertion.
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Not going to argue with a fool like you. If logic and common sense are so foreign to you it isn't worth my time. You will find out for yourself quick enough.
 
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taxslave said:
Proving this is not about saving the earth but just a wealth redistribution scam.



No he didn't. He is arguing with a gullible fool that thinks anyone making less than $980000 get a rebate.
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I actually think his post regarding that was a typo and he meant $95,000 which is where the cut off is....well below my $240,000.

On the other hand B.S and MF seem to believe every business is going to simply absorb the tax and not pass it on to the consumer. Such silly people. Maybe I can convince them to pay everything over the estimated $400/yr for me since it doesn't exist
 
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