Canadian Gas Prices Spike and Experts Warn They Will Go Higher

petros

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Gas prices were going up anyway, the opec crowd are finished their temper tantrum
higher prices are a good thing in Canada as we export a lot of oil and the increase will
bring jobs back. I just wish we refined most of it and charged the rest of the world
what it is worth as a finished product

Why hasn't our dollar risen along with tantrum ending oil prices?
 

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Fine for you city slickers. Where we live there is no public transit and even if there was it would not get me to work from where I live. Or to a doctor for that matter.

So why not a carbon tax that applies to urban municipalities only? It would promote more efficient use of urban transportation infrastructure.

Now of course if this tax should apply only to cities, then that money should also be reinvested into cities. Maybe one solution would be to allow municipal governments to introduce a carbon tax instead of federal or provincial ones. urban needs aren't the same as rural ones.

We deal with traffic, congestion, pollution, etc.
 

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Well, what tax would you propose? Income tax? general value-added tax? Something else? How do they benefit you? Unless you're an anarchist, then you must support some source of government revenue? What source do you propose?

Hong Kong has a 100% carbon tax, and people seem to be okay with it. Where's the problem?
 

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It encourages more efficient use of the city's infrastructure and reduces pollution and traffic. You tell me, what is the long-term benefit of eliminating all sources of government revenue? Because that is what you seem to be proposing.

I'd like to see a reduction in income taxes and general value-added taxes myself. Though I don't oppose a general wealth tax, I wouldn't mind seeing taxes specifically on property declining too. But I do not support anarchy myself and recognize that government must access revenue of some kind.

A carbon tax is more user-pay.
 

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It works in tandem with the traffic lights slowing down traffic by making the reds longer and time them so you never get through more than two lights at a time.
 

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It works in tandem with the traffic lights slowing down traffic by making the reds longer and time them so you never get through more than two lights at a time.

In urban areas, more one-way roads and roundabouts could help combat congestion too.
 

petros

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It encourages more efficient use of the city's infrastructure and reduces pollution and traffic. You tell me, what is the long-term benefit of eliminating all sources of government revenue? Because that is what you seem to be proposing.

I'd like to see a reduction in income taxes and general value-added taxes myself. Though I don't oppose a general wealth tax, I wouldn't mind seeing taxes specifically on property declining too. But I do not support anarchy myself and recognize that government must access revenue of some kind.

A carbon tax is more user-pay.

No it doesn't. Show me real sh-t not hypotheticals of where my 6 cents a litre goes and how I benefit.
 

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Overhead and underground walking and cycling paths could help alleviate congestion by taking pedestrians and cyclists off the roads too.
 

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No it doesn't. Show me real sh-t not hypotheticals of where my 6 cents a litre goes and how I benefit.

It's common sense. Are you telling me that the cost of gas will have no impact on your consumption habits? If so, then you are not very good with family finances are you.
 

petros

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It's common sense. Are you telling me that the cost of gas will have no impact on your consumption habits? If so, then you are not very good with family finances are you.
The price of gas doesn't move work or shops any closer.

I'm saying, why not expand the taxing powers of municipalities?

They already are. 6 cents a f-cking litre. What are the benefits for me?
 

Machjo

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In the long term, it does. It encourages people to move closer to work and businesses to move closer to their workers. Is that not a good thing?
 

petros

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No it doesn't encourage f-ck all.

How does moving from my $980K house to a $1.2M house closer to work save me money?
 

Machjo

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The price of gas doesn't move work or shops any closer.



They already are. 6 cents a f-cking litre. What are the benefits for me?

No tax benefits anyone by definition, since by definition, a tax involves taking money from us. The question is, what revenue (whether a tax, a fine, or a fee) would we rather pay unless we support anarchy and no government at all?

No it doesn't encourage f-ck all.

How does moving from my $980K house to a $1.2M house closer to work save me money?

This now puts pressure on you to see if you can work from a home office, or on your company to move closer to its workers, etc. Obviously.