Having an 'incident' someplace between point 'A' and 'B' when it is supposed to be an 'incident free' journey. How many people go out ant try to get an impaired?? I'm guessing '0'.
New Ontario Impaired Laws are another cash grab for the Insurance Folks
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Would you drive immediately after picking up an Rx of and popping of Tylenol 3?
What is the first step in being judged "impaired"?
What is the first step in being judged "impaired"?
Blowing a predetermined level of alcohol. It used to be 0.08, but now it differs according to the driver and the jurisdiction. For new drivers in some locations it is zero, for some situations 0.05. To be perfectly safe (if that's possible) don't drink any spirits.
Well let me be upfront right from the start so people know where I stand.
My brother was killed by a drunk driver many decades ago. Ten or eleven
years ago my grandson then eight years old was struck in a playground in
a crosswalk. He was not even in the walk with both feet one was still on
the sidewalk. Hit by a guy who had his own business, had a suspended
license, was drunk with several drunk driving offenses. and being in a
province with no government insurance programs it was a bitch to get anything,
This wasn't a kid this was a so called grown up. All the laws in the world save
going to jail wouldn't keep him off the road.
Here is my idea for what should be done.
1 first offense a two thousand dollar fine, attendance at an education program
completion of the course and a clean record for two years you get half the fine back.
2 second offense a five thousand dollar fine you get nothing back and a suspended license
for five years. If caught driving jail time if involved in an accident the insurance company
standing good for the payout can come after you forever until they get their money NO
Bankruptcy allowed
3 Third offense jail time ten thousand dollar fine for each offense thereafter a lifetime ban
and the car is taken regardless of who the owner is Jail time would be a minimum of five
years no time for good behavior
Make the offense about the corrective behavior of the person not punish everyone in society
with a system that has no anchor law of prosecution,
I hear some say oh so and so has to get to work, well work is a privilege not a right, the persons
on the highway have to work too and if you abuse the privilege of driving then you should pay the
price I have long been of the opinion if you lose your license you should not have it even to drive
to work
My brother was killed by a drunk driver many decades ago. Ten or eleven
years ago my grandson then eight years old was struck in a playground in
a crosswalk. He was not even in the walk with both feet one was still on
the sidewalk. Hit by a guy who had his own business, had a suspended
license, was drunk with several drunk driving offenses. and being in a
province with no government insurance programs it was a bitch to get anything,
This wasn't a kid this was a so called grown up. All the laws in the world save
going to jail wouldn't keep him off the road.
Here is my idea for what should be done.
1 first offense a two thousand dollar fine, attendance at an education program
completion of the course and a clean record for two years you get half the fine back.
2 second offense a five thousand dollar fine you get nothing back and a suspended license
for five years. If caught driving jail time if involved in an accident the insurance company
standing good for the payout can come after you forever until they get their money NO
Bankruptcy allowed
3 Third offense jail time ten thousand dollar fine for each offense thereafter a lifetime ban
and the car is taken regardless of who the owner is Jail time would be a minimum of five
years no time for good behavior
Make the offense about the corrective behavior of the person not punish everyone in society
with a system that has no anchor law of prosecution,
I hear some say oh so and so has to get to work, well work is a privilege not a right, the persons
on the highway have to work too and if you abuse the privilege of driving then you should pay the
price I have long been of the opinion if you lose your license you should not have it even to drive
to work
It's all in how you interact with the cop, then the the roadside dance, then you blow a generalized device that goes by tenths. If you blow 0.5 on generalized you are given an option. Accept the three days with possible empoundment or blow into a second device that measures to 100ths and pushing things from Provincial to CC level.
You can be well over the criminal code level of 0.08 but if you pass the roadside dance you are golden. You won't be asked to blow the 10ths device or 100ths device.
I think it has gotten better. A professional drunk like an AB rural resident can prove competent and go home. Prior to recent Provincial tinkering it was cut and dry and purly numbers based.
I think publicly embarrassing a cop (who in his/her right mind would want to do that, except an A$$hole) should carry the same penalty as contempt of court. Any decent person knows you deal with contentious matters privately.
You and I know that!
I would guess the vast majority of impaired cases involve lack of sleep and distracted by things such as worry. Of course cell phones play a big role in this too.
You got that right!
Can't wait to be a "fly on the wall" What someone thinks he has to do is beside the point- does he give a f**k about someone else having to die? When you deliberately do something stupid, you know what you stand to lose and if you don't you'll find out in a hurry.
Fines don't do it, that is why it became an indictable offense under the Criminal Code of Canada.
Indeed. Be prepared for a lot of slow speed chases.......
I recall, vaguely, driving between Qualicum Beach and Nanaimo and being waived over to a "what I did not know was a spot check" and driving right on through.
The situation was we had been bowling and the pot had taken it's toll. We always smoked before going bowling. The objective was if one forgets to push the 'pin change button' there was some sort of points deduction. It eventually degraded into the last frames where no one would remember to push the button and we would all stare at the pins.
Anyways I was driving as we returned home and I came upon the police waving cars off and around a vacant building which had another driveway to exit making it a good spot for the SPOT check because if people were sober they could just drive out, after being checked.
Being from a small town I had never heard of or been through a spot check. I had no idea why they were waving me off the road (it was daylight and I couldn't see any reason) so I followed their directions and continued driving around the building and back onto the road.
Someone in the car said "that was a spot check you were supposed to stop"! I looked in the mirror and the cops were standing there watching us leave but they never chased us. Maybe there was only 2 cops working that stop and that's why they didn't.
My experience overall is pot smokers, myself included drive very slow without realizing it but it is still something I would not do today.
One story that made me snicker was around 5-6 years ago a car was pulled over for going 30 on the 401 near Kingston. Turns out there was 50 lbs of pot in the car. I immediately knew why they were going 30......
AAA Foundation study reveals the dangers of getting less than seven hours of sleep
"You cannot miss sleep and still expect to be able to safely function behind the wheel," "Our new research shows that a driver who has slept for less than five hours has a crash risk comparable to someone driving drunk."
Acute Sleep Deprivation and Risk of Motor Vehicle Crash Involvement,
The AAA Foundation report found that in a 24-hour period, crash risk for sleep-deprived drivers increased steadily when compared to drivers who slept the recommended seven hours or more:
Six to seven hours of sleep: 1.3 times the crash risk
Five to six hours of sleep: 1.9 times the crash risk
Four to five hours of sleep: 4.3 times the crash risk
Less than four hours of sleep: 11.5 times the crash risk
https://westerncentralny.aaa.com/news-room/releases/2016-12/missing-1-2-hours-sleep-doubles-crash-risk