Catholic Church up to their old tricks again

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There's a surprise.
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Do you have a headline where the RCC did a mass cleansing of the Clergy?? If not then I assume it would be the abuses they are most famous for tormenting families with such programs as the residential Schools.


Type out the headline of the article in a post and we should be able to find a similar page and take it from there.
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I guess we can mark this down as another one of your lies that you can't back up.
What?welcoming you back?you don't believe my welcome is sincere?

Do you have a headline where the RCC did a mass cleansing of the Clergy?? If not then I assume it would be the abuses they are most famous for tormenting families with such programs as the residential Schools.


Type out the headline of the article in a post and we should be able to find a similar page and take it from there.
We are discussing the Catholic church's response to the right to die with dignity rights
 

gerryh

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The Catholic Church thinks they are more powerful then the Charter of rights.
Coursing at its finest

Walter defend your church

Welcome back


Welcome back


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What?welcoming you back?you don't believe my welcome is sincere?


We are discussing the Catholic church's response to the right to die with dignity rights

Always off topic,let's keep the conversation open

Cranky


These are your posts in this thread including your original post when you started the thread. SO, you show me where you said the thread was about the Catholic Church's position on assisted suicide.
 

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You forgot to say please!
I sort of screwed up on those posts,something happened the format should not look like this,
Just google it Vern

Keep the word suicide out of the definition,this is where the church causes themselves torment by the word suicide.
In reality assisted dying has been going on for some time,the graphics have not been there,now they are,
Causing division is nothing new to the church
 

gerryh

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You forgot to say please!
I sort of screwed up on those posts,something happened the format should not look like this,
Just google it Vern

Keep the word suicide out of the definition,this is where the church causes themselves torment by the word suicide.
In reality assisted dying has been going on for some time,the graphics have not been there,now they are,
Causing division is nothing new to the church


So, what exactly is your problem with the Church on this?
 

Bar Sinister

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The Charter of Rights and Freedoms has been a disaster.. and has fomented a judicial tyranny in this country.. by an arrogant and completely unaccountable SCOC.. which has declared itself to be a law unto itself.

The Catholic Church, providing you discern exactly what it's message is through its opaque political bureacracy and mixed messages, and by way of its dogmas on faith, liberty and morals..in fact offers the only path to true freedom.. the Way, the Truth and the Life.

That is something that Justin Trudeau, our drooling dolt of a PM and the arch 'post' Catholic politician has nary an inkling of understanding.

Yep, enshrining human rights is always a mistake. It allows idiots like you to make comments like the one above. Too bad you were not alive in the 16th century. You could have been a happy member of the Inquisition.
 

Curious Cdn

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Yep, enshrining human rights is always a mistake. It allows idiots like you to make comments like the one above. Too bad you were not alive in the 16th century. You could have been a happy member of the Inquisition.

Hmmm ... shall we make a list of the other genocides carried out by official Catholicism?


Why are there no Protestants in France, anyway?
 

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Hmmm ... shall we make a list of the other genocides carried out by official Catholicism?


Why are there no Protestants in France, anyway?

Actually, there are protestants in France. Littke-known fact, the official religions of Alsace-Misel in France are Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Lutheranism, and Calvinism.

From Wikipedia:

France: The local law in Alsace-Moselle accords official status to four religions in this specific region of France: Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Lutheranism and Calvinism. The law is a remnant of the Napoleonic Concordat of 1801, which was abrogated in the rest of France by the law of 1905 on the separation of church and state. However, at the time, Alsace-Moselle had been annexed by Germany. The Concordat therefore remained in force in these areas, and it was not abrogated when France regained control of the region in 1918. The Concordat recognises four religious traditions in Alsace-Moselle: the Jewish religion and three branches of Christianity: Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed. Therefore, the separation of church and state, part of the French concept of Laïcité, does not apply in this region.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
 

Curious Cdn

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Actually, there are protestants in France. Littke-known fact, the official religions of Alsace-Misel in France are Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Lutheranism, and Calvinism.

From Wikipedia:

France: The local law in Alsace-Moselle accords official status to four religions in this specific region of France: Judaism, Roman Catholicism, Lutheranism and Calvinism. The law is a remnant of the Napoleonic Concordat of 1801, which was abrogated in the rest of France by the law of 1905 on the separation of church and state. However, at the time, Alsace-Moselle had been annexed by Germany. The Concordat therefore remained in force in these areas, and it was not abrogated when France regained control of the region in 1918. The Concordat recognises four religious traditions in Alsace-Moselle: the Jewish religion and three branches of Christianity: Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed. Therefore, the separation of church and state, part of the French concept of Laïcité, does not apply in this region.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

A few of them survived. My own Huegenot ancestors were forced out of France to save their lives. My aunt was decended from the lone Huegenot survivor of a whole massacred village.

It is one of the world's conveniently forgotton genocides.

I have four groups of refugees in my immigrant background and two of them were escaping destruction at the hands of the Catholic church.
 

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A few of them survived. My own Huegenot ancestors were forced out of France to save their lives. My aunt was decended from the lone Huegenot survivor of a whoke massacred village.

It is one of the world's conveniently forgotton genocides.

And at a great loss to French literature. Had it not been for the oppression of the French protestants, the Bible Martin of 1744 might have become entrenched in the French language like Luther's Bible in German or the KJV in English and so could have significantly enriched French literature. I have a copy of that Bible on my phone and read it regularly for its literary qualities. I don't profess the Christian Faith myself, but still enjoy the elegant use of the French language.

Catholics have no truly classic Bible other than the Vulgate, and though nothing stops them from creating one now, they tend to prefer pedantically scholarly translations over eloquent literary ones. The Bible Martin is little known among even French protestants today unfortunately.

To be clear, French still has its literary merits. I'm just saying that the oppression if the Huguenots certainly impoverished it none the less.
 

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The separate school system is still in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and very much applicable to Ontario today, so no it's not just some historical situation. It's current. These schools are publicly funded and have already been criticized by the UN High Commission for Human Rights on the grounds that they violate the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights since they discriminate on the basis of religion. The separate schools are Catholic or Protestant only, Jews and others need not apply.



That's absolutely false. As long as you're willing to pay the school taxes of the board of your choice be it Catholic or Protestant, your child can attend. You do not have to be a Catholic to attend a Catholic school.


I had protestant friends in my Catholic school and there was even had a protestant teacher teaching in our school as well. Often times parents preferred to send their kids to a Catholic School because they were simply better than the protestant option available.


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That's absolutely false. As long as you're willing to pay the school taxes of the board of your choice be it Catholic or Protestant, your child can attend. You do not have to be a Catholic to attend a Catholic school.


I had protestant friends in my Catholic school and there was even had a protestant teacher teaching in our school as well. Often times parents preferred to send their kids to a Catholic School because they were simply better than the protestant option available.


Dicie

In Ontario, the Province divides the funding according to need, so both public and separate school funding come from common funds. You just get to choose which school board to vote for.

Also, even if a separate school accepts everyone, why would a Jewish father want to send his child to a Catholic school? In fact the UNHCHR criticism was sparked by a formal complaint by a Jewish father in Ontario. The UNHCHR had ruled that either schools of all religions get the same funding or none. The Greens support none, the OC's supported all, but the spectre of Muslim schools did the PC's in and losing separate school privileges did the Greens in. The NDP kept mute and the Liberals went in to defend the indefensible and won. The Libs argued that they can't change the Constitution. That Québec got rid of it shows the Libs to have been liars.

Anyway, who cares about Canada's international reputation or equality between Catholics, News or or others in Ontario.
 

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They deported all you self righteous pukes to Canada.

No. The French weren't deporting the Protestants, they were killing them. The Protestants were exiling themselves for refuge, especially to Wallonia, but also other parts of Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the UK, and some from these safe grounds to other parts of the world like North America.
 

gerryh

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No. The French weren't deporting the Protestants, they were killing them. The Protestants were exiling themselves for refuge, especially to Wallonia, but also other parts of Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the UK, and some from these safe grounds to other parts of the world like North America.


and the protestants were killing the Catholics. The Catholics did a better job.
 

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No. The French weren't deporting the Protestants, they were killing them. The Protestants were exiling themselves for refuge, especially to Wallonia, but also other parts of Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, and the UK, and some from these safe grounds to other parts of the world like North America.
Yeah the poor ole protestants being persecuted and looking for refuge. Calvin wanted to help as best he could kind hearted soul that he was. Thank god he gave us his wonderful doctrine so we could all be happy. And let's not forget those brave Puritans who came by boat blessing our wonderful shores. Small pox infected blankets and all. Salt of the friggin earth gawd bless em. Yes thank goodness the protestants found sanctuary at our expense. Hell we're proud to have em.
 

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Yeah the poor ole protestants being persecuted and looking for refuge. Calvin wanted to help as best he could kind hearted soul that he was. Thank god he gave us his wonderful doctrine so we could all be happy. And let's not forget those brave Puritans who came by boat blessing our wonderful shores. Small pox infected blankets and all. Salt of the friggin earth gawd bless em. Yes thank goodness the protestants found sanctuary at our expense. Hell we're proud to have em.

You don't know your history, that is clear.