The 'Supernatural' TV series

[selfsame]

Another point you said: "Demons can force themselves into people's bodies whereas angels need to ask permission."

This is in the series, but it is not correct:
Demons can suggest to people and may have complete control of them, but nothing like enter the man's body!? I don't think so; in the Quran, Satan and the devils may suggest or whisper to man every bad idea and that he should do every bad work.

Angels do not take the body of man: the body of man is the place of his own soul; the soul is a true copy of the man's body, and every soul has its own body different from the bodies of other people.

 

[Corduroy]

So here are some points which are correct and others in the show are wrong:

The show doesn't intend to be correct. The writers have created their own world mythology drawing primarily from Abrahamic source material.

You tell me it's *wrong* but you don't need to convince me. I know it's wrong. It's fictional. The stuff you say the show gets correct, I also believe is wrong, because I don't believe in any of those mythologies.

 

[Murphy]

You're discussing the show with a turnip. I love how he watched two minutes of the show but is expert enough to explain everything.

You have opened the door for him to post more of the Book of Lies, thinking that you need religious education.

 

[selfsame]

Another point, you said: "In Supernatural genies are monsters that feed on human blood."
There is nothing like feeding on human blood.
The genies are gaseous creatures (but their souls are like our souls: ethereal); so the houses of the genies are like them: also gaseous, their food and their stuffs; although we don't know much about them other than what God told us in the Quran, but nothing like feeding on the blood.

Some of the genies are believers and righteous, and others are disbelievers and evil. So not all of them are evil; the evil genies when they die will be the devils.

 

[Corduroy]

You're discussing the show with a turnip.

Are we even discussing the show? I'm just telling him what the show is about and then he's telling me what's right and wrong. I'm not sure what his point is actually. I don't believe any of it is right. It's all fiction.

Another point, you said: "In Supernatural genies are monsters that feed on human blood."
There is nothing like feeding on human blood.
The genies are gaseous creatures (but their souls are like our souls: ethereal); so the houses of the genies are like them: also gaseous, their food and their stuffs; although we don't know much about them other than what God told us in the Quran, but nothing like feeding on the blood.

Some of the genies are believers and righteous, and others are disbelievers and evil. So not all of them are evil; the evil genies when they die will be the devils.

Supernatural sounds more interesting.

 

[Serryah]

No, I am not.
Do you believe in this Supernatural and their symbols? Are you a Satan and genie worshiper?

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I will answer later on, by God's will; but I am leaving now :lol:

It's a bloody TV show, it's not SUPPOSED to be something you believe in as if it's fact.

They take what's called 'liberties' with stories from all over and make a show out of it.

They've done shows on everything, from Native beliefs (Windigo in the first season, and desecration of native land) to Biblical (most common stuff) to having other Gods get together to talk and try to think of how to stop Lucifer (yes, other Gods, Pagan Gods, who were weaker, which to me was BS but that's not my take on Pagan gods).

To take ANY of it as if it's fact, even the stuff that does pull off reality, is just... really, really stupid. Really Selfsame, despite some things in the show being similar to your faith, that doesn't make it real. And people love the show for various reasons, not just because it's got 'monsters' in it.

I don't worship Satan or Genie's. My faith is between me and "God".

 

[Corduroy]

They've done shows on everything, from Native beliefs (Windigo in the first season, and desecration of native land) to Biblical (most common stuff) to having other Gods get together to talk and try to think of how to stop Lucifer (yes, other Gods, Pagan Gods, who were weaker, which to me was BS but that's not my take on Pagan gods).

They really could have done better with the pagan gods. There's so much they could have gotten out of it. Instead the killed off a whole ton of them in season 5.

 

[Murphy]

Are we even discussing the show? I'm just telling him what the show is about and then he's telling me what's right and wrong. I'm not sure what his point is actually. I don't believe any of it is right. It's all fiction.

I think you know that he doesn't have a point. The only glimmer of hope, if you can call it that, is that he is trying to express views without constant quotations.

He thinks you, and everyone else, believes everything that's on Supernatural. He is going to explain it all and save you from the fiery pit. I'm sure he'll be along shortly to carry on your education. :lol:

 

[selfsame]

in Supernatural, Lucifer is an angel that turned on God. He created demons, which are corrupted humans.

Satan (or Azazel : his original name and which they call Lucifer) was with the angels in heaven or in the paradise; he has a high rank among the angels, but then he conceived over-pride, haughtiness and self-conceit therefore, when God commanded the angels to prostrate themselves to Adam, all the angels obeyed God's command with the exception of Azazel who refused and so was driven out of the paradise, and on account of his righteousness in his life in the World, he was given respite till Doomsday that God will not cast him in Hell until then.

God is the Creator, Lucifer cannot create anything; he is the creature created by God like all other creatures.
But Satan or they call him Lucifer suggests to the corrupt humans and will increase their corruption and lead them to complete loss to be cast in Hell in the Next Life.

 

[Murphy]

See? Right on cue.

 

[selfsame]

The show doesn't intend to be correct. The writers have created their own world mythology drawing primarily from Abrahamic source material.

You tell me it's *wrong* but you don't need to convince me. I know it's wrong. It's fictional. The stuff you say the show gets correct, I also believe is wrong, because I don't believe in any of those mythologies.

I agree with you, and I understand; but I intend to explain the correct things by the way of this series mythology.

I think you know that he doesn't have a point. The only glimmer of hope, if you can call it that, is that he is trying to express views without constant quotations.

He thinks you, and everyone else, believes everything that's on Supernatural. He is going to explain it all and save you from the fiery pit. I'm sure he'll be along shortly to carry on your education. :lol:

You are not worthy that I should reply to you.
Are you from Iraq, chalib?

I don't worship Satan or Genie's. My faith is between me and "God".

That is very nice indeed.

 

[Murphy]

Because you think others need an education on demons? Well, you are one yourself, so we'll be able to get the information from the demon's mouth,

You just don't understand that fictional shows are not about religious beliefs that people will copy, worship, or otherwise follow the actors on the show. That said, it never stopped you from quoting the demon Mohammad's Book of Lies.

 

[selfsame]

It's a bloody TV show, it's not SUPPOSED to be something you believe in as if it's fact.

They take what's called 'liberties' with stories from all over and make a show out of it.

They've done shows on everything, from Native beliefs (Windigo in the first season, and desecration of native land) to Biblical (most common stuff) to having other Gods get together to talk and try to think of how to stop Lucifer (yes, other Gods, Pagan Gods, who were weaker, which to me was BS but that's not my take on Pagan gods).

To take ANY of it as if it's fact, even the stuff that does pull off reality, is just... really, really stupid. Really Selfsame, despite some things in the show being similar to your faith, that doesn't make it real. And people love the show for various reasons, not just because it's got 'monsters' in it.

I know all this and I agree with you about all this.

On the other hand, such series is public and a large number of people watched and enjoyed .. it indicates the confusion about such subjects: the spiritual world, the genie, the devil, the angels and the death and the afterlife.

So I took it to explain such subjects by the way of this Supernatural show.

Because you think others need an education on demons? Well, you are one yourself, so we'll be able to get the information from the demon's mouth,

You just don't understand that fictional shows are not about religious beliefs that people will copy, worship, or otherwise follow the actors on the show. That said, it never stopped you from quoting the demon Mohammad's Book of Lies.

WAL !

 

[Murphy]

Here is something 'supernatural'

This is the word Allah, 'god' in Arabic. Look at the shape. It looks like a snake. A serpent. One of Satan's demons. In the olden days, before everyone could read or write, pictures were used to explain things to people. The snake in this picture is Allah. The Supernatural refers to demons, Lucifer (Satan) all the time. Who better to explain the meanings than a demon?

 

[selfsame]

Glory be to God Almighty!

You, Murphy are so foolish.

Anyone wants more knowledge about the Next Life and about the spiritual beings, the best book is Man after Death, by the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/man.pdf
quran-ayat(dot)com

 

[SLM]

This does not belong in "Arts and Entertainment" and therefore has been moved to "Spirituality & Philosophy".

Although frankly I think this is more than a little fringe.........

 

[Murphy]

To SLM: Yes, it is fringe. I don't need to tell you that every post he makes turns into some religious experience. Sadly, he just doesn't understand.
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I merely point out lies. And give you an opportunity to quote, again, from a book that few here will ever bother to read. No converts to be had, demon! It never worked for you when you were a Jehovah's Witness. You cannot change your religion and hope that you will have more success as a Muslim.

Let me do what selfsame does virtually every post. Quote from a book. I promise, it won't be nearly as painful.

Once again, we trip on back to the Old Testament and read this, taken, in part, from Romans 6:23

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

This means that if you live in sin, listen to false prophets (like Mohammad), or follow false gods you will die. No soul will travel to heaven. This is what we see with selfsame. He follows the teaching of the false prophet Mohammad, who encourages killlings, rape, torture and sadness, all in the name of Allah.

This endth the lesson.

I would recommend Al-Hilli's book to anyone who wishes to learn more about the devil and Islam. It is good to know about one's enemies - both mortal and spiritual - to protect oneself.

Or your can just say, eh, demons...I'll just watch Supernatural.

 

[SLM]

 

[Serryah]

I know all this and I agree with you about all this.

On the other hand, such series is public and a large number of people watched and enjoyed .. it indicates the confusion about such subjects: the spiritual world, the genie, the devil, the angels and the death and the afterlife.

So I took it to explain such subjects by the way of this Supernatural show.

FFS Selfie... there IS no confusion.

Again, the show is a TV show and thus not based on reality.

You said you agree with me, you say you know this.

But you're STILL confusing Reality and TV.

While admittedly there will be some who think it's mostly true what's done on the show (because there are some serious wackadoodles out there, I mean, there are people who believe Soap's are real life too), trying to explain what your take on some of the subjects are, using the Show as a base, is just...

Not needed, and really throws confusion to the wind, along with a bunch of other things.

You want to talk about the mythos of things to do with Religion, stick with the actual subject notes and DON'T use a TV show that takes liberties with such mythos as your basis.

 

[Murphy]

How can I say this kindly? He doesn't understand the show because he has comprehensions issues. He doesn't want to discuss the show at all, in fact.

Read through the thread and you will see that he doesn't watch it. He claims to have only seen little bits. He started this so he could proselytize about Islam. The show doesn't interest him in the slightest. This post was a means to an end, Unfortunately, he will see that someone has posted here again and begin anew.