The true marvelous story of Moses
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The interpreter of the Quran and the Bible said this in part of his interpretation: that is in answer of those who say the story of the Quran is derived from the Torah .. they mean Prophet Mohammed studied the Torah and then compiled the Quran accordingly ... so he said:
The Torah was in Hebrew, and has not been translated but only later on in modern centuries.
Moreover, Mohammed did not know the reading and writing of Arabic even.
In addition, if the story of the Quran came according to the story of the Torah, it would come identical with the story of the Torah, while we see many differences between the Torah and the Quran, in spite of that they are similar generally speaking.
But while it is God Himself That revealed both the Torah and the Quran it came as such: they are similar, but not identical, so the revealer is the same and the true story came in the Quran pure of any distortion or alteration as had happened in the Torah.
And of course the disbeliever almost will not believe the truth, but will believe the doubts and lies ... to such doubts and lies he hastens to believe.
Waited the obligatory two days, so you could revive the thread? Mohammad, if he ever existed, was a plagiarist, pedophile and a liar. Because you believe his writings to be true, does not make them so. It just makes you a sheep. Someone who is incapable of independent thought. You repeat the lies of your master.
But that's because you are Satan's messenger.
Be gone, demon. Return to your master, Satan, and tell him that you have failed. No one cares to listen to your lies.
But that's because you are Satan's messenger.
Be gone, demon. Return to your master, Satan, and tell him that you have failed. No one cares to listen to your lies.
Have you ever heard of the game of 'telephone?' That might be what you are describing above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers
Why do you believe in such myths and don't believe the true story of the Quran and the Torah?
The original thing is the pure God's religion recommended by God to all the prophets and messengers starting from Adam, then Noah and all the rest of the prophets.
But the passing of generations after generations will tend to distort the pure religion of God into idolatry so that gradually the original God's religion will be disfigured.
This works with people till now; and even though the Islam came with the pure monotheism and the exclusive devotion to God alone and the emphasizing that Mohammed is the servant of God and His messenger and that he is only a human being eats and drinks and have wives and children and go about in the market places for his affairs ... just like the rest of human beings .. Muslims started also to sanctify the Prophet Mohammed and to glorify him ... and some of them started to glorify his family members and relatives like Ali and Hussein ..
I can give many examples (although Muslims in fact are much less than the other Jews and Christians in this respect. Particularly Christians whose religion was disfigured by the Jewish Saul who was surnamed Paul who - after torturing the early Christians - started to promote the enthusiasm in Jesus as God's son or part of Trinity or that he was God Himself Who came to redeem people, and this Paul also invented the way of the monk, and they they better should not marry ... )
Man will not believe unless God guides him, and if God does not guide man, there will be none to guide him.
So what do you want to prove that Mohammed is truthful and he brought the true revelation from God?
Prophet Mohammed is the perfect example of how prophet should be: he did not bring about any objective miracle other than the Quran as a miracle of language eloquence and it is a scientific miracle in addition to telling about the future and about the Unknown knowledge specially about the Next Life and details about Hell and Paradise which none can know other than God alone.
In part of his interpretation, the interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly said:
The idolaters of Mecca demanded many objective miracles of the Prophet, but God did not give him any miracle other than the Quran, and God said to them implying:
If God gives them the miracles they demanded ... they will divide into two parties: some of them will deny and say all such miracles are a sort of magic and so will disbelieve like the Jews who disbelieved the miracles of Jesus ..
or they will believe and then will be enthusiastic about him and be like Christians who said Jesus is the son of God.
There was no Adam or Noah you dummy. These are figurative stories Selfsap what's wrong with ye? Use that growth you have sitting atop ye neck.
It does not apply here.
In fact, you don't believe neither in God nor in the Torah revealed to Moses, nor in the Quran revealed to Mohammed.
So if you don't believe in the Torah itself, how can you say: the Quran takes the stories from the Torah?
Therefore, your words contradict each other .. but the Quran proves the Torah ... because you say the Quran takes the stories from the Torah so you should believe at first in the Torah itself and the Quran is the proof of the authenticity of the Torah.
There was no Adam or Noah you dummy. These are figurative stories Selfsap what's wrong with ye? Use that growth you have sitting atop ye neck.
Of course I should believe you and deny the Quran and the Torah.
So you think no Adam or Noah .. how can you be sure or you say the words haphazardly as you desire?
Of course, no Adam or Noah .. but only your Satan or Lucifer !?
There is also no archeological evidence of a great number of jews wondering in the wilderness for forty years Selfsap. Why is this?
Waited the obligatory two days, so you could revive the thread? Mohammad, if he ever existed, was a plagiarist, pedophile and a liar. Because you believe his writings to be true, does not make them so. It just makes you a sheep. Someone who is incapable of independent thought. You repeat the lies of your master.
But that's because you are Satan's messenger.
Be gone, demon. Return to your master, Satan, and tell him that you have failed. No one cares to listen to your lies.
But if the matter is contrary of this, and it is Satan that provokes you against the Quran which invites to the 'exclusive devotion to God alone'?
And that Satan is commanding you to worship Jesus as God or son of God so that you will lose completely in the Next Life, and Jesus himself cannot intercede for you, because the decision of the intercession as a whole is up to God alone!?
Moreover, will Satan tell people to worship God, and to consecrate their worship to God alone without associate? Then if he does so, he will corrupt his kingdom ... refer to the words of Jesus in this respect when the Jews accused him that he worked his miracle by the command of Satan.
Did I say that, or is that what you think you heard? Kind'a like the game of 'telephone...'
Because of your disobedience when your ancestors rebelled against the command of God and did not obey His messenger Moses.
http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#Their_Rebellion_against_Their_Prophet_
Tell me clearly about your belief so that I can answer you.
You are obscure, and almost the obscure are the worshipers of Satan!?
They do not tell people their true identity, but they only stir doubts and objections.
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