The relation between the wrong-doing and misguidance
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Yes, I've read all your silly posts. You've stated many times that god misguides the wrong-doers into doing more wrong, I've asked you every time to explain how that could possibly be considered ethical behaviour, and all you do is just say it again. You don't have an explanation, except the fatuous claim that whatever Allah wills must be good because Allah wills it.
That looks like a reply to me. Have you not noticed that almost everything anybody says to you here is mockery? You're tolerated only for your entertainment value, almost nobody takes you seriously.
In fact your posts are silly assertins.
Many times I told you that God - be glorified - guides whomever He please: i.e. the one who is kind-hearted and who helps the poor and the weak.
While He misguides the wrong-doer .. the wrong-doer;
He sends them His messengers and they do not respond .. they have the free choice, but they will disdain the truth and will dislike the truth on account of their wrong-doing;
So if they reform their conduct: and refrain from the wrong-doing and start to show kindness to the weak, He will guide them, but they keep on their bad conduct and so they will yield and prefer to follow Satan and the devil suggestions.
And if the guided one changes his conduct and started to be hard-hearted and cruel to the weak, he will be misguided and Satan will have authority and power over him: he will apostatize from the belief.
But God knows who deserve the guidance or misguidance.
Not for the entertainment, may be for another reason; anyhow not more than your entertainment; by the way your name and your candle are so funny and silly.
get to rehab asap
This man's forehead extends almost to the back of his top knotWhat an evasive are you!
Didn't you read what I said in the previous post #17?
God misguides the wrong-doers and you are one of them. At least you wrong yourself by following the atheism and will lose in the end.
The Quran is the word of God, and Al-Hilly is the inspired interpreter of the Quran, and his explanation therefore is the best explanation of the Quran: both its plain and ambiguous ayat, which none knows but only God.
Moreover, Abu abd-Allah, the Mahdi, was only a human being: he became ill and God cured him, and he ate and drank and said some wrong words then he retreated and corrected them and did not insist on the wrong; his morals were excellent and he was kind-hearted; but yet he was stern against disbelievers and associaters;
he lived and died like all other people, but only he was inspired and the interpretation was revealed to him, while he did not graduate at any school: only he knew the reading and writing of Arabic.
So how will this be any enthusiasm or idolatry?
While what you said about his claimed scientific mistakes; they are not any mistakes: we discussed them before and his words are more logical in the sight of people with scientific attitude not like you sticking to the lectures and school lessons.
If you want to know was he guided or misguided: know then that he invited to God alone without associate and without glorification of anyone else than God .. and this is the best proof of his uprightness.
To this mockery I will not reply: its falsehood is so obvious.
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This is the picture of my teacher, the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, with his description embedded in books written hundreds of years ago that the interpreter of the Quran will have such description:
Some of the descriptive features of the Mahdi:
1- The Mahdi is the interpreter of the Quran.
2- The Mhadi is acquainted about the tablets of Moses and the Torah.
3- He has a broad smooth forehead.
3- And straight moderate nose.
3- His arms are longer than usual.
4- He is left handed.
5- He has two nameshis name is combined two named: Mohammed and Ali)
6- He has a mole on his right cheek.
7- His shape is like the shape of the men of the Children of Israel, with an Arab texture.
8- Has other two moles: one on his right shoulder and the other on his right thigh.
9- He is a photographer: a man drawing and then repeats his drawings: i.e. the negative and the positive photograph [after fixing in certain solutions]
10- He has some mild difficulty of articulation (sometimes when the word does not come by his tongue, he will strike his right thigh with his left hand)
11- he is submissive in his prayers like the submission of the eagle on its little birds.
And many other features which I don't remember now or I am in a hurry.
Complement of the reply to Dexter Sinister:
In these 2 ayat, there is an explanation about the factor preventing the disbeliever from expending charity for the sake of God and to gain good work for his Next Life:
Quran 23: 99-100, which mean:
[Then God – be glorified – told about the condition of the unbeleivers and the niggardly, at the hour of death, and He said:]
99. Till when death comes to one of them [and he is about to die], he says: "O [angels of] my Lord, return me [to the life of the World.]"
100. "So that I may do charity with [the wealth] which I left behind a."
[The angels will say to him:]
“No, [there will be no return for you.”]
This merely is a word that he speaks b;
for there is behind them a barrier [: that is the devil who will ‘bar and prevent’ them from the expenditure, if they are returned] till the day when they will be sent forth [from their bodies to the ether world or the world of souls c.]
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a i.e. So that I may expend it, in the way of God, on the poor and needy.
b Which is not true; the word is his saying: "So that I may do charity with [the wealth] which I left behind."
c And for this reason, they will not expend.
This is confirmed by His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 6: 28, which means:
(And even if they were sent back [to the life of the World], they would return to that [disobedience] which they were forbidden; they, indeed, are liars [with their wishes.])
The explanation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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In these 2 ayat, there is an explanation about the factor preventing the disbeliever from expending charity for the sake of God and to gain good work for his Next Life:
Quran 23: 99-100, which mean:
[Then God – be glorified – told about the condition of the unbeleivers and the niggardly, at the hour of death, and He said:]
99. Till when death comes to one of them [and he is about to die], he says: "O [angels of] my Lord, return me [to the life of the World.]"
100. "So that I may do charity with [the wealth] which I left behind a."
[The angels will say to him:]
“No, [there will be no return for you.”]
This merely is a word that he speaks b;
for there is behind them a barrier [: that is the devil who will ‘bar and prevent’ them from the expenditure, if they are returned] till the day when they will be sent forth [from their bodies to the ether world or the world of souls c.]
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a i.e. So that I may expend it, in the way of God, on the poor and needy.
b Which is not true; the word is his saying: "So that I may do charity with [the wealth] which I left behind."
c And for this reason, they will not expend.
This is confirmed by His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 6: 28, which means:
(And even if they were sent back [to the life of the World], they would return to that [disobedience] which they were forbidden; they, indeed, are liars [with their wishes.])
The explanation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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You go; it may be you will truly go; you deserve it. You judged yourself.
Sometimes I wish there were good reasons to think there's a next life of some sort, so some people could consciously discover how relentlessly, boneheadedly wrong they were in this one.
Then I must really flumox you. I do good deeds all the time. I look after animals and small children. I give homeless people both money and food. I don't rape, abuse, castrate, rob, murder, people and I am an atheist from the day I was born and will be until the day I die. I don't do unkind hurtful cruel acts to other people. That is morality without god.
What have you done to help your fellow man? Has you god misguided you away from helping out your fellow man? Or is he "guiding" you to doing good deeds? and if he's guiding you, how come you require that? Are you unable to figure out how to be good without the constant guidance?
If there were an after life, then by some one would have come along by now to let us know that there is one. How many billions of people have died and noone has come forward?
Proof there is nothing after death.
I liked Forrest Gump's perspective when he stood over his soul mates grave and shared his feelings with her.
So according to your conscience: there is no Next Life? Where is then your claimed science and logic?
That is interesting. I did not know that. The idea of a God Who would maliciously mislead us, sinners or not, is confusing to me. I prefer to believe in a God of kindness and love only - a God I can trust.
Not according to my conscience selfsame, ethics and morality don't enter into it. It's about but what science has learned over the last 400 years or so about how things really work and how to test the truth content of claims. The claim that there's a next life is an empirical claim about the nature of reality, essentially that some part of the personality survives the death of the body and goes on to another place. If that's true there should be some evidence for it, but there isn't. There is nothing that doesn't admit of much simpler and more prosaic explanations, so the claim deserves to be rejected as almost certainly not true according to what we know now. If in future some convincing evidence comes to light, I will gratefully change my position, and my life, but until then, I won't accept the truth of anything you claim about it, because you have not made the case. All you've got is a 1400 year old text from a superstitious, pre-scientific, and largely pre-literate, age, and an interpretation of it from a man who was completely ignorant of what science knew even in his own time, never mind what we know now. It seems impossible to me that you, basing your views on such sources, could be right.
Don't worry about it, it's not true.
God does not wrong anyone; He dislikes wrong-doers.
To God belong the most fair or excellent names like: Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Most Kind, Most Compassionate .. this is to people in general.
And He is at the same time: the Most severe in punishing the disbelievers, the ungrateful, the disobedient, the wrong-doers.
God loves the repentant, the one who asks forgiveness, and loves the one doing charity and helps the weak and the poor; but He dislikes the one who transgresses on the orphans, widows, the weak, the poor and needy.
Quran 5: 98, which means:
{Know that God is Terrible in retribution a, and God is Most Forgiving b, Most Merciful c.}
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a To those who associate or join others with Him and contradict His commands.
b To those who devote themselves to God alone, when they repent.
c To those who regret.
But the adversaries of the Quran, spread their propaganda claiming that God in the Quran is cruel and is a wrong-doer .. glory be to God and exalted is He above the words of the falsehood followers.
While this meaning that God dislikes the wrong-doing and the wrong-doer is cited in a large number of the Quran ayat.
Like His saying - be glorified - in the Quran 10: 44, which means:
{God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.}
And His saying in the Quran 4: 40, which means:
{Surely, God does not wrong [people] so much as the weight of a minute particle,
and if it a be a good [deed b], He will multiply it [for its doer c], and give from Him [in the Next Life] a great recompense [for the doer of the good deed.]}
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a i.e. the good deed.
b the weight of a minute particle.
c i.e. God will increase it for its doer, so that He gives him his reward in this life of the World and in the Next Life.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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Your words are the untrue. In fact, you are a devil who conceals the truth so as to spread his falsehood.
And you are one of the leaders to falsehood.
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I mean according to your conviction: don't you think that there should be the Next Life?
See rivers like Tigris, Euphrates, Nile, Mississippi, Amazon and others .. flowing since thousands of years ago without finishing .. and towns and cities and people live there on the banks of these rivers: rivers with sweet palatable water for drinking of people and animals .. if there was no purpose, then such rivers would change at any time, but it is on purpose that water-springs come out of the earth in a stated measure, and will combine in tributaries until they reach the main river and people live there since thousands of years ago.
The dry land: desolate and barren with no plant or animal or man, and only when profuse rain will come after the drought, then the life will issue with its various forms: the plant, the birds come in addition to reptiles, rodents and other animals.
So as the plant lives with the rain water, without which it will wither, in the same way the material body cannot be living without the spirit, on the departure of which and on its leaving the body, the body will perish and decay.
http://quran-ayat.com/man/#Some_observations_proving_the_existence_
Moreover, see thousands of past generations passed away in the same pattern and new generations came in stead of the past ones .. what does this indicate? All this is aimlessly? No, of course, and if you say yes claiming it is the science; this has no relation to science in any way, and no scientific man can deny the Next Life claiming he depends on the science.
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this is in the Quran 39: 21 about the existence of souls:
{Have you d not seen that God sends down [rain] water from the sky, and causes it to percolate through the earth [then to come out] as water-springs e,
and [God] afterwards produces thereby plant different in color f, then it will be affected by the hot winds [of summer], and you will see it yellowish g, then it will be broken pieces h.
Surely, that i indicates an admonition for men of understanding. j}
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d The denier of the existing of spirits.
e The ‘water-spring’ exists below the mountain or in between the mountains. The water-spring forms from the rain or from the snow which falls on mountains in the winter season, which will percolate through their cracks and hollows, then the water will flow underground until it will find an exit out of which it will come, and this is called a water-spring.
If that water spring is from the mountain on which snow accumulates, the water will be very cold; while if it is from the rain, the coldness will be moderate.
Moreover, the water coming from the water-spring, being palatable or not, depends according to the goodness of the land inside which the water flows: if it is good without salts, the water comes palatable for drinking, while if the land contains salts, the water will come out salt or bitter.
f Because when water comes out of the water-spring, it will make its way on the ground to form a flowing river, by which the plants will grow, flowers will blossom and fruits will come forth, so that beautiful colors will be formed by that plant: green, red, yellow, white and other colors of the flowers of spring time.
g Because of the drought and heat.
h Under the feet of people and the hoofs of beasts.
i Breaking into pieces.
j This is a parable which God – be glorified – expounds to those who deny the existence of souls (or spirits), and He says: Look to the plant, how it plants and forms because of the existence of water, and it will have beautiful colors and nice flowers, then when summer comes and the hot wind afflicts it, the water in the plant will evaporate, so it will wither, dry up and break up because of its depletion of the water.
Therefore, the plant will not grow and live unless with the water; and similarly man will not be formed unless by the existence of the spirit, and the cause of his death is only because of its getting out of his body; so if you have minds, then you may think and realize and understand this parable.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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Today, I read this aya 42: 8, related to this subject of the 'wrong-doing & misguidance':
{8. If God had willed, He would have made them as one nation [submitting themselves to God];
but [some of them are monotheists h and merciful and most of them are associaters and wrong-doers i;
so] He admits [the merciful] whom He pleases into His mercy [: His Paradise],
while the wrong-doers will have neither patron [to take care about them] nor helper [to avert the doom from them.]}
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h Who exclusively devote themselves to God alone.
i Who wrong the weak and the needy and plunder their rights.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Today, I read this aya 42: 8, related to this subject of the 'wrong-doing & misguidance':
{8. If God had willed, He would have made them as one nation [submitting themselves to God];
but [some of them are monotheists h and merciful and most of them are associaters and wrong-doers i;
so] He admits [the merciful] whom He pleases into His mercy [: His Paradise],
while the wrong-doers will have neither patron [to take care about them] nor helper [to avert the doom from them.]}
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h Who exclusively devote themselves to God alone.
i Who wrong the weak and the needy and plunder their rights.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
You cain't be no moral compass in here Selfschlong you tell too many lies.
The interpretation by Mewhammed Bin Jabbarski Al-Hooligan
And then, according to your explanations, in his "Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Most Kind, Most Compassionate..." way, he directs them into doing even more wrong so he can condemn them to an eternity of conscious torment in fire. But that's not wronging them? You don't see the contradiction in that, that this is not gracious, merciful, kind, compassionate behaviour?
Wow. If that's true, you'd better be very afraid of me, I could do you great harm. And if I were the kind of person you seem to think I am, I would. I'm not, so I wouldn't, but I think you would. I think you're a Muslim fundamentalist who believes I'm doomed for all time anyway so there'd be nothing wrong with you helping me into the next life to start my eternity of conscious torment in fire a little early.
It would be nice if there were a next life, I'd like to see my parents again, and a few other people I've loved who have died, but what I'd like to be true and what's actually true don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Whether there should or shouldn't be a next life is a question that attempts to impose a human wish on reality, and it's really quite meaningless. What matters is whether there is or isn't a next life, and what I or anybody else wishes to be true will have no effect on that.
That's almost right, but it's phrased in a way that misrepresents how science works. What any scientific man (or woman) would say is that there's no good evidence indicating there's a next life, so the claim that there is a next life does not deserve to be accepted as correct. No man (or woman) of science would dogmatically state that there isn't a next life, or at least they shouldn't if they're intellectually honest, only that the evidence doesn't indicate there is.
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No kidding. I'd love it if it was true that chocolate cheese cake was diet food. But that ain't reality. *sigh*
The fact is no one knows whether there is or whether there isn't and until there is more substantiated information it's pointless to keep discussing it. It would be more purposeful to use the effort to make the most out of this life. Anything else will take care of itself!
Yeah, I've long thought that the only life we KNOW for certain we have is this one, because here we are living it, so we should make the best of it we can and assume nothing about other lives. I live my life on the assumption that this is all I'm going to get.