Pope Francis says Trump's views on immigration 'not Christian'
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No haven't heard that one but as paranoid as the Trumpoids are concerning certain things I suppose the shoe could be on the other foot as well. Back in the sixties people were scared to death that if Barry Goldwater were elected President he would get us into WW3. Years ago as a naïve voter I was pulling for Ross Perot. Why he pulled out in mid stream I do not know. But I get the same feeling with Trump. I could be wrong but I really do not think his motives are genuine. Just a feeling.
I think Donny boy may have just cooked his own goose. You don't f**k with the Pope!
You people need to understand that the power of government in the US resides primarily with the legislature. Not the President. It' as if you think he might be King. Doesn't work that way unless the Trumpoids can somehow manage to change the constitution.
Pope Francis says Trump's views on immigration 'not Christian'.
Ironic innit? This coming from a man squatting in the most opulent square mile in Europe, walled in to keep the denizens of one of the poorest neighbourhoods in Western Europe, out.
Ironic innit? This coming from a man squatting in the most opulent square mile in Europe, walled in to keep the denizens of one of the poorest neighbourhoods in Western Europe, out.
Yeah, that's one of the Merit Badges that you have to accumulate if you want to lead the GOP... that and an open ended endorsement of the gun culture. How the hell those hillbillies can reconcile their professed "Christianity" with a deep fetish for killing machines is beyond me. The two are irreconcilable and, no doubt, Fracis is irritated by that, as well.
Yep, it's all Dubya's fault!
An awful lot of it is. Dubya and his crew did much to degrade that office to the point that a creep like Trump actually looks like a viable leader to a big part of the GOP. Even in Reagan's time or Nixon's, he would have been laughed off of the stage. Everyone is dumbing down and Dubya and co. counted on it.
What? You mean like that wall they've built around the Vatican City?
By the way, how many immigrants has the Vatican taken in? I know it's the smallest country in the world, but I'm sure the Papal Apartments could house quite a lot of refugees.
It's a good point. There's a big "unChristian" wall around the Vatican.
And, as far as I know, it has taken in many migrants. You could probably house around 20 migrant families in the Papal Apartments. When are they being opened up to migrant families? Where is the Vatican's Catholic charity?
Donald Trump v Pope Francis? Trump wins
The kind of Americans backing Trump won't care that he's had an argument with a Pope they brand a "Social Justice Warrior"
Pope Francis speaks to journalists aboard the flight from Mexico to Italy Photo: AFP
By Tim Stanley
18 Feb 2016
The Telegraph
It’s on. Trump v Francis: 2016. What a presidential race that would make. Francis is the only man who could best Trump in a debate – you can’t call the Pope “low energy” or a “horrible person” and get away with it. Trump, meanwhile, would probably cast doubt on whether or not the Pope really can be Pope because, well, he wasn’t born in the Vatican. “If I win, we’re gonna hold a Reformation – and it’ll be huuuuuuge!”
What actually happened is a classic case of “that escalated quickly”. Let’s get the narrative exact. It was Trump who started this battle of words, when he said that the Pope was a political man and the “pawn” of the Mexican government because of his opposition to a wall along the US border. Francis was asked about this on a plane and replied: “a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.”
This is all classic Francis: a man speaking from the heart, hugely open to both benign and malign interpretation. We could be nice and focus on the bit where he said that he gave Trump “the benefit of the doubt”. Even so, it’s still highly unusual for a Pope to comment in this way on the internal politics of a democratic nation – and even more unusual, for a Pope known to love ecumenical dialogue, for him to actually question the faith of a politician. Anyway, Trump rose to the occasion and replied with a warning that if Isil bombs the Vatican then Francis will wish he backed Trump. As if Francis has a vote. Which he doesn’t. None of this makes very much sense, which is The Donald's effect on politics. It's like WWE wrestling. "You attack my faith, Pope Francis? Then you're going dooooown!"
Who won this bout? Trump probably. South Carolina votes on Saturday and it’s overwhelmingly Protestant, so few votes will be lost. Many Americans will argue that a strong immigration policy isn’t a contradiction of Christian ethics – although Francis’ point that there’s something unwholesome about always wanting to erect barriers is strong. Moreover, many conservatives see the Pope as – to use Twitter jargon – a Social Justice Warrior whose own faith is diluted by his "unreasonable" obsession with helping the poor. In short, this fight won’t hurt Trump. If anything, the fact that a Pope is commenting on him affirms his frontrunner status.
Controversial Republican candidate Donald Trump Photo: Nicholas Kamm/AFP
Why do so many evangelicals and – yes – Catholics support a three-times married, foul-mouthed New Yorker who used to favour legalised abortion? Because they like the fact that he offers no compromise with liberalism. They gamble that because he’s beholden to no one, he’s more likely to fight their corner. Trump is their response to the "tyranny" of political correctness, a shield of righteous fury to hide behind. You know where you stand with him, even if you can't stand him. A little squabble with a Pope – especially one who speaks Spanish – won’t hurt The Donald.
Donald Trump v Pope Francis? Trump wins - Telegraph
I agree, but I also think that politicians should have to keep religion out of their campaigns.
In the US, every single candidate has to campaign on the basis of being a Christian.
Always been that way. Founding fathers had to pander to the religious pulse of the times even though many of them weren't even Christian they were Deists.
Politics are so damn disingenuous it's pathetic. Trump,,,and to be fair all of the rest will simply analyze what seems to be popular to the majority and will steer their "performance" based upon that analysis. It's mostly bullshyt.
I don't blame Bush any more than I blame Harper, when things don't go according to plan. These guys have high paid advisers. What's THEIR responsibility?
Probably more-so than the Pope as the RCC is not the most truthful organization around. They can't even admit the Beloved Disciple is a woman, until they do that how much of what they say should be taken as being truthful. The Mary they promote should be the Mary that wrote the Gospel of John and Revelations rather than Jesus's mom as she will be the first person from all of the 12 tribes to be resurrected back to life. That is actually the 3rd secret from that Fatima visions.
The Pope lost against the Russian head of the Church also, not having a good week is he?
Donald Trump Barrages World With Photos Of Vatican Fortress Walls
