Apocalypse Means Revelation

[Motar]

Pretty sure that folks who lived in the time of those writings thought it would happen in their times.

I have heard those same sentiments from contemporary disaster survivors, LL. When interviewed on camera, some in the midst of crisis have declared to reporters, "I thought the world was ending." I wonder what causes humans in personally unprecedented circumstances to interpret them as global dissolution.

erm Yeah. Your OP said: "apocalypse (n.)

late 14c., "revelation, disclosure," from Church Latin apocalypsis "revelation," from Greek apokalyptein "uncover, disclose, reveal," from apo- "from" (see apo-) + kalyptein "to cover, conceal" (see Calypso). The Christian end-of-the-world story is part of the revelation in John of Patmos' book "Apokalypsis" (a title rendered into English as "Apocalypse" c. 1230 and "Revelations" by Wyclif c. 1380). Online Etymology Dictionary"

"Who or what is being uncovered, disclosed or revealed in the biblical apocalypse?"

I replied. There is evidence supporting my reply. Any suggestion that someone will "reincarnate" and bring about an apocalypse resulting in a judgement about "believers" and "non-believers" is supposition and conjecture without evidentiary support.

I didn't realize you were quoting the Online Etymology Dictionary, AG. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Ludlow]

I have heard those same sentiments from contemporary disaster survivors, LL. When interviewed on camera, some in the midst of crisis have declared to reporters, "I thought the world was ending." I wonder what causes humans in personally unprecedented circumstances to interpret them as global dissolution.



I didn't realize you were quoting the Online Etymology Dictionary, AG. Thanks for the clarification.

I don't know. But like many , many other things it is one more example of people who claim to follow the man, refusing to give any merit to what he taught. " But of that hour no one knows. " Not even he claimed to know. He said the only one who knows would be god. Yet people still make outlandish claims that they do.

 

[Motar]

I don't know. But like many , many other things it is one more example of people who claim to follow the man, refusing to give any merit to what he taught. " But of that hour no one knows. " Not even he claimed to know. He said the only one who knows would be god. Yet people still make outlandish claims that they do.

I learned something new and compelling in my study of Revelation this week concerning the two-sided scroll with the seven seals mentioned in Revelation 5. Are you interested?

 

[Ludlow]

I learned something new and compelling in my study of Revelation this week concerning the two-sided scroll with the seven seals mentioned in Revelation 5. Are you interested?

I only read the letters in red Motar but thanks all the same.

 

[Motar]

I only read the letters in red Motar but thanks all the same.

You are no doubt aware that some of the red text derives directly from some of the black text. For example, some of the content of the NT mountain sermon derives directly from some of the content of the OT mountain commandments. Compare Exodus 20 and Matthew 5.

 

[Mowich]

End of the world, AG?



I've been consistently truthful on this forum about my gender, LL.

Are you familiar with Bible Study Fellowship? I am currently studying through the book of Revelation with a local BSF ladies class. We are starting into chapter 6 this week. My understanding of the Revelation message - the culmination of the restoration of creation and the ultimate revelation of God.
What is your reading of the Revelation message?

Well that's all fine and good, Motar. But you do have a life don't you? Is there nothing else in the world that interests you? It's a Big World, Motar.....................maybe you should think about joining it.

 

[Motar]

Well that's all fine and good, Motar. But you do have a life don't you? Is there nothing else in the world that interests you? It's a Big World, Motar.....................maybe you should think about joining it.

A husband and four children, full-time employment and community service keep me fairly engaged in the world, MW. My interest in Christianity is about faith-based living : )

 

[Mowich]

A husband and four children, full-time employment and community service keep me fairly engaged in the world, MW. My interest in Christianity is about faith-based living : )

There you go. I live on faith too.

 

[damngrumpy]

The fall of an empire is not an apocalypse its the fall of an empire that's all.
There is no hidden Imam no returning Jesus nor is there going to what is
called the Rapture. If we buy into that we all go to the universal slaughter
house at the hands of the politically insane

 

[Ludlow]

You are no doubt aware that some of the red text derives directly from some of the black text. For example, some of the content of the NT mountain sermon derives directly from some of the content of the OT mountain commandments. Compare Exodus 20 and Matthew 5.

I was referring to the teaching of Jesus as written down in the four gospels ,,of which I feel most of them are his teachings. That's what I meant by letters in red. Not really interested in the rest of the new testament although I have read them all.

 

[darkbeaver]

We can no more fittingly close than by presenting side by side two significant texts, one from old Egypt’s Bible, the Book of the Dead, and the other from the Christian Book, found in Revelation. I ask you to note a strange succession, in both passages, of the idea of a first life, followed by death, and that again by life restored. The Book of the Dead has this vivid declaration from the lips of the Manes (the soul in the body): "He hath given me the beautiful Amenta, through which the living pass from death to life." Now let us place beside this the stirring verse from the Apocalypse: "I am he that liveth and was dead, and behold I am alive for evermore." Life, death, and life again. Here are two ancient graphs, outlining our descent from a former place of life to a "death" in order to win life still more abundant. And let us read now with a new intelligence the ecstatic words of St. Paul as they ring out to us from that climactic chapter of the Christian faith, 15 of I Corinthians:

"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Ludlow]

We can no more fittingly close than by presenting side by side two significant texts, one from old Egypt’s Bible, the Book of the Dead, and the other from the Christian Book, found in Revelation. I ask you to note a strange succession, in both passages, of the idea of a first life, followed by death, and that again by life restored. The Book of the Dead has this vivid declaration from the lips of the Manes (the soul in the body): "He hath given me the beautiful Amenta, through which the living pass from death to life." Now let us place beside this the stirring verse from the Apocalypse: "I am he that liveth and was dead, and behold I am alive for evermore." Life, death, and life again. Here are two ancient graphs, outlining our descent from a former place of life to a "death" in order to win life still more abundant. And let us read now with a new intelligence the ecstatic words of St. Paul as they ring out to us from that climactic chapter of the Christian faith, 15 of I Corinthians:

"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory.

I'll stick to what Jesus had to say to the Jewish people. You can study that stuff. Not interested.

 

[Motar]

I was referring to the teaching of Jesus as written down in the four gospels ,,of which I feel most of them are his teachings. That's what I meant by letters in red. Not really interested in the rest of the new testament although I have read them all.

Understood, LL.

 

[darkbeaver]

I'll stick to what Jesus had to say to the Jewish people. You can study that stuff. Not interested.

As you will Ludllow, don't let me ruin your experiance. Good man that you are I expect you will proceed according to your own reason. I will not impede your progress through the forest. Take heed of the trees man, they wait silently for passing asperants only to lunge at the unsuspecting adherant. Good luck man. We all got roads to follow yours is no lesser path than mine.

I find your disintrest interesting.

 

[Motar]

I'll stick to what Jesus had to say to the Jewish people.

I concur. The Jewish context of Jesus' message is essential to a fuller appreciation of it. The two-sided scroll of Revelation 5 hails back to the original two-sided "scroll" of Scripture:

"Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back." (Exodus 32:15 NIV)

 

[darkbeaver]

I concur. The Jewish context of Jesus' message is essential to a fuller appreciation of it. The two-sided scroll of Revelation 5 hails back to the original two-sided "scroll" of Scripture:

"Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back." (Exodus 32:15 NIV)

Yes that's all well and good but can you point to these inscriptions so that we might evaluate the content as jesus hiself recommended? These chunks of rock seem to have disappeared. No doubt th fukkin Jews have stolen them. Why must we entertain your anit semetic drivel?

 

[Motar]

Yes that's all well and good but can you point to these inscriptions so that we might evaluate the content as jesus hiself recommended? These chunks of rock seem to have disappeared.

You might want to check with the ACLU or perhaps the Oklahoma Supreme Court, DB. The tablets you seek may be in storage somewhere near the Oklahoma State Capitol.

 

[Mowich]

You might want to check with the ACLU or perhaps the Oklahoma Supreme Court, DB. The tablets you seek may be in storage somewhere near the Oklahoma State Capitol.

Where's Indiana when you need him.

 

[Cliffy]

There you go. I live on faith too.

Ah, but that is impossible. Christians think they have a monopoly on faith.

Where's Indiana when you need him.

Sadly retired along with his bull whip.

 

[Motar]

Ah, but that is impossible. Christians think they have a monopoly on faith

Ask MW who gave her the "thumbs up" rating, Cliffy. It is impossible for those who do not recognize Christ to recognize Christians. There's a remedy for that : )