Apocalypse Means Revelation

[Danbones]

somebody being talked at by the mouth with the tongue like a flaming sword...
err...the constellation of orion again?

Revelation 22:16 New International Version (NIV)
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+22:16
(BTW there are 16 22.5 degree points on a compass rhose which is what the original REAL people of the cross, and the knights templar were really all about )

The morning star Venus was then and still is known as LUCIFER
of which JESUS SAYS he is the offspring of
and Harper makes policy off of this stuff?
jeez,
our lord AMEN, the first pharaoh of egypt
I'd like to say you can't make this SH!t up
but somebody did

 

[MHz]

yeah he looks arab

Because he's smiling?

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 1:1-2 NIV)

"John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia..." (Revelation 1:4 NIV)

"I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea." (Revelation 1:9-11 NIV)

John begins this letter to the seven churches in the style of first century Greeks. The title or topic of the letter is Revelation (singular, means no "s"). John opened this correspondence with a greeting and blessing after introducing God as the Author, himself as the scribe and his intended audience.

That still doesn't make it the Apostle John, it is referencing John that Baptist, the only John mentioned in that particular Gospel. John the Apostle and his brother James and Peter were all invited to two different events in the Bible, neither of those can be found in the Gospel of John. Those stories are in the other 3 Gospels so it would seem reasonable to attribute the Apostle John to being the writer of one of those Gospels instead. A Disciple of John the Baptist would have the same authority as John the Baptist himself. The Beloved Disciple is Mary of Bethany if gender is important.

 

[Motar]

That still doesn't make it the Apostle John, it is referencing John that Baptist, the only John mentioned in that particular Gospel. John the Apostle and his brother James and Peter were all invited to two different events in the Bible, neither of those can be found in the Gospel of John. Those stories are in the other 3 Gospels so it would seem reasonable to attribute the Apostle John to being the writer of one of those Gospels instead. A Disciple of John the Baptist would have the same authority as John the Baptist himself. The Beloved Disciple is Mary of Bethany if gender is important.

The Author of all of Scripture selected and inspired all of the scribes of Scripture, MHz. In the grand scheme of things, debating which scribe penned which Scripture is akin to majoring on a minor.

 

[Motar]

I feel not many if any understand the cryptic message of Revelation.

The message of Revelation is simple, LL.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. In the end, God will restore them. In the process, God was/is/will be revealed.

 

[AnnaG]

Personally, I think the end of the world will come when it is blasted apart by a large enough comet or meteor. If nothing like that comes about, the world will be fine even after the sun goes into the red giant then red dwarf and all the way until when the white dwarf goes supernova. That will happen some 5 billion years from now.
There is no evidence pointing to anything else.

 

[Motar]

Personally, I think the end of the world will come when it is blasted apart by a large enough comet or meteor. If nothing like that comes about, the world will be fine even after the sun goes into the red giant then red dwarf and all the way until when the white dwarf goes supernova. That will happen some 5 billion years from now.
There is no evidence pointing to anything else.

There may be a grammar error in your intelligence tagline, AG. I may be mistaken, but I think it should read: "I am sure there (are) two different subspecies on the planet."

 

[gerryh]

There may be a grammar error in your intelligence tagline, AG. "I am sure there (are) two different subspecies on the planet."



There may be a grammar error in your intelligence tagline, AG. I think "I am sure there (are) two different subspecies on the planet."



There may be a grammar error in your intelligence tagline, AG. I think "I am sure there (are) two different subspecies on the planet."

3 times...why? You think she's too stupid to figure it out after the first time?

 

[Ludlow]

I guess ole John must have been pretty old when he wrote that stuff.

 

[Motar]

I guess ole John must have been pretty old when he wrote that stuff.

The Author is referred to as the "Ancient of Days" in some accounts, LL.

 

[AnnaG]

There may be a grammar error in your intelligence tagline, AG. I may be mistaken, but I think it should read: "I am sure there (are) two different subspecies on the planet."

You are correct.... off-topic but correct.There is a grammaTICAL error there. As I am not perfect like Yeshua, however, I am too lazy and more concerned elsewhere to correct it at the moment.

 

[Ludlow]

There's simply no excuse for that brand of grammatical debauchery.

 

[gerryh]

There's simply no excuse for that brand of grammatical debauchery.

what I found amusing, was, he/she quoted and replied 3 times concerning that "error".

 

[Ludlow]

what I found amusing, was, he/she quoted and replied 3 times concerning that "error".

He/she. Yeah. Can't really know can you.

 

[Motar]

Personally, I think the end of the world will come when it is blasted apart by a large enough comet or meteor. If nothing like that comes about, the world will be fine even after the sun goes into the red giant then red dwarf and all the way until when the white dwarf goes supernova. That will happen some 5 billion years from now.
There is no evidence pointing to anything else.

End of the world, AG?

He/she. Yeah. Can't really know can you.

I've been consistently truthful on this forum about my gender, LL.

Are you familiar with Bible Study Fellowship? I am currently studying through the book of Revelation with a local BSF ladies class. We are starting into chapter 6 this week. My understanding of the Revelation message - the culmination of the restoration of creation and the ultimate revelation of God.
What is your reading of the Revelation message?

 

[Ludlow]

End of the world, AG?



I've been consistently truthful on this forum about my gender, LL.

Are you familiar with Bible Study Fellowship? I am currently studying through the book of Revelation with a local BSF ladies class. We are starting into chapter 6 this week. My understanding of the Revelation message - the culmination of the restoration of creation and the ultimate revelation of God.
What is your reading of the Revelation message?

I read Revelation as a young man several times. I read the book with a Christian perspective then. Also several commentaries by authors who fancied themselves bible prophecy scholars. Consequently my reading was influenced by those " scholars". As I got old
I began to study a little history .Read several books relative to religious history by authors who were not influenced by their affiliations. I've since read the bible from cover to cover and still think about it from time to time. The author whoever it may be seems to have thought it necessary to put symbolic imagery into his writings. Considering the time and culture of the writing I'm believing it had a lot to do with Rome and what was going on "then". Not convinced the book has much to do with our time and culture. I guess that remains to be seen.

 

[Motar]

I read Revelation as a young man several times. I read the book with a Christian perspective then. Also several commentaries by authors who fancied themselves bible prophecy scholars. Consequently my reading was influenced by those " scholars". As I got old
I began to study a little history .Read several books relative to religious history by authors who were not influenced by their affiliations. I've since read the bible from cover to cover and still think about it from time to time. The author whoever it may be seems to have thought it necessary to put symbolic imagery into his writings. Considering the time and culture of the writing I'm believing it had a lot to do with Rome and what was going on "then". Not convinced the book has much to do with our time and culture. I guess that remains to be seen.

So glad to hear your thoughts, LL. There are some truth-seekers who participate in this forum and I consider you among them. I never leave these discussions without an experience of grateful enlightenment. Perhaps you have seen me post this before:

"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another." (Proverbs 27:17 NIV)

Your honesty and humility are refreshing. Thanks, Friend.

what I found amusing, was, he/she quoted and replied 3 times concerning that "error".

My apologies, gerry. It was a technological glitch.

 

[AnnaG]

End of the world, AG?

erm Yeah. Your OP said: "apocalypse (n.)

late 14c., "revelation, disclosure," from Church Latin apocalypsis "revelation," from Greek apokalyptein "uncover, disclose, reveal," from apo- "from" (see apo-) + kalyptein "to cover, conceal" (see Calypso). The Christian end-of-the-world story is part of the revelation in John of Patmos' book "Apokalypsis" (a title rendered into English as "Apocalypse" c. 1230 and "Revelations" by Wyclif c. 1380). Online Etymology Dictionary"

"Who or what is being uncovered, disclosed or revealed in the biblical apocalypse?"

I replied. There is evidence supporting my reply. Any suggestion that someone will "reincarnate" and bring about an apocalypse resulting in a judgement about "believers" and "non-believers" is supposition and conjecture without evidentiary support.

 

[Ludlow]

Pretty sure that folks who lived in the time of those writings thought it would happen in their times.

 

[AnnaG]

I wonder if any were holding their breath while waiting.

 

[Ludlow]

I wonder if any were holding their breath while waiting.

It would be interesting how they felt. The Millerites' in 1844 believed the same way and many lost everything they had because of Mr. Millers predictions. There have been more than a few who thought they had doomsday figured out.