Well that should be a completed thread. The question has been answered and then some. The thread could be closed as being complete and immune from any further elaboration.
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I spent over an hour in composing a reply to your above post. Somewhere in the middle of that allowed hour I was interrupted by my grandson and now the system administrator god has the matter in his hands and will make a dispensation of the fate of that composition at sometime or other in the future.
Anticipating your reply, DB.
Nuts. You want to understand what is in the Bible? First, find a source that can give you the original text. Then read about all the variations of word definitions about the languages used. Then apply them to the original text.
Have fun. Scholars have been at it for centuries and are still puzzling over some of it.
Have fun. Scholars have been at it for centuries and are still puzzling over some of it.
"Now Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see him, but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd. Someone told him, 'Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you.' He replied, 'My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice." (Luke 8:19-21 NIV)
Now you can do the same all by yourself because an e-bible using the 1611KJV text lets you do just that. It is still up to you to decide what any certain passage is saying but you can save some time if you find somebody who is correct about a few things. Literal compared to figurative is one of the more basic questions.
The next part is to dog ear the pages, for us that would be the part that is about the bruise to Satan's head as that is still in prophecy alone. The bruise to the heel from that same determination started with Abraham's son Joseph (sold as a slave so that is where the 'slaves' term came from) and ends with Jesus dying on the cross. The value that has to us it helps us determine if the cross (and resurrection) are events or stories.
The part that makes the book take on a supernatural feel is that all 40 Scribes have something to say about similar events in a way that enhances the picture rather than blurring the lines.
Take a test ride, I promote that God means the grave is the land of the enemy when it is used in prophecy.
M't:2:16-18:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
Jer:31:15-17:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.
From the 1611KJV Preface.
If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New.
The blue letter bible site lets you compare the original writing if that part is important.
What if the understanding is meant for us if we are the generation that will 'be tested' which means the OT Writers would have been confused by Ge:1 but we can accept it if the end of day 1 is in 4B BC rather than about 10,000 BC. That makes going over the dating and events 'new' and it fits rather well even to 'time as we know it' not existing until about 4M BC. Not many ancient stories cover that one point.
The part that makes the book take on a supernatural feel is that all 40 Scribes have something to say about similar events in a way that enhances the picture rather than blurring the lines.
Take a test ride, I promote that God means the grave is the land of the enemy when it is used in prophecy.
M't:2:16-18:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
Jer:31:15-17:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.
From the 1611KJV Preface.
If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New.
Jews in Jerusalem translated the OT Hebrew into English, that should be professional enough. (that is also in the preface) That doesn't mean they have the right understanding if they do not take the NT to be as authoritative as the OT.
The blue letter bible site lets you compare the original writing if that part is important.
What if the understanding is meant for us if we are the generation that will 'be tested' which means the OT Writers would have been confused by Ge:1 but we can accept it if the end of day 1 is in 4B BC rather than about 10,000 BC. That makes going over the dating and events 'new' and it fits rather well even to 'time as we know it' not existing until about 4M BC. Not many ancient stories cover that one point.
If you start with Hebrew you're already near the end of the history of these myths of natural philosophy which are known to be older than the written word. In addition to that there are numerous accounts of conquistadors encountering Aztecs and others who were familiar with these myths of the Sun Gods. There is a good argument for them having been universal at one time and of great geographic range, similarly pyramids are to be found on every continent.
Or just inquire of the Author : )
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." (John 1:1-2 NIV)
Although God extends His same love to all, there is a dichotomy in the way He is perceived by those who look into His revelation. This polarity is akin to the chasm that lies between the glass half empty and glass half full worldviews.
"My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice" is interpreted in one of two disparate ways: 1) as an exclusive VIP guest list of super saints or 2) as an open invitation to whosoever will. How we receive and respond to these words of Jesus is impacted by the quality of our relationship with Him.
My point was that whoever does the reading and the translating is still guessing about what the original contexts were.
Motar, you have a point in asking the "alleged author", but it is just as unavailable as Zeus or Wodin or any other goddess or god.
Motar, you have a point in asking the "alleged author", but it is just as unavailable as Zeus or Wodin or any other goddess or god.
But neither incites wisdom.
Wisdom is a good word.
one of the things I notice is this propensity for some to speak in riddles. I like Cliffy's posts because he abstains from that habit. Not sure why that is necessary.
one of the things I notice is this propensity for some to speak in riddles. I like Cliffy's posts because he abstains from that habit. Not sure why that is necessary.
Love and knowledge wedded is wisdom.
The Lost Key to the Scriptures
THREE FATEFUL WORDS.
And what are these three words that carry such vital significance? They are "the dead," "death," and "to die." In essence they are the one word--"death."
Ha! I like that. Kind of like chlorine and sodium making salt. Each have a purpose although being a bit noxious, but together they can make something palatable.
You'd enjoy those old books. They are full of meaning gleaned through long application of natural philosophy, once the gems of human thinking, now ignored. None of us can trust biblical scholarship from students who are not well read in the old mystery schools. As for instance none of them grasp the much discussed crucifiction of Christ without the least idea of its true meaning similarly the resurection is also bent out of any semblance to the original message. Even the gist of Christ escapes them.
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If but only a very few have the capacity to comprehend this mystic knowledge, wtf good is it?
That's a valid question. The whole of human cultural expression is built upon the concepts. Even a casual reading of them, such as the link I most recently provided, will enlighten the reader about a broad swath of human tradition and the meanings behind all of the religious practices. They make sence of what is now unsensible error, especially with respect to common Christian practices and thier position in the year. The student goes away with a far fuller understanding of myth and its purpose and utility. Todays religious practice is so far removed from the origins as to be rendered meaningless useless error. We are the dead, the body is the tomb, life on earth is hell, the mount or mound is the planet, your blood is the red sea, many well known texts are written from the perspective of the soul and the cosmos and not the complete human, and so it goes. The virgin birth is particularly interesting. Anyway I won't spoil it for you.