The reason for the revelation

[Ludlow]

yes I read this too,,,umhmm.

 

[AnnaG]

Meh This is just more of selfie's cult's spurious dogma and rhetoric.

 

[Ludlow]

Meh This is just more of selfie's cult's spurious dogma and rhetoric.

him and blackster should enter a long boring post contest.

 

[AnnaG]

They are much alike, I agree.

 

[darkbeaver]

The reason for revealing the following aya:

[Ka'ab son of Ashraf, together with a group of other Jews, said: "Mohammed, if you are a prophet as do you claim, then bring down on us a book from heaven written on some stone tablets, like those which had been brought by Moses; and then we will believe you. Therefore, this aya was revealed:]

{4: 153. The people of the Bible a [: the Jews] demand of you [Mohammed] to bring down upon them a book from heaven [written on the stone tablets b];

[So God replied about their words:]
but they did demand of Moses [aforetime] for [something] greater than this [demand], when they said: "Show to us God conspicuously c "
so the thunderbolt seized them d because of their wrong-doing.
Then they took to themselves the calf [as an idol to worship], even after the clear [miracles] came to them [with Moses e]; yet We pardoned [them concerning] that f, and We gave to Moses an obvious authority [to indicate the truthfulness of his apostle-hood.] g

154. And We made Mount [Sinai] to tower above them because of [the breaking of] their covenant h,

[Then God – be glorified – told about their ignorance and stubbornness in another incident:]
and We said to them:"Enter [by] the gate [of Jericho] 'complying and submissive'!i "

[Then God – be glorified – told about their disobedience in another affair:]
and We said to them: "Transgress not on the Sabbath!" j
and We took from them a binding covenant. k

155. Then [We cursed them] because of their [frequent] breaking of their covenant l,
and their denial of the revelations of God m,
and their slaying the prophets wrongfully n,
and their saying: "Our hearts are surrounded with covers o."
Not so, but God has sealed upon their [hearts] because of their blasphemy p, so that they will not believe [in you, Mohammed] except a few [of them q] –

156. And because of: that they [moreover] disbelieved [in Jesus], and that they uttered against Mary [his mother] a grave calumny r.

157. And [We cursed them because of] their saying [in a way of boasting]: "We slew the Christ, Jesus son of Mary, the apostle of God s."
But they did not slay him in fact, nor did they crucify him; they were only deluded by a similitude t,
and those who differ therein u are full of doubt thereof v, with no [certain] knowledge about the [crucifixion], but they only follow conjecture w; they slew him not for certain x.

158. But God raised his [soul] up to Himself y; and God is All-Mighty z, All-Wise aa.

159. And there shall be none of the people of the Bible [Jews and Christians] but, before he dies, shall believe in the [Christ] bb, and on the Day of Judgment the [Christ] will be witness against them cc.}
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a Lit. "Scripture."
b As did Moses bring before.
c i.e. that they might see Him with their eye-sight.
d Over the mount Hor (El-Tor) and they died.
e Their prophet.
f In order that they might be steadfast with the "exclusive devotion to God alone", they might reform their acts, but they afterwards increased in their stubbornness and arrogance.
g The meaning: Those who demand from you to bring down a written book from heaven, they in fact did not comply to Moses their prophet, even after they saw his miracles; and when he brought them the tablets, they denied him and said: "Who can believe these tablets are from God!?"
Therefore, Mohammed, don't hope for their conversion and believing, and don't believe their words.
h When Moses went to the Mount Sinai to bring the Torah, together with a group of his people; he said to them: "Wait for me here at the base of the mountain, and I will go up and bring to you the Torah."
Afterwards, he returned back to them, holding by his hand two stone tablets on which the Torah was inscribed, then those waiting for him said: "Who will believe this Torah is from God!?"
While they had given him the covenant and pact that they would accept it from him and work according to its instructions; so when they said such words the mountain above them split, and the split-portion was about to fall on them to kill them altogether; but when they saw it, they feared and cried out: "We believe!" Therefore, the split-portion settled in its place and did not fall on them.

This [event] is also mentioned in the Quran 7: 171, which means:
(And [remember] We caused the Mount [Sinai] to tower above them, as if it were a canopy, and they thought it falling upon them.)

i But they did not enter it; they disobeyed, rebelled and said to Moses: " Go you and your Lord and fight [for our behalf!] We, here, are sitting."
j i.e. don't violate the commands which We commanded you with and We forbade you from others; but they transgressed, contradicted the commands of God and started to buy, sell and fish on the Sabbath.
k To obey God, not to disobey Him; and to worship Him alone, not to worship anyone else. But they betrayed their covenants, broke the pacts, worshipped the idols Baalim, Astaroth and others and they disobeyed their Lord's commands; therefore, such were their acts and their shame; so, Mohammed, don't pay attention to their words of demanding the impossibilities from you, and never care about their condition.
l i.e. because of the frequent breaking of their many covenants and the many pacts which We ratified with them.
In fact, almost every book of the Torah Bible includes the ratification of the pact and covenant with them: to ‘the exclusive devotion and worship of God alone’, and to abandon the worship of idols.
m Brought by their prophets and the Christ, in addition to those brought by Mohammed.
n i.e. like Zachariah and John Baptist, without any sin requiring such killing.
o i.e. our hearts are surrounded with covers, so that they do not understand what you, Mohammed, are saying.
p Therefore, they do not understand any admonition.
q Like Abdullah son of Salam and his companions.
r When they accused her with adultery.
s Mocking the word "the apostle of God."
t i.e. God made someone similar to him: a man whom they crucified.
u They were the disciples; they differed about his slaying: some of them said: he was crucified, some said he was not crucified but he escaped from them, and others said: he was crucified, buried then was resurrected from his grave three days later; that is because they saw the Christ alive three days following the incident of the crucifixion, they spoke to him as did he speak to them and he ate some of their food.
v i.e. doubting about his crucifixion.
w i.e. they only follow their imagination.
x But they in fact crucified another man.
y i.e. following the death of Jesus, God raised his ethereal soul to heaven in the neighborhood of God, some period of time after the incident; when he escaped from them, he went to a hill or a high land in Syria, and stayed there worshipping God, and his mother followed him there.
Then later on, he died at his appointed hour of death, and his body was buried on that hill, while his ghost went up to heaven.
The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 23: 50, which means:
(And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign; and [after the incident of the crucifixion] We gave them shelter on a height [in Syria: a place] with small water-springs and a flowing water-stream.)
So God – be glorified – gave them shelter on that height, after they crucified the man who was similar to Jesus in shape.
z In His kingdom: He takes revenge of those Jews who wanted to crucify Jesus.
aa With His acts, none can overcome Him.

The story of the Christ has been mentioned in the Quran 3: 55 and the following ayat.

bb i.e. none of the People of the Bible [: Jews and Christians] may depart from the World, unless he – before his death – believes in Jesus, and that is when his responsibility [about his work and belief] will be removed and his death will be imminent, but his belief will then be useless [: will not be accepted from him.]
God in fact mentioned both Jews and Christians, because all of them follow falsehood: Jews by their denying him and Christians by their enthusiasm about him.
cc i.e. He will give witness against the Jews who did not believe that he was the apostle of God, and against those who wanted to crucify him; and, on the other hand, he will give witness also against Christians that they had enthusiasm about him because they said: he is the son of God and that he is a third in Trinity.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
The Disagreement of the

That's great reading EA but that same story is available four or five thousand years earlier than the time of Mohammed.
The old myth says we are all crucified on the cross of matter, souls are crossed with matter and thus impregnated with spirit, life.
Water is mother light is father. I will reread the Al-Hilly stuff. I think it will be better next time.

They are much alike, I agree.

I disagree, Selfsames stuff is more original than the Britophiles.

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That's exactly as I remember it. The scamble takes nothing away from the originals flow.

 

[selfsame]

[God – be glorified – addressed His messenger, and said:]
{Quran 22: 63. Do you [Mohammed] not see how God sends down [rain] water from the sky, then the earth becomes clothed with green [plant]? a
Surely, God is Compassionate b [and] Most Aware c.}
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a The meaning: Don’t regard unlikely that victory will be for your companions because they are few and the associaters are many, because God will make some means and your companions will increase as does the plant increase and grow with the rain.

b To His servants that are believers.
c About their circumstances.

 

[selfsame]

The reason for revealing the following ayat:

[Huyay son of Akhtab, one of the chiefs and scholars of Jews; he, together with a group of Jews, came to the Prophet – salam to him – and made some discussions with him, then they went out.

And some of the Jews said to their chief Huyay: “What do you say about Mohammed?”

Huyay said: “It is he certainly; it is he!” He meant: he is the prophet whom we are promised with.

The Jew said: “Will you believe in him?”

Huyay said: “We are following the religion of Moses: the religion of monotheism, and we will go to Paradise; therefore, we do not need a new religion.”

Some of them said: Will you not believe in him?”

Huyay said: “If I convert, Jews will follow me and will also convert; for I fear that I might have mistaken about him, and so I will bear the load of sins of these people in addition to my load!”

Another one said: “Will you believe in him while he is one of the Arab?”

Huyay said: “We are the enemies of the Arab, so how shall we believe in a prophet who is one of them?”

Therefore, these ayat were revealed:]

{Quran 53: 33. Have you [Mohammed] considered him who turned away [from believing]?

34. And gives only few [words of the truth] and abstains from telling the rest [of it.] a

35. Has he knowledge of the fore-future, so he can see [that he will be in Paradise]? b

36. Or has he not been informed [in the Quran] of that which is in the Scripture of Moses [his prophet]? c

37. And [of] Abraham who fulfilled [his vow] d ?

38. That no ‘soul laden with sins’ may bear the load of [the sin of] another [soul.] e

39. And that: man can have nothing [in the Next Life] but only [the good and righteous deeds] that he strives for [in the life of the World.] f
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a Therefore, this is the meaning of: (And he gives only few [words of the truth] and abstains from telling the rest [of it.])

b So he said to his companions: “We shall certainly go to Paradise.”

c It means: Has the Quran not told about what is in the Torah, in spite of that the Torah is in Hebrew, and Mohammed is one of the Arab and neither does he know Hebrew, nor does he know reading and writing; isn’t God the One Who has told him about what is in their Torah.
And should he become certain about this, what prevents him then from believing in the Quran and from following the one on whom the Quran was revealed?

d When he presented his son as a sacrifice to be slaughtered in fulfillment of his vow.
The meaning: Haven’t We told him also about what is in the Scripture of Abraham, in which is written:

e So why does he say to his companion: I fear lest I may bear the load of the sin of these Jews if I convert and they may then convert to the Islam religion?
No, no man bears the sin of another man; but he is a liar: he does not fear of the conversion of his people if they convert to the Islam, but he is afraid about his position lest he may lose it if he converts.
This is in the Torah about this subject; it is in the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 24: 16
(Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.)

f The indication of this is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 17: 19, which means:
(And whoso chooses [the prosperity of] the Next [Life] as his priority, and strives for it with the necessary [righteous work, and obeys God’s commands], while being a believer [in God and His messengers]; the striving of such [believers] will be appreciated.)

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.