Well that is because of mismanagement.
Can you define brutal? Are you talking about military discipline? Following orders, doing as you are told and such? What is brutal in your mind?
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Well that is because of mismanagement.
Can you define brutal? Are you talking about military discipline? Following orders, doing as you are told and such? What is brutal in your mind?
Not how the military treats them, but how the gov't does and how we (general population) of them after service.
My dad joined the Navy when he was 17 and I believe if it wasn't for the discipline the navy instilled in him, my childhood would have been horrendous. My dad had some very major issues do to his upbringing. However, he was fortunate. His service was only for a few of years and at that time the conflict in the far east had mostly abated. He was only there for clean up, so what they saw wasn't caused by them and they were helping. If he had been there for the conflict and had been engaged in creating what he saw while cleaning up, I don't think he would have mentally survived.
I actually understand what you're talking about, Twila. And I agree with you to an extent. But several things need to be separated.
Military vs. police - very different scenarios.
Police vs. police - Maybe it's different in Canada, I hope it is, but while it's true, as they say, that "most cops are honest people doing an incredibly dangerous job," that should be "many cops" and the job ain't all that dangerous.
Just as many cops are honest, idealistic young men and women, many really are thugs. Many are people of mediocre intelligence, inferior education, and bad attitudes who get their rocks off pushing people around and having "authority." This attitude is focused and reinforced by their training, which is increasingly militaristic (not military), and emphasizes how the people they encounter are enemies to be dominated, not citizens to be served. They also have complete contempt for Constitutional freedoms, and work hard to find ways around them or through them.
Many, probably most, bad cops weren't turned bad by their experiences. They started out pretty bad, and were turned really bad by their training.
Military vs. police - very different scenarios.
Police vs. police - Maybe it's different in Canada, I hope it is, but while it's true, as they say, that "most cops are honest people doing an incredibly dangerous job," that should be "many cops" and the job ain't all that dangerous.
Just as many cops are honest, idealistic young men and women, many really are thugs. Many are people of mediocre intelligence, inferior education, and bad attitudes who get their rocks off pushing people around and having "authority." This attitude is focused and reinforced by their training, which is increasingly militaristic (not military), and emphasizes how the people they encounter are enemies to be dominated, not citizens to be served. They also have complete contempt for Constitutional freedoms, and work hard to find ways around them or through them.
Many, probably most, bad cops weren't turned bad by their experiences. They started out pretty bad, and were turned really bad by their training.
I think manditory counselling would certainly go a long way to either weeding the undesirables out and helping those that become that way, but don't want to be that way. It would also help the public to feel a little more confident that those who are there to protect us are evaluated regularily and are participating in a mental health program.
There has to be a way to fix the problem, right?
The last US border dude I talked with was pretty bright. He had seen action as a Green Beret recon specialist but he had a degree in archaeology (I have one in anthropology). Mind you, that was at the border at Porthill, ID, so maybe the southern bordere guards are different.
The idiots I have encountered at the border have all been Canadian guards and most of THEM were Francs. They were the ones that turned off any impulse I ever had of venturing over to Kewbeck.
That would depend a large part on the quality of the shrink. What I've seen of them in the school system and the military does not inspire confidence in government employees.
Force used by an officer should be directly proportional to the threat to that officer. A gun is not appropriate for a rock when separated by a fence.
I guess we really need that wall sooner rather than later.
I guess we really need that wall sooner rather than later.
If for no other reason than to protect the Mexican population from northern murderers.
I agree, and the place to start is training. With the backlash against police intimidation and brutality we've been seeing for a couple of years now in the U.S., some departments are emphasizing an approach of "Guardians Not Warriors" in their police training, both initial and ongoing training.
I hope it continues, and I hope it works. We need to replace the "warrior" culture that sadly and outrageously has been pushed for the last 30-40 years. I think it will help a lot if police are trained as I've outlined. After that, I think regular counseling, both by professionals and by the sergeants, is necessary to identify the bad boys and process them out, and to help the good guys avoid slipping into depression and despair on the way to becoming bad cops.
EagleSmack is absolutely right in one way. Simply adding a counseling requirement will not help. We need a change in the culture of police. They need the kind of pride the Marines have. It should be a matter of pride for a cop to say, as Kevin Vickers did, "In my 30 years I never fired my weapon outside of the training range." Cops should be lauded and rewarded for being smart, not tough.
As far as counseling goes, I think you're right about witnessing violence, but what's even more important is that cops spend a lot of their time dealing with the poor, the ill-educated, the hopeless, the disaffected, and the mentally ill. That's what I mean when I say "avoiding slipping into depression and despair." Counseling, both traditional and force-based (by which I mean "cop-to-cop" talks with the training officers and sergeants) can help cops avoid slipping into a "people are scum" attitude. THAT is the birthplace of police brutality.
I know how much they get paid. I was asking if you did, since you are implying that they get paid shyte.
82k after 3 years is not chump change. An inspector makes in around the 120k mark. Plus benefits. Plus, unlike in the real world, if they "do something wrong" they get suspended WITH pay. In the real world if you get suspended, it's without pay and they figure out some way to can your a$$.
looking for some f!cks to give and I've come up empty handed again. oh well, maybe next time, eh azzhat?
RE: Nelson BC city police.
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