Family alleges hospital staff ate potluck lunch as man died by suicide
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It's not about that to me, i have no qualms about anyone genuinely suffering from choosing termination. The difficulty is whether it's a choice. Is it them or the disease talking. Granted you can say that to some degree about any illness, but with mental illness it's literally true that brain function is affected.
Exactly. Not to mention that there's clinical depression as well as situational depression. The latter being finite but it can be as profound as clinical depression, depending on the circumstances.
I don't know. Look I support euthanasia as a choice to end suffering when there's no other hope/options. I can buy severe mental illness as part of that group. But regardless of the illness involved, there has to be a process. A process involving practicality, compassion, knowledge, advice, understanding, etc, where all aspects of the person's life and condition are considered. Like it or not, a condition of mental illness is diminished capacity for thought/reason. A symptom of depression is suicidal thoughts, which is absolutely a catch-22.
As in the case of a living will the directives should be stated when the person is lucid and of sound mind!
Certain people in hospitals like these would be determined to be on "los,,,line of sight. They just simply fvcked up. No excuse for it.
I don't disagree entirely because I can't personally reconcile it at this point either. I am struggling with the ethics and morality of this issue and I believe we each should be. Which is why I took the suicide prevention course run by CMHA. Sure, I'm certified to talk you down until we can get you help but that's it sister. Then you're on your own.
And how sad is that. And why don't more Canadians have this certification. I think every one who is capable of talking and understands dispair and thinks they could handle it, should. It's not like each and every one of us hasn't been touched multiple times by mental illness and suicide.
I get some people simply couldn't, it's a heavy issue. It's only recently becoming a topic people talk about, discuss, give opinions about. Most people are too frightened by the process of suicide to think about it much and I am sensitive to that or I try to be. Every thought most people have is likely wrong unless they approach it from heart. But I have zero patience now for the BS of those with zero understanding who have cavemen comprehension and think suicide is an attention getting behaviour which can be dismissed or ignored.
Do I judge them, yeah I do.
Frankly it baffles me why many people feel they can force another to live when they have zero understanding of mental illness and base it only on their religious beliefs. Yes they have the right to think that way but they should not have the right to force another because of their own fear of their god.
Unfortunatley what you wish to base it upon:
does not yet exist save for a tiny circle of fearless warriors.
I go back to Robin Williams who had fought mental illness all of his life. He just was simply done. I no longer have a problem with that.
There are those too that have chemical imbalances, receptors and transmitters not clicking right like bad plugs and points.
I just don't think they know how to balance these chemicals with the right drugs. Some depression in traumatic situations is normal, just like a measure of euphoria is normal in happy situations. It's when both lean to the extreme where problems occur and who the fvck knows how to prevent or fix that s***" ? No one. It's all guess work. Trial and error. The boy should have been monitored closely and hopefully in time maybe he might have been able to develop some kind of positive outlook in something. I imagine there are as many different reasons for severe depression as there are people that develop it. It's a tough thing to go through and maybe it's a refection of our times.
Absolutely and we should all ensure we have one. I've changed mine twice already because as we know more our decisons regarding self care change.
I don't understand what you are saying here?
Can you clarify?
Thanks
dead on
If a patient is determined by the hospital staff to be a danger to him/her self , they will be put on "LOS". line of sight. that means they will be intensely monitored. At all times. This obviously was not done in this case.
I agree, it wasn't done properly and now he is dead and a lot of people have some hard questions to deal with and some hard adjusting to do depending upon their level of involvement. I think there is a huge difference between someone who is newly diagnosed as suicidal in comparison to someone who has been committed multiple times
at some point, we have to back off and let them make their own decisions but this kid was 20 and hadn't yet had a chance
I don't know how anyone can qualify circumstances. I only wish that someone I cared about deeply had been afforded the time to heal from her emotional pain. She just maybe needed some time to heal. But this thing was unique to her. In her case , backing off would most definitely have not been the answer.
The best drug/chemical treatment combo is sleep, diet and lifestyle. If they got wired into a mindset, it has to be rewired to be correct and Pharm just can't do that.
Monitoring isn't full time. Mostly it's mood monitoring and talking with them for a few minutes before next on the list is attended to.Rubber room then restraint as last ditch.
I don't know if we can qualify circumstances either. But it is a question we must wrestle with.
I only know my system of belief isn't tied to an angry god who judges and condemns so I feel unencumbered by a higher power to follow the rules set down by man with their limited understanding.
mental health is like the final frontier
we don't know much yet, it's in its infancy
the mind/the brain and it's functioning, it's chemical balances and imbalances are relatively new
one thing is for certain, the more we know and the better our understanding the more people can have a quality of existence which they wish to life for
losing those we love in an untimely manner is horrendous whether it be to a mental or physical illness
Seems a little unfair to me that the family lumps all the staff into this by pointing to a staff potluck lunch. Something about that that rubs me the wrong way. If the family wants to go nuclear on the investigation perhaps that can be open to a little family discovery, to see if the family had anything to do with his mental condition, causing him to be there in the first place.
I think we need to value life and a true valuation of life accounts for quality of life. Because of that aspect I can't discount how anyone with a chronic condition (physical or mental impairment) can be worn down and it is conceivable to me that someone can be in a position where they've just had enough. Now what that means exactly is of course going to be dependent upon the situation.
Also, while I can understand the argument, I can't really say for certain that I'd ever truly be in support of actively ending life when there is no terminal diagnosis. Putting a value to life is putting the bar pretty darned high, you'd really need to stack the deck against it to convince me otherwise.
Also, while I can understand the argument, I can't really say for certain that I'd ever truly be in support of actively ending life when there is no terminal diagnosis. Putting a value to life is putting the bar pretty darned high, you'd really need to stack the deck against it to convince me otherwise.