Family alleges hospital staff ate potluck lunch as man died by suicide

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To my way of thinking, if we are able to treat the disease (depression, PTSD, etc) through therapy, medication or some combination and in doing so the desire to end life is abated, that speaks volumes as to how we should treat someone in the throes of depression when they're suicidal.

So live the rest of your life jacked up on meds??

They say everyone at one time or another has thought about committing suicide. Not sure about that.. but.

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So live the rest of your life jacked up on meds??

They say everyone at one time or another has thought about committing suicide. Not sure about that.. but.

Suicide Self-Assessment Scale – How Suicidal Are You? | Bipolar Burble Blog | Natasha Tracy

There are 2 kinds of thinking about it. I've never wanted to kill myself but I have thought about it in a "would I/ could I" sort of way. I thought about it when a friend had killed himself. He used a gun. I wondered why that way and how its not the way I would choose. I'm curious about what the choosen method means or if there is logical rhyme or reason behind the method a specific method is choosen.
 

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So live the rest of your life jacked up on meds??

Maybe, maybe not. But if suicidal thoughts are a symptom of the disease, and the disease is treated and the suicidal thoughts go away, is it right or wrong to intervene in the first place?
 

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He was 20 years old. Legal age. So if he wants to kill himself it is his right and no one should have the right to forcibly stop him. His family is just seeing $$$$signs.
 

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He was 20 years old. Legal age. So if he wants to kill himself it is his right and no one should have the right to forcibly stop him. His family is just seeing $$$$signs.

I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever been through treatment for depression and felt really grateful that they did not succeed in ending their life?

Now I wonder if anyone has any regrets for successfully ending their life for a treatable condition......oh, wait, too late.
 

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There are 2 kinds of thinking about it. I've never wanted to kill myself but I have thought about it in a "would I/ could I" sort of way. I thought about it when a friend had killed himself. He used a gun. I wondered why that way and how its not the way I would choose. I'm curious about what the choosen method means or if there is logical rhyme or reason behind the method a specific method is choosen.
agreed it makes me curious too.... a friend's dad hanged himself, apparently that is a wicked way to go out and for the finders

Hypoxia would be the best. No mess and you go out giddy with a buzz.
agreed a friend's brother did that, until his death I have never heard of it...he was kind enough to leave a note on the door too so his family were prepared and did not enter...

I also think it's miserable to make someone else do it by jumping in front of a train...25 years ago one of my managers drove into another car head first...If someone is going out I think they shouldn't involve others

I wonder if anyone, anywhere has ever been through treatment for depression and felt really grateful that they did not succeed in ending their life?

Now I wonder if anyone has any regrets for successfully ending their life for a treatable condition......oh, wait, too late.
a friend's nephew blew half his face off and lived...he claimed after he was glad that he had lived, but then later still killed himself

Maybe, maybe not. But if suicidal thoughts are a symptom of the disease, and the disease is treated and the suicidal thoughts go away, is it right or wrong to intervene in the first place?
it's right, to a point...then it's their choice

He was 20 years old. Legal age. So if he wants to kill himself it is his right and no one should have the right to forcibly stop him. His family is just seeing $$$$signs.
I agree mostly but I think we do not know what percipitated the depression and he was young...therefore it's worth it to try to dissuade him and help change his mind set...after that I would fully agree with you

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When someone is determined to be finished with life, very little can be done to stop them. I don't believe the conditions of depression are being addressed properly by modern medicine or psychology, either. Those I've known that have ended their life, have done so because they felt unfulfilled for want of something. Be it a relationship, drugs, or status, or a perceived notion of happiness. Yet our culture seems to enjoy condemning underachievers, that is a underlying factor of a high suicide rate.
 

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It's odd that the idea of the physically ill committing suicide is gaining acceptance, but few if any argue the right of the the mentally ill to do the same.
 

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Anybody mention how fuked the economy must be if Doctors and Nurses are having pot-luck?

or maybe they're just hoping to all get food poisoning so they can have a couple of days off.
 

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It's odd that the idea of the physically ill committing suicide is gaining acceptance, but few if any argue the right of the the mentally ill to do the same.

Indeed, the standard of mental competence to make decisions seems tied to the value associated with the decision in question. In other words, society can turn a blind eye to a great deal of mental suffering, but commit a mortal sin and somebody else simply has to be accountable. Maybe nobody is to blame, or has the right to influence so personal a decision.
 

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Indeed, the standard of mental competence to make decisions seems tied to the value associated with the decision in question. In other words, society can turn a blind eye to a great deal of mental suffering, but commit a mortal sin and somebody else simply has to be accountable. Maybe nobody is to blame, or has the right to influence so personal a decision.
I love mortal sins. Especially adultery and blasphemy.
 

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It's odd that the idea of the physically ill committing suicide is gaining acceptance, but few if any argue the right of the the mentally ill to do the same.

But the predominant argument for termination of life in cases of terminal illness is that the patient is of sound mind and utilizing reason to make their decision not to suffer. The lack of same is the cornerstone of mental illness.