Khadr to Harper: Sorry to disappoint you

[BaalsTears]

Omar should never have been imprisoned. Summary execution was the appropriate remedy.

 

[JLM]

Omar should never have been imprisoned. Summary execution was the appropriate remedy.

Yep, shoot 'em now ask questions later! I thought we evolved from that!

 

[gore0bsessed]

Yep, shoot 'em now ask questions later! I thought we evolved from that!

some people haven't evolved past caveman mentality.

 

[Cliffy]

When was war declared in Vietnam ?

Nearly 10 years of bombing and killing in a foreign country is war. Why does it have to be declared to make it anything other than a war? Yanks can do all the contortions they want, but calling Vietnam anything but a war is ludicrous. A rose by any other name...

 

[BaalsTears]

Yep, shoot 'em now ask questions later! I thought we evolved from that!

What questions needed to be asked and answered?

 

[JLM]

Nearly 10 years of bombing and killing in a foreign country is war. Why does it have to be declared to make it anything other than a war? Yanks can do all the contortions they want, but calling Vietnam anything but a war is ludicrous. A rose by any other name...

I know very little about Vietnam, but wasn't Communist aggression behind it? I always thought the Yanks were against Communism. At least McCarthy was.

What questions needed to be asked and answered?

Speaking only for myself - lots. What exactly was his involvement in this alleged killing and wounding? Who else was involved? Who trained him? Was the purpose of the mission adequately explained to him? Did he feel a threat to personal safety? And about 100 other questions depending on his answers to the above.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Speaking only for myself - lots. What exactly was his involvement in this alleged killing and wounding? Who else was involved? Who trained him? Was the purpose of the mission adequately explained to him? Did he feel a threat to personal safety? And about 100 other questions depending on his answers to the above.

I find it hard to believe that all those questions have not already been answered when asked by American interrogators in Cuba. Any answer you get from him now will be a nicely packaged lie telling you exactly what you want to hear.

 

[JLM]

I find it hard to believe that all those questions have not already been answered when asked by American interrogators in Cuba. Any answer you get from him now will be a nicely packaged lie telling you exactly what you want to hear.

I don't put much stock in answers he gave while being water boarded.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I don't put much stock in answers he gave while being water boarded.

I don't put any stock in the answers you get now. If there was any truth to be gotten, it would have been than.

Please note, I do not condone waterboarding or any torture and am not embarking on any type of justification or argument forthwith. But given it was done, I would trust those 'facts' more than what you will get at a press conference. But I am sure he was not 100% truthful even then.

 

[JLM]

So W.T.F. not just wipe the slate clean and start over now and let him prove himself instead of all the animosity and hatred. The past can not be changed and more importantly all the pertinent information can never be gleaned.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

So W.T.F. not just wipe the slate clean and start over now and let him prove himself instead of all the animosity and hatred. The past can not be changed and more importantly all the pertinent information can never be gleaned.

Trust is earned not given freely. Nothing in his past makes him trustworthy,

I don't hate him but don't want to have anything to do with him and I certainly don't want to hold a ticker tape parade for him like you and Cliffy seem to wan to. I also firmly believe that he will return to his old ways.

 

[JLM]

I also firmly believe that he will return to his old ways.

And I have just as strong of a feeling he won't.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

And I have just as strong of a feeling he won't.

Well, my friend, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[JLM]

Well, my friend, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

Probably.

 

[Cliffy]

I know very little about Vietnam, but wasn't Communist aggression behind it? I always thought the Yanks were against Communism. At least McCarthy was.

Um... Vietnam was about protecting American economic interests in Nam. The anti-commie thing was just a ruse. They had to fake an attack of one of their own boats in the Bay of Tomkin to get the American people to agree to escalating involvement.
Basically, the Yanky economy is based on the production of weapons of mass destruction and so The US needs to be in a constant state of war or instigate wars in various places in the world to keep their economy alive. Since most people don't want war, they have to create fear in their population with false flag operations and boogie men for the people to hate through propaganda. Maybe a little over simplified but that is the gist of it.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Just so we are clear. I am not in the "Rah Rah" section of the Khadr Camp. I just do not see him as a visible threat. He has become too high profile, which is to say I doubt he''l be skulking around the Jihadist websites. Secondly, I believe he was a child soldier (or if you prefer child terrorist), but was a child nonetheless, and we should gotten him out of Gitmo long ago. I have changed my original position on this from long ago, I had little empathy for him in the past. Like any kid inducted into a cult, we should have tried to deprogram him. The Khadr's are scumbags, no doubt about it.
The accusations that the PM is racist is stupid, His support of Israel inflames the anti-Semites all over the Muslim community and lets face it. Anti-antisemitism is just another word for racism against Jews .

I'm not on any one side in this. I have an opinion and I am sharing it with all of you, everyone is entitled to theirs and I respect the fact that some don't agree with me. That's cool by me.

 

[tay]

Were you stupid at 15 ?

Stupid?


Khadr may not have been 'stupid' either but the evidence is solid that he was indoctrinated by his equally indoctrinated father in their religious beliefs.


Has he been reformed of those values he has had instilled in him all of his life?


I don't know the answer to that but others have broken the shackles of indoctrination successfully.






Right now, I'm more concerned about bus beheader and cannibal Li being loose......

 

[pgs]

Nearly 10 years of bombing and killing in a foreign country is war. Why does it have to be declared to make it anything other than a war? Yanks can do all the contortions they want, but calling Vietnam anything but a war is ludicrous. A rose by any other name...

Sure but the rules of engagement that the Americans set for themselves due to not declaring war set the stage for the conflict to last ten years .

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Just so we are clear. I am not in the "Rah Rah" section of the Khadr Camp. I just do not see him as a visible threat. He has become too high profile, which is to say I doubt he''l be skulking around the Jihadist websites. Secondly, I believe he was a child soldier (or if you prefer child terrorist), but was a child nonetheless, and we should gotten him out of Gitmo long ago. I have changed my original position on this from long ago, I had little empathy for him in the past. Like any kid inducted into a cult, we should have tried to deprogram him. The Khadr's are scumbags, no doubt about it.
The accusations that the PM is racist is stupid, His support of Israel inflames the anti-Semites all over the Muslim community and lets face it. Anti-antisemitism is just another word for racism against Jews .

I'm not on any one side in this. I have an opinion and I am sharing it with all of you, everyone is entitled to theirs and I respect the fact that some don't agree with me. That's cool by me.

Obviously an extremist rationalist.

 

[pgs]

Um... Vietnam was about protecting American economic interests in Nam. The anti-commie thing was just a ruse. They had to fake an attack of one of their own boats in the Bay of Tomkin to get the American people to agree to escalating involvement.
Basically, the Yanky economy is based on the production of weapons of mass destruction and so The US needs to be in a constant state of war or instigate wars in various places in the world to keep their economy alive. Since most people don't want war, they have to create fear in their population with false flag operations and boogie men for the people to hate through propaganda. Maybe a little over simplified but that is the gist of it.

What economic interests did America have in Vietnam ?