Muslims quiet on Hirsi Ali death threats

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This Dutch MP is being persecuted by Islamists-getting death threats. Correct me if I am wrong but there is no news from so called "moderate" Muslim leaders to denounce these death threats. Saying they are terrible etc. So, as far as I am concerned, all religion is dangerous as it breeds fanatics.

Do moderate Muslims ever denounce extremists? I don't read it in the papers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7030537.stm

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government said on Thursday it would no longer pay for protection abroad for outspoken Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who left for the United States in 2006 saying death threats made her life unbearable.
Somali-born Hirsi Ali, a former Dutch parliamentarian, returned to the Netherlands this week to discuss her security arrangements, sparking a heated debate about whether the Dutch ought to pay for her bodyguards abroad.
 

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US Justice Department Recently Hired American Imam Fouad ElBayly, Who Wanted Ayaan Hirsi Ali Put to Death




An Egyptian-born imam who in 2007 said that Somali-born activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali should receive the death penalty for her criticism of Islam is now a Department of Justice contractor hired to teach classes to Muslims who are in federal prison.
According to federal spending records, Fouad ElBayly, the imam at Islamic Center of Johnstown in Pennsylvania, was contracted by the DOJ’s Bureau of Prisons beginning last year to teach the classes to Muslim inmates at Cumberland Federal Correctional Institution in Cumberland, MD.


The records show that ElBayly has two contracts worth $12,900 to teach the classes and to provide the inmates “leadership and guidance.”


ElBayly first received media attention almost eight years ago, when, as the imam at the Islamic Center of Johnstown, Pennsylvania, he raised hell about a scheduled appearance of Hirsi Ali at the University of Pittsburgh. He called her “poisonous” and wanted her banned from speaking. Then he defended killing apostates like her:



“If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death,” the imam told a local newspaper ahead of her university visit.
He and a co-worker, Mahmood Qazi, also professed not to understand why an ex-believer would be allowed to open her mouth on the topic of religion at all.



After withering publicity, ElBayly announced he’d step down from his Islamic Center post. If he ever did, it was a temporary arrangement; these days, he identifies himself as the center’s imam all over again.
It is unclear how ElBayly, the recent recipient of almost 13 grand in American tax dollars






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“In no other modern religion,” Ali writes, “is dissent still a crime, punishable by death.”






She believed that, according to Islam, the infidel should die, that the Koran is infallible, that those who violated sharia law — thieves, gays, adulterers — deserved to be stoned to death or beheaded, as they were each Friday in a public gathering place she and her brother called “Chop-Chop Square.”


Today, she is that rare thing: a public intellectual who, despite death threats and charges of bigotry, calls for an end to Islam — not just as the faithful know it, but as we in the West think we know it.


“The assumption is that, in Islam, there are a few rotten apples, not the entire basket,” Ali tells The New York Post. “I’m saying it’s the entire basket.”


In her book, Heretic, Ali argues for a complete reformation of Islam, akin to the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. Though her own education led her to reject Islam and declare herself an atheist, she believes that for the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, there must be another way.


“If you are a child brought up to believe that Islam is a source of morality” — as she was, in Africa and Saudi Arabia — “the Muslim framework presents you with the Koran and the hijab. I don’t want to be cruel and say, ‘You grow up and you snap out of it.’ But maybe we who have snapped out of it have not done our best to appeal to those still in it,” she says.


In Heretic, Ali says there are three kinds of Muslims. There are the violent, the reformers, and what she believes is the largest group — those who want to practice as they see fit and live peaceably but do not challenge the Koran, the Muslim world’s treatment of women and the LGBT community, or terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam.


Yet she refuses to label this group as moderate. She believes they have done nothing to deserve it. “I’ve never believed in the word,” Ali says. “It’s totally useless. I think we’re in a time now where we demand answers from Muslims and say, ‘Whose side are you on?’ ”


Ali argues for five amendments to the faith. “Only when these five things are recognised as inherently harmful and when they are repudiated and nullified,” she writes, “will a true Muslim reformation have been achieved.”


Those five notions are:


• The infallibility of the Prophet Mohammed and the literal interpretation of the Koran


• The idea that life after death is more important than life on earth


• Sharia law


• Allowing any Muslim to enforce ideas of right and wrong on another


• Jihad, or holy war


Rejecting these ideas, some of which date to the seventh century, is a shocking proposition to the faithful.


“The biggest obstacle to change within the Muslim world,” Ali writes, “is precisely its suppression of the sort of critical thinking I am attempting here.”


Ali has first-hand experience. In November 2004, after collaborating with the Dutch artist Theo van Gogh on the documentary Submission — which criticised the Muslim world’s abuse of women — van Gogh was shot to death by a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim. The assassin attempted to decapitate him and stabbed him in the chest, leaving a note affixed by the knife. It was a death threat against Ali.


She was forced into seclusion and given a 24-hour security detail. Today, she lives with her husband and young son in the United States yet remains a target.


“In no other modern religion,” Ali writes, “is dissent still a crime, punishable by death.”




Ex-Muslim author and activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali calls for reform of Islam as we know it
 

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US Justice Department Recently Hired American Imam Fouad ElBayly, Who Wanted Ayaan Hirsi Ali Put to Death




An Egyptian-born imam who in 2007 said that Somali-born activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali should receive the death penalty for her criticism of Islam is now a Department of Justice contractor hired to teach classes to Muslims who are in federal prison.
According to federal spending records, Fouad ElBayly, the imam at Islamic Center of Johnstown in Pennsylvania, was contracted by the DOJ’s Bureau of Prisons beginning last year to teach the classes to Muslim inmates at Cumberland Federal Correctional Institution in Cumberland, MD.


The records show that ElBayly has two contracts worth $12,900 to teach the classes and to provide the inmates “leadership and guidance.”


ElBayly first received media attention almost eight years ago, when, as the imam at the Islamic Center of Johnstown, Pennsylvania, he raised hell about a scheduled appearance of Hirsi Ali at the University of Pittsburgh. He called her “poisonous” and wanted her banned from speaking. Then he defended killing apostates like her:


“If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death,” the imam told a local newspaper ahead of her university visit.
He and a co-worker, Mahmood Qazi, also professed not to understand why an ex-believer would be allowed to open her mouth on the topic of religion at all.



After withering publicity, ElBayly announced he’d step down from his Islamic Center post. If he ever did, it was a temporary arrangement; these days, he identifies himself as the center’s imam all over again.
It is unclear how ElBayly, the recent recipient of almost 13 grand in American tax dollars






more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/03/06/justice-department-recently-hired-american-imam-fouad-elbayly-who-wanted-ayaan-hirsi-ali-put-to-death/#ixzz3Ti6o5clz

You know, I am not paranoid enough to believe that Barak Obama is a Muslim mole, seeking to hand the world over to Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood......depending on what day it is.

I think he is simply a complete moron.

However, the question needs to be asked:

If Obama WERE a Muslim mole, seeking to hand the world over to Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood,,,,

What exactly would he be doing differently?

Not much.
 

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You know, I am not paranoid enough to believe that Barak Obama is a Muslim mole, seeking to hand the world over to Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood......depending on what day it is.

I think he is simply a complete moron.

However, the question needs to be asked:

If Obama WERE a Muslim mole, seeking to hand the world over to Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood,,,,

What exactly would he be doing differently?

Not much.

Doesn't make sense considering that Obama fronted the movement to offer amnesty/citizenship to millions of undocumented Latin and Mexican immigrants that were/are in the USA.

If his MO were about 'Islamicizing' America, the last thing he would do is open the doors to a demographic that is overwhelmingly Christian.
 

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Doesn't make sense considering that Obama fronted the movement to offer amnesty/citizenship to millions of undocumented Latin and Mexican immigrants that were/are in the USA.

If his MO were about 'Islamicizing' America, the last thing he would do is open the doors to a demographic that is overwhelmingly Christian.


Not just "Christian", but Catholic.
 

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You know, I am not paranoid enough to believe that Barak Obama is a Muslim mole, seeking to hand the world over to Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood......depending on what day it is.

I think he is simply a complete moron.

However, the question needs to be asked:

If Obama WERE a Muslim mole, seeking to hand the world over to Iran or the Muslim Brotherhood,,,,

What exactly would he be doing differently?

Not much.

Good job of disproving your opening statement with the subsequent paragraph.

The Hawaiian birth certificate is fake!
 

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I can only speak about religion as i can about races that are not white like mine.I am not a believer in any religion and do not accept that man can reveal to man the nature of "god'and what he/she/it wants me to do with my life.
Mainstream religions have created more trouble than they have saved.On the positive side -our extremist western doctrines to my knowledge do not counsel murder for any transgressions. Hirsi Ali ,from reading this thread seems eminently sensible and it would be wise to begin implementing her ideas on Islam.
There is the added fear of racism accusations that may be letting "moderate" Muslims off the hook.My world does not recognize my or any- race,creed or color to be superior to others.
Any reading of scientific genetics and biology quickly ends to me any idea of race superiority.
How ever i can dislike the hell out of different cultures attitudes and practices when or where it makes me feel less free and even threatened.
Canada has been a welcoming country for immigrants who want to move and embrace our culture.Yes we do have a culture and any persons threatening its peace and cohesion should either be barred from our country or deported for not living up to their oath of citizenship.If i can see where western governments have been guilty of terrible policies against other countries-surely anybody who professes truth secular/ religious can see that revenge and extremist religions- like politics- are the road to ruin.
 

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