Andrew Coyne: No need for Tories’ ‘Throw Away the Key Act’

Cannuck

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You don't work or pay taxes so f-ck off.

LOl...it would seem that you are the one that doesn't. That's why you have so little concern for the value received from government expenditures. Most social conservatives don't. That's why they're just like Dippers in my eyes.
 

CDNBear

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LOl...it would seem that you are the one that doesn't. That's why you have so little concern for the value received from government expenditures. Most social conservatives don't. That's why they're just like Dippers in my eyes.
Says the guy living off the gov't teat.
 

petros

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Because you are a lazy lying piece of sh-t makes people who do work liars?

I'd not wish to fund your AISH if in AB. I'd make you work.
 

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well since we can't kill 'em back, some scumbags gotta stay in until they die lonely and unhappy. gonna cost us some money to do that but oh well.



they shalt not rape or kill again.
 

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the reason I picked that example (age) as someone who could possibly be redeemed is because looking back on myself when young, I think the impulse control is low, there is little to no wisdom although they think they know everything, and there is little understanding of the permanent nature of death...

as we age, things change...

I don't think it can be applied to every case but I certainly think there are instances of people who could be released...reality is 25 years which is life and is a long time and people do change

now rape and confinement, that I have a problem with because sexual urges and the need for power I think will always be a problem

also because anyone can kill, you, me, the next door neighbour, things can go off the rails given the right set of circumstances...I would look at the prerequisite for release as needing to conclude that they are unlikely to kill not that they never will

rape, I don't know because in many instances does the victim ever recover, if some is a repeat offender I am leery more so than murder

I do think punishment should be a consideration when determining jail time and, sorry, but if you take someone's life you should be made to pay with your own. (Freedom in this case as I still don't believe in the death penalty.) If someone's violence is so explosive that they take another's life, why should I place any trust in their ability to control it? And since we're talking only of the most heinous offenders anyway, there can be no amount of blind trust placed in them, as far as I'm concerned.

Now I do think we need to do a thousand percent better with prevention, with intervention at young ages. That has the possibility of hope, to my way of thinking. But to take someone young and harden them to the point where taking a life is something they do, I just can't conceive of someone coming back from that. If they do, it's gotta be rare. When that much hate and anger gets ingrained, it goes deep. Plus I think it speaks more to their nature when they commit really violent acts at a young age, particularly to an innocent victim (ie, not a tormentor or bully for example). Like the girl who shoved another off that bridge in BC or the one in Toronto who pushed her boyfriend to kill her "nemesis". That sh1ts ingrained, that's who they are.
 

Cannuck

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Because you are a lazy lying piece of sh-t makes people who do work liars?

I'd not wish to fund your AISH if in AB. I'd make you work.

While I appreciate you needing to make this about me....again...you haven't really explained why you hold no value for the taxpayers purse. You would like us to spend 10's of thousands of dollars a year/per inmate out of spite. I understand you tend to be highly emotional and when the Libs tried to use emotional arguments to support their silly gun registry I was critical of that as well. I think we have the ability to be rational and I think we need to use it.

I wonder if any of the Harper haters understand that this will likely only affect 1000 offenders.

That's even less than the victims of ladders.

...and that's relevant because?

the number of people killed by terrorists in the last 15 years in Canada pales in comparison to the victims of ladders. So what?
 

CDNBear

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While I appreciate you needing to make this about me....
Your building anger noted, and aside, I guess you would appreciate it, since it's your schtick.

I think we have the ability to be rational and I think we need to use it.
Lying isn't really rational, but you do it all the time.

Poor poor hypocritical Cannuck.

...and that's relevant because?
Because it's the Harper haters rational.

It's funny to point out your jello like principles, and lack of consistency.
 

JLM

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life does not mean life in Canada

what is the difference between killing someone in a rage or confining and repeatedly raping them...one is alive technically, I'm not certain how alive that is

Actually Sal, I believe it does. While it may not mean being confined to prison for life it does (usually) mean life in the system with some restraints imposed.........................as it was explained to me.

See and I kind of go the opposite way, thinking that I'm not sure if one can come back from killing at a young age. That's gotta fu*ck someone up for life.

And what does it mean to 'show remorse' anyway? With enough practice anyone can learn to approximate it. I'd be mistrustful.

I still believe a person can be a far different person at age 40 than they were at say age 17. As a person ages I would say their actions are more aligned with their philosophy.
 

CDNBear

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Harper haters like fiscal responsibility? Glad you cleared that up.
Oh oh, you're mad and back to lying about what is said again. Tsk tsk.

FYI, that's why I just love mocking you and pointing out your hypocrisy and lies.
 

petros

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While I appreciate you needing to make this about me....again...you haven't really explained why you hold no value for the taxpayers purse. You would like us to spend 10's of thousands of dollars a year/per inmate out of spite. I understand you tend to be highly emotional and when the Libs tried to use emotional arguments to support their silly gun registry I was critical of that as well. I think we have the ability to be rational and I think we need to use it.



...and that's relevant because?

the number of people killed by terrorists in the last 15 years in Canada pales in comparison to the victims of ladders. So what?

Yes I have no problem spending money to keep someone in a building I'm paying to run in the first place. The cost doesn't change.

If you paid taxes maybe it might be a concern of yours how us taxpayers want to see our money spent.
 

JLM

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Do victims have hope of rising from the dead and regaining the Canadian standard of humane treatment that the murderer took from them?

There's no doubt that should definitely be a prime consideration, while there may be other extenuating circumstances. Like what if I happen to catch the deceased selling dope to my 14 year old grand daughter?
 

Cannuck

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Go ahead, explain how 10 inmates cost sooooooo much more than 9.

Seriously? You can't even grasp a simple concept like the VFF tax credit. I don't think I could commit to the time needed to explain the costs involved in the penal system to you.
 

CDNBear

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I don't think I could commit to the time needed to explain the costs involved in the penal system to you.
Probably not, especially since you refused to explain the VFF tax credit when asked several times to do so.

It all boils down to your lack of integrity, inability to tell the truth and need to make it all about the other members.

Poor poor Cannuck.
 
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